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Post by daymondmyles on Jan 5, 2015 18:54:34 GMT -5
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 5, 2015 20:14:30 GMT -5
Next season, below are the players who will be on the team and the open schollies: 1. Tre Campbell 2. Smith-Rivera 3. LJ Peak 4. Paul White 5. Isaac Copeland 6. Reggie Cameron 7. Marcus Derrickson - Frosh 8. Jessie Govan - Frosh 9. Trey Mourning 10 Hayes
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Given the list above and the three open schollies, if we have a chance to add Agau we should consider ourselves lucky. 6'8. 230 lb top 100 recruit with 1 1/2 years of Major D-1 experience, and 2 1/2 years of eligibility remaining? Why on earth wouldn't we want to add him?
And we can still HOPE to add another guard and another big in the spring.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 5, 2015 20:17:31 GMT -5
Hard to get excited about a 6'8" kid ranked #82 in his class who couldn't break the rotation at Louisville, is transferring to get more playing time and would only be here for a year and a half. If he was 6'10"+ and could play center, that would be one thing. But from what I can tell, next year's Hoyas have a host of young 6'7" - 6'9" combo forward types (White/Copeland/Cameron/Derrickson), not to mention 3 guys that could ostensibly play the 4/5 in Govan/Hayes/Mourning. I recognize that we'll be losing a lot of height, girth and experience when Smith and Hopkins depart. But I don't see how Agau helps us there. If this kid's point in transferring is to go to a place where he'll be featured more than he was at Louisville, then Georgetown's not a good fit. If his desire is to get a great education and he's willing to be a backup for 1.5 years, then I'm all for adding him. I just don't see the fit, and I certainly don't see anything in his history or highlight films that would suggest he'd be an 8 and 6 guy right away, playing over others his size that are more talented and/or have more time in JT3's system. None of the guys mentioned have the type of dedication to rebounding and defending that Akoy Possesses. He would have 2 1/2 years left, left mid semester Soph season.. Derrickson is ranked lower than Akoy out of HS and will be a Freshman. Hard to bring up Akoys ranking and then talk about Derrickson (I love Marcus btw) White and Copeland are going to play regardless and can play 2-4 easily. Cameron is a SF who hasn’t shown much at all and has a totally different skill set than Akoy. All of the guys you mentioned at Center are unproven. Mourning isn’t a Center and wasn’t even a top 200 kid. Govan is a Freshman and Hayes hasn’t shown much of anything in his 3 years only difference is he wasn’t playing behind a Lotto Pick in Montrezl Harrell, he was playing behind Hopkins for most of it We lose 4 rotation players this year 3 of which are well over 20 min a game and a 4th barely under. That’s over 80min up for grabs, lots of minutes available for a kid that’s willing to get his nose dirty Hopefully we find out about 8-6 I don’t see it as much of a stretch Hop gives you 4 and 6. Kid is a better offensive player than Hop would you agree or nah? Well, it would be pretty difficult to be a worse offensive player than Hopkins, I'll grant you that. If we happen to sign him, I'll take the "under" on 8 and on 6 next season and we'll have the winning bet go to the charity of the poster's choice. I'd be thrilled with 6 and 3 based on his relatively unimpressive highlight videos (looks slow and without much lift) and the fact that he's coming off an injury. Look, I'm with the other posters. If this is a depth signing and the kid is willing to play as an undersized backup center for 10-20 minutes per game, great. However, it seems pretty clear that he left Louisville due to playing time issues. The Hoyas' frontcourt while Agau would be here appears stronger than Louisville's. While 80 minutes frees up next year, I see a very large portion of those minutes (50 at least) going to White and Copeland. I'll be shocked if Govan doesn't play at least 20 minutes a game. That doesn't even take into account minutes that could go to Cameron, Derrickson, Hayes and Mourning. My view is White and Copeland need to play the lion's share of the 3/4 minutes next season and likely the one after that. If Agau is looking for playing time, which it appears he is, I don't see how Georgetown is a good fit for him. Again, unless he's willing to be an undersized backup center.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 5, 2015 20:51:20 GMT -5
Next season, below are the players who will be on the team and the open schollies: 1. Tre Campbell 2. Smith-Rivera 3. LJ Peak 4. Paul White 5. Isaac Copeland 6. Reggie Cameron 7. Marcus Derrickson - Frosh 8. Jessie Govan - Frosh 9. Trey Mourning 10 Hayes 3 Open Schollies Given the list above and the three open schollies, if we have a chance to add Agau we should consider ourselves lucky. 6'8. 230 lb top 100 recruit with 1 1/2 years of Major D-1 experience, and 2 1/2 years of eligibility remaining? Why on earth wouldn't we want to add him? And we can still HOPE to add another guard and another big in the spring. I'm all for taking Agua as well but he really doesn't have 1 1/2 years of D1 experience though.. He barely played in blowouts and definitely didn't see any meaningful minutes @ L'ville.. If he had Egbunu's resume I'd agree with you or maybe a resume like the Obi kid who left Rice for Duke or Rodriguez & MClellan @ Miami.. Those are types of transfers to get excited about, they performed well at former schools but decided to leave for whatever reason.. Agua left because he got over recruited or outperformed by similarly rated kids, not a good look imo..
