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Post by jgalt on Apr 25, 2012 13:22:57 GMT -5
The conventional wisdom is also that MedStar is not fond of the GU Hospital site, Russkym what is the current financial relationship between MedStar and the hospital and GU? If there was an opportunity to move the hospital is it MedStar who pays or GU? Or is there a split? Also is the formatting on this thread messed up for anyone else? All my text extends out of the window. Anyone else?
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Post by kchoya on Apr 25, 2012 14:16:42 GMT -5
The conventional wisdom is also that MedStar is not fond of the GU Hospital site, Russkym what is the current financial relationship between MedStar and the hospital and GU? If there was an opportunity to move the hospital is it MedStar who pays or GU? Or is there a split? Also is the formatting on this thread messed up for anyone else? All my text extends out of the window. Anyone else? His fault: My thoughts exactly, which is why I asked above whether it's conceivable that the Med Center could move to a site like this in the distant future. Combined, the hospital, medical school, and Kehoe/Yates make up over 1/3 of the school's campus (by my eyeball estimate): bit.ly/IEXExb
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 25, 2012 21:52:32 GMT -5
The conventional wisdom is also that MedStar is not fond of the GU Hospital site, Russkym what is the current financial relationship between MedStar and the hospital and GU? If there was an opportunity to move the hospital is it MedStar who pays or GU? Or is there a split? The details are beyond my grasp, and I've never taken the time to dig into it, but the way it's always been explained to me is that Georgetown remains the ultimate owner of the property, but MedStar is the operator and runs everything. This is with regard to the hospital, not the Medical School, which remains University-operated. So, for instance, the hospital has to file a campus plan, because it is University property, but it's MedStar doing everything, and it is separate from the University's. If there was a move, then presumably there would be a split arrangement. MedStar does value the Georgetown University name brand, the med student labor, and the research dollars. I'm sure they would prefer to keep it a teaching hospital, with the various benefits that entails.
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Post by jgalt on Apr 25, 2012 23:28:17 GMT -5
Russkym what is the current financial relationship between MedStar and the hospital and GU? If there was an opportunity to move the hospital is it MedStar who pays or GU? Or is there a split? The details are beyond my grasp, and I've never taken the time to dig into it, but the way it's always been explained to me is that Georgetown remains the ultimate owner of the property, but MedStar is the operator and runs everything. This is with regard to the hospital, not the Medical School, which remains University-operated. So, for instance, the hospital has to file a campus plan, because it is University property, but it's MedStar doing everything, and it is separate from the University's. If there was a move, then presumably there would be a split arrangement. MedStar does value the Georgetown University name brand, the med student labor, and the research dollars. I'm sure they would prefer to keep it a teaching hospital, with the various benefits that entails. Thanks.
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Post by CWS on