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Post by jld on Jan 5, 2015 21:48:16 GMT -5
People on this board act like this program is like KU, Duke or Ky. A top 100 kid who Pitino thought enough to sign is good enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 21:53:27 GMT -5
I think you take him b/c this is about as good as you're going to do before next year begins. Late blooming senior or graduate transfer? Could happen, but this would be a bird in hand. We're at a point where we really just need a warm body in the middle. Hayes & Govan may give us a combined 15, 25, or 35 min/g. Nobody knows. (Probably not 35 ) Mourning, Marcus, smaller lineups?? In a pinch, maybe, but I'd rather not go into the season having to rely on them every game. Agau's recent CV isn't great, but if you're gonna take a flyer on a rotation center... you could do a lot worse than a former top 100 kid who's got a couple of years playing against high D-1 talent (even if only in practice) and will be 21 by the time he plays his 1st game at GU. Our center spot is going to be the 5th best guy out on the court for us next year anyway - it just can't be missing. What's our play if we don't get him? Also - as noted above, we've still got a few spots open so this isn't necessarily a one or the other situation. And if it doesn't work out... well, somebody's got to be the 13th man at the end of the bench.
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Post by wnyhoya on Jan 5, 2015 22:35:53 GMT -5
According to Jeff Borzello he's visiting Nebraska again tomorrow with a decision impending. Doesn't sound good for us
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 5, 2015 22:41:55 GMT -5
Maybe he just wants to ask Moses about playing basketball at Georgetown.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 1:56:50 GMT -5
None of the guys mentioned have the type of dedication to rebounding and defending that Akoy Possesses. He would have 2 1/2 years left, left mid semester Soph season.. Derrickson is ranked lower than Akoy out of HS and will be a Freshman. Hard to bring up Akoys ranking and then talk about Derrickson (I love Marcus btw) White and Copeland are going to play regardless and can play 2-4 easily. Cameron is a SF who hasn’t shown much at all and has a totally different skill set than Akoy. All of the guys you mentioned at Center are unproven. Mourning isn’t a Center and wasn’t even a top 200 kid. Govan is a Freshman and Hayes hasn’t shown much of anything in his 3 years only difference is he wasn’t playing behind a Lotto Pick in Montrezl Harrell, he was playing behind Hopkins for most of it We lose 4 rotation players this year 3 of which are well over 20 min a game and a 4th barely under. That’s over 80min up for grabs, lots of minutes available for a kid that’s willing to get his nose dirty Hopefully we find out about 8-6 I don’t see it as much of a stretch Hop gives you 4 and 6. Kid is a better offensive player than Hop would you agree or nah? Well, it would be pretty difficult to be a worse offensive player than Hopkins, I'll grant you that. If we happen to sign him, I'll take the "under" on 8 and on 6 next season and we'll have the winning bet go to the charity of the poster's choice. I'd be thrilled with 6 and 3 based on his relatively unimpressive highlight videos (looks slow and without much lift) and the fact that he's coming off an injury. Look, I'm with the other posters. If this is a depth signing and the kid is willing to play as an undersized backup center for 10-20 minutes per game, great. However, it seems pretty clear that he left Louisville due to playing time issues. The Hoyas' frontcourt while Agau would be here appears stronger than Louisville's. While 80 minutes frees up next year, I see a very large portion of those minutes (50 at least) going to White and Copeland. I'll be shocked if Govan doesn't play at least 20 minutes a game. That doesn't even take into account minutes that could go to Cameron, Derrickson, Hayes and Mourning. My view is White and Copeland need to play the lion's share of the 3/4 minutes next season and likely the one after that. If Agau is looking for playing time, which it appears he is, I don't see how Georgetown is a good fit for him. Again, unless he's willing to be an undersized backup center. I think you’re forgetting that you have to add those minutes to what they already play. It’s physically impossible for Ike and Paul to take up 50 of those minutes. If they did Ike would be at 40min per game and Paul on his way to 50. Even if you have the current Freshman class eat up 40 of those minutes they would all be at around 30 a game. Not going to happen especially with DSR most likely playing 30 as well. 3 like most coaches sn’t going to play 5 guys 30 min a game unless he absolutely has too. Out of the players mentioned Ike is the only guy that’s clearly a Superior athlete to Akoy.You have Jessie, Paul, Reggie, Cam, Marcus, and Brad unless you see something I don’t I would call all those guys average athletes and would argue Akoy is at least on par with or better than them athletically. Plenty of players for whatever reason can’t get on the court at other universities. Beni and Vee ended up good players after playing limited minutes here. Luke Fisher couldn’t get off the bench for a NIT bound Indiana team.. IMO he’s not just some guy, so if Posters are claiming that I disagree. Team guy and he fills a direct need. He would see a lot of minutes here, and I would love to have him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 2:00:06 GMT -5
According to Jeff Borzello he's visiting Nebraska again tomorrow with a decision impending. Doesn't sound good for us Official Visit to Nebraska was Scheduled last week...
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 6, 2015 10:47:48 GMT -5
Well, it would be pretty difficult to be a worse offensive player than Hopkins, I'll grant you that. If we happen to sign him, I'll take the "under" on 8 and on 6 next season and we'll have the winning bet go to the charity of the poster's choice. I'd be thrilled with 6 and 3 based on his relatively unimpressive highlight videos (looks slow and without much lift) and the fact that he's coming off an injury. Look, I'm with the other posters. If this is a depth signing and the kid is willing to play as an undersized backup center for 10-20 minutes per game, great. However, it seems pretty clear that he left Louisville due to playing time issues. The Hoyas' frontcourt while Agau would be here appears stronger than Louisville's. While 80 minutes frees up next year, I see a very large portion of those minutes (50 at least) going to White and Copeland. I'll be shocked if Govan doesn't play at least 20 minutes a game. That doesn't even take into account minutes that could go to Cameron, Derrickson, Hayes and Mourning. My view is White and Copeland need to play the lion's share of the 3/4 minutes next season and likely the one after that. If Agau is looking for playing time, which it appears he is, I don't see how Georgetown is a good fit for him. Again, unless he's willing to be an undersized backup center. I think you’re forgetting that you have to add those minutes to what they already play. It’s physically impossible for Ike and Paul to take up 50 of those minutes. If they did Ike would be at 40min per game and Paul on his way to 50. Even if you have the current Freshman class eat up 40 of those minutes they would all be at around 30 a game. Not going to happen especially with DSR most likely playing 30 as well. 3 like most coaches sn’t going to play 5 guys 30 min a game unless he absolutely has too. Out of the players mentioned Ike is the only guy that’s clearly a Superior athlete to Akoy.You have Jessie, Paul, Reggie, Cam, Marcus, and Brad unless you see something I don’t I would call all those guys average athletes and would argue Akoy is at least on par with or better than them athletically. Plenty of players for whatever reason can’t get on the court at other universities. Beni and Vee ended up good players after playing limited minutes here. Luke Fisher couldn’t get off the bench for a NIT bound Indiana team.. IMO he’s not just some guy, so if Posters are claiming that I disagree. Team guy and he fills a direct need. He would see a lot of minutes here, and I would love to have him OK, I thought you meant the 4 seniors departing the team this year will open up ~80 minutes. According to GUHoyas.com, the 4 seniors currently account for the following minutes played this year: Jabril Trawick: 25.5 Mikael Hopkins: 22.6 Joshua Smith: 22.0 Aaron Bowen: 17.3 That adds up to 87.4 minutes that will be available next year just by taking the 4 seniors off the roster. Back of the envelope, I'd guess the following for minutes WITHOUT Agau on the team next season: 1 position: DSR (23 minutes), Campbell (17 minutes) 2 position: Peak (30 minutes), DSR (10 minutes) 3 position: White (30 minutes), Cameron (8 minutes), Peak (2 minutes) 4 position: Copeland (28 minutes), Derrickson (12 minutes) 5 position: Govan (24 minutes), Hayes (12 minutes), Mourning (4 minutes) There are obviously some assumptions built into the model above (no departures) and there are clearly some minutes here and there that Agau could gather ahead of some guys (Derrickson's at the 4 and Govan's/Hayes's/Mourning's at the 5). However, I don't see where Agau, someone that has never put up big offensive numbers going back to high school, is going to find enough playing time to generate 8 points and 6 rebounds next season. That seems extremely far-fetched unless guys we're expecting to play big minutes next year (specifically Peak, White, Copeland) aren't back for some reason, or Agau plays heavy minutes as a very undersized center (which I perceive as unlikely given the presence of Govan and Hayes on the roster and JT3's penchant for giving minutes to true 5s with size).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 11:05:21 GMT -5
I think you’re forgetting that you have to add those minutes to what they already play. It’s physically impossible for Ike and Paul to take up 50 of those minutes. If they did Ike would be at 40min per game and Paul on his way to 50. Even if you have the current Freshman class eat up 40 of those minutes they would all be at around 30 a game. Not going to happen especially with DSR most likely playing 30 as well. 3 like most coaches sn’t going to play 5 guys 30 min a game unless he absolutely has too. Out of the players mentioned Ike is the only guy that’s clearly a Superior athlete to Akoy.You have Jessie, Paul, Reggie, Cam, Marcus, and Brad unless you see something I don’t I would call all those guys average athletes and would argue Akoy is at least on par with or better than them athletically. Plenty of players for whatever reason can’t get on the court at other universities. Beni and Vee ended up good players after playing limited minutes here. Luke Fisher couldn’t get off the bench for a NIT bound Indiana team.. IMO he’s not just some guy, so if Posters are claiming that I disagree. Team guy and he fills a direct need. He would see a lot of minutes here, and I would love to have him OK, I thought you meant the 4 seniors departing the team this year will open up ~80 minutes. According to GUHoyas.com, the 4 seniors currently account for the following minutes played this year: Jabril Trawick: 25.5 Mikael Hopkins: 22.6 Joshua Smith: 22.0 Aaron Bowen: 17.3 That adds up to 87.4 minutes that will be available next year just by taking the 4 seniors off the roster. Back of the envelope, I'd guess the following for minutes WITHOUT Agau on the team next season: 1 position: DSR (23 minutes), Campbell (17 minutes) 2 position: Peak (30 minutes), DSR (10 minutes) 3 position: White (30 minutes), Cameron (8 minutes), Peak (2 minutes) 4 position: Copeland (28 minutes), Derrickson (12 minutes) 5 position: Govan (24 minutes), Hayes (12 minutes), Mourning (4 minutes) There are obviously some assumptions built into the model above (no departures) and there are clearly some minutes here and there that Agau could gather ahead of some guys (Derrickson's at the 4 and Govan's/Hayes's/Mourning's at the 5). However, I don't see where Agau, someone that has never put up big offensive numbers going back to high school, is going to find enough playing time to generate 8 points and 6 rebounds next season. That seems extremely far-fetched unless guys we're expecting to play big minutes next year (specifically Peak, White, Copeland) aren't back for some reason, or Agau plays heavy minutes as a very undersized center (which I perceive as unlikely given the presence of Govan and Hayes on the roster and JT3's penchant for giving minutes to true 5s with size). I mean the funny thing is guys like Reggie, Hayes and Mourning can’t get on the floor here yet you think you can count on them for production… As I said before 20-25 min and 8 and 6 Right now your 7th man will be 1 of Cam, Hayes, Marcus or Mourning. I’f you’re comfy with that than ok but I don’t see that as a recipe for success.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 6, 2015 11:10:50 GMT -5
OK, I thought you meant the 4 seniors departing the team this year will open up ~80 minutes. According to GUHoyas.com, the 4 seniors currently account for the following minutes played this year: Jabril Trawick: 25.5 Mikael Hopkins: 22.6 Joshua Smith: 22.0 Aaron Bowen: 17.3 That adds up to 87.4 minutes that will be available next year just by taking the 4 seniors off the roster. Back of the envelope, I'd guess the following for minutes WITHOUT Agau on the team next season: 1 position: DSR (23 minutes), Campbell (17 minutes) 2 position: Peak (30 minutes), DSR (10 minutes) 3 position: White (30 minutes), Cameron (8 minutes), Peak (2 minutes) 4 position: Copeland (28 minutes), Derrickson (12 minutes) 5 position: Govan (24 minutes), Hayes (12 minutes), Mourning (4 minutes) There are obviously some assumptions built into the model above (no departures) and there are clearly some minutes here and there that Agau could gather ahead of some guys (Derrickson's at the 4 and Govan's/Hayes's/Mourning's at the 5). However, I don't see where Agau, someone that has never put up big offensive numbers going back to high school, is going to find enough playing time to generate 8 points and 6 rebounds next season. That seems extremely far-fetched unless guys we're expecting to play big minutes next year (specifically Peak, White, Copeland) aren't back for some reason, or Agau plays heavy minutes as a very undersized center (which I perceive as unlikely given the presence of Govan and Hayes on the roster and JT3's penchant for giving minutes to true 5s with size). I mean the funny thing is guys like Reggie, Hayes and Mourning can’t get on the floor here yet you think you can count on them for production… As I said before 20-25 min and 8 and 6 Right now your 7th man will be 1 of Cam, Hayes, Marcus or Mourning. I’m not sure why you would want that but ok. Agree to disagree I don't think we're disagreeing all that much. If Agau wants to come here and be the 7th man, playing some of his minutes as an undersized center, great, I'm all for it. I don't understand why he'd want to do that given the publicly stated reason of his leaving Louisville for more playing time. I worry that he'd be a risk to team chemistry if he'd come here and expect to get a lot of minutes as a forward. 8 and 6 seems a completely unreasonable expectation for a 7th man (this year's 7th man, Aaron Bowen, gets 17 minutes a game), particularly since Agau lit up the Omaha high school basketball scene to the tune of 12.8 points and 6.1 rebounds a game his senior season.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 6, 2015 11:13:52 GMT -5
Hoyaboya, you've got 52 minutes at the 4/5 allocated to guys who haven't played college ball and who haven't really gotten off the bench at those positions for a worse team than Louisville (that'd be the Hoyas so far).
How can you be simultaneously so confident in Hayes, Mourning and the freshmen and not confident at all in Agau?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 6, 2015 11:23:45 GMT -5
I mean the funny thing is guys like Reggie, Hayes and Mourning can’t get on the floor here yet you think you can count on them for production… As I said before 20-25 min and 8 and 6 Right now your 7th man will be 1 of Cam, Hayes, Marcus or Mourning. I’m not sure why you would want that but ok. Agree to disagree I don't think we're disagreeing all that much. If Agau wants to come here and be the 7th man, playing some of his minutes as an undersized center, great, I'm all for it. I don't understand why he'd want to do that given the publicly stated reason of his leaving Louisville for more playing time. I worry that he'd be a risk to team chemistry if he'd come here and expect to get a lot of minutes as a forward. 8 and 6 seems a completely unreasonable expectation for a 7th man (this year's 7th man, Aaron Bowen, gets 17 minutes a game), particularly since Agau lit up the Omaha high school basketball scene to the tune of 12.8 points and 6.1 rebounds a game his senior season. Yes Aaron is the 7th man and is averaging 7.9 pts per game so expecting 8pts a game from the 7th man doesn't seem unreasonable at all considering that's exactly what our 7th man is averaging.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 6, 2015 11:26:05 GMT -5
Hoyaboya, you've got 52 minutes at the 4/5 allocated to guys who haven't played college ball and who haven't really gotten off the bench at those positions for a worse team than Louisville (that'd be the Hoyas so far). How can you be simultaneously so confident in Hayes, Mourning and the freshmen and not confident at all in Agau? I'm not necessarily confident in Hayes and Mourning (though I do think, in limited time on the floor, Hayes has shown that he deserves more PT than he gets simply because his size can cause opponents some trouble). Mourning we know nothing about other than he probably wouldn't be on the team were it not for his dad. I've assigned 4 minutes to him and I think if Agau were to come, he would definitely play ahead of Mourning and likely Hayes. However, does Agau really want to come to Georgetown to play the 5 position at 6'8", 230 pounds? I've seen people in this thread compare him to Jeff Green and if that's the kind of role he's looking for, I don't think he's going to find it with White and Copeland ahead of him. Derrickson has played top-level competition at the high school level and shown himself to be a solid prospect with the ability to stretch defenses and rebound, I don't think 12 minutes next year is an unreasonable expectation for him. Govan is a stud that has produced against strong competition and has the size to play right away. As I said in a previous thread, I'll be stunned if he doesn't play 20 minutes per game next year. The reason I'm not sold on Agau is because he wasn't ranked very highly in his high school class to start with, he averaged 12 and 6 against terrible competition in Omaha, couldn't get off the bench at Louisville and was pretty clearly recruited over/pushed out by Pitino who appears thrilled to have the open scholarship, is coming off an injury which may limit his already limited athleticism, has the size of a forward which is the least of this team's needs, and claims to be transferring so he can get more playing time. If he's willing to play the 5 and not expect more than 20 minutes a game, I love him as a depth signing. If he thinks he's coming here to be the next Jeff Green and expects to play 30 minutes a game putting up 8 and 6 a night, I don't see it...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 11:27:07 GMT -5
I mean the funny thing is guys like Reggie, Hayes and Mourning can’t get on the floor here yet you think you can count on them for production… As I said before 20-25 min and 8 and 6 Right now your 7th man will be 1 of Cam, Hayes, Marcus or Mourning. I’m not sure why you would want that but ok. Agree to disagree I don't think we're disagreeing all that much. If Agau wants to come here and be the 7th man, playing some of his minutes as an undersized center, great, I'm all for it. I don't understand why he'd want to do that given the publicly stated reason of his leaving Louisville for more playing time. I worry that he'd be a risk to team chemistry if he'd come here and expect to get a lot of minutes as a forward. 8 and 6 seems a completely unreasonable expectation for a 7th man (this year's 7th man, Aaron Bowen, gets 17 minutes a game), particularly since Agau lit up the Omaha high school basketball scene to the tune of 12.8 points and 6.1 rebounds a game his senior season. I’m not saying he’s a 7th man…I’m pointing out the current state of the roster. BTW you do realize in 17 min AB puts up 8 and 2 and nobody is going to call AB a skilled offensive player, he’s an effort guy . His team was loaded, they beat Oak Hill his Senior year. Marcus averages less for Brewster. Tre averaged less for St Johns. He averaged 17 and 7 in EYBL (Short Stint) and by the time he plays for us HS would have been 3 years ago.. Time didn’t stand still, he has been developing wether we’ve been able to see it or not. Rick Pitino in late July/early August called him “The Biggest Surprise of the Summer” Then he got hurt and missed 2 months. IMO You are completely underselling what he brings and overselling the current guys on the roster. Plus undervaluing the role Physical Maturity plays. There’s a big difference between a 21 yr old player who will have been in a College level strength and Conditioning program for 3 years and a 18/19 year old Frosh that has not. @jonrothstein: Rick Pitino said the biggest surprise so far this summer for Louisville has been the 6-8 F Akoy Agau. Pitino said guards Terry Rozier and Anton Gill and star power forward Montrezl Harrell are all "in awesome shape." He said backup power forward Akoy Agau "looks terrific" and shows the "big difference" between freshmen and sophomores.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 6, 2015 11:31:09 GMT -5
I don't think we're disagreeing all that much. If Agau wants to come here and be the 7th man, playing some of his minutes as an undersized center, great, I'm all for it. I don't understand why he'd want to do that given the publicly stated reason of his leaving Louisville for more playing time. I worry that he'd be a risk to team chemistry if he'd come here and expect to get a lot of minutes as a forward. 8 and 6 seems a completely unreasonable expectation for a 7th man (this year's 7th man, Aaron Bowen, gets 17 minutes a game), particularly since Agau lit up the Omaha high school basketball scene to the tune of 12.8 points and 6.1 rebounds a game his senior season. Yes Aaron is the 7th man and is averaging 7.9 pts per game so expecting 8pts a game from the 7th man doesn't seem unreasonable at all considering that's exactly what our 7th man is averaging. Yep, Aaron also averaged 17 points a game in high school against much stronger competition than Agau played in Omaha where he averaged 12 points a game. There's nothing in Agau's history or film that would suggest he'd average 8 points a game in 17 minutes a night. YaBoy does an awesome job of posting highlight films on this site. I'd encourage people to watch Agau's highlights to see firsthand what he looked like in high school (since there isn't really film of his 1.5 seasons at Louisville where he didn't get off the bench).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 11:35:05 GMT -5
Agau isn't coming in and getting anywhere near 8/6.
Look at the recent history of our 1st year big men. Almost none had anywhere near the type of production (or minutes) you guys are talking about, except for Greg and Jeff -- who were more thoroughbreds than bangers (and also happened to be high 1st round draft picks). See Roy, Julian, Henry, Nate, Hop, PEJr even.
Hell, even Dajuan (9/4) and Otto (9.7/6.8) barely navigated around those numbers and they were 5-star guys, more 3/4 than 4/5, superior athletes, offensive talents, and future NBA-ers.
JT3 is going to have a hard time swallowing major minutes from a green Center, be it Govan or Agau. They won't be "7th or 8th" guys in our lineup, as much as they will have their own little rotation at the 5 spot -- along w/ Hayes.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 6, 2015 11:40:09 GMT -5
I don't think we're disagreeing all that much. If Agau wants to come here and be the 7th man, playing some of his minutes as an undersized center, great, I'm all for it. I don't understand why he'd want to do that given the publicly stated reason of his leaving Louisville for more playing time. I worry that he'd be a risk to team chemistry if he'd come here and expect to get a lot of minutes as a forward. 8 and 6 seems a completely unreasonable expectation for a 7th man (this year's 7th man, Aaron Bowen, gets 17 minutes a game), particularly since Agau lit up the Omaha high school basketball scene to the tune of 12.8 points and 6.1 rebounds a game his senior season. I’m not saying he’s a 7th man…I’m pointing out the current state of the roster. BTW you do realize in 17 min AB puts up 8 and 2 and nobody is going to call AB a skilled offensive player, he’s an effort guy . His team was loaded, they beat Oak Hill his Senior year. Marcus averages less for Brewster. Tre averaged less for St Johns. He averaged 17 and 7 in EYBL (Short Stint) and by the time he plays for us HS would have been 3 years ago.. Time didn’t stand still, he has been developing wether we’ve been able to see it or not. Rick Pitino in late July/early August called him “The Biggest Surprise of the Summer” Then he got hurt and missed 2 months. IMO You are completely underselling what he brings and overselling the current guys on the roster. Plus undervaluing the role Physical Maturity plays. There’s a big difference between a 21 yr old player who will have been in a College level strength and Conditioning program for 3 years and a 18/19 year old Frosh that has not. @jonrothstein: Rick Pitino said the biggest surprise so far this summer for Louisville has been the 6-8 F Akoy Agau. Pitino said guards Terry Rozier and Anton Gill and star power forward Montrezl Harrell are all "in awesome shape." He said backup power forward Akoy Agau "looks terrific" and shows the "big difference" between freshmen and sophomores. YaBoy, I love you as a poster, man, but you know you're comparing apples to oranges when you bring up Derrickson's and Campbell's high school stats. Marcus plays for a freaking all star team at Brewster where individual minutes are limited, if he was playing for some podunk school in Omaha, he'd be averaging 20+ easy. Re: Tre, are you claiming he's going to average 8 points a game next year as a backup? That's obviously not his role... You're high on Agau, I get it, cool. I agree that physical development means something and is an advantage he'd have over people like Derrickson and Mourning. I think Agau can get 20 mpg next year if he comes here, playing mostly at the 5 position - if that's what Agau wants to do and if JT3 plays an undersized 5 which he hasn't seemed very willing to do in the past. Even if he gets 20 minutes, I'm still taking the under on both the 8 and 6 prediction. I'd love to add him as a depth guy, but really hope he's not being sold on a lot of minutes at the forward positions being available, as that doesn't appear accurate and could lead to chemistry issues...
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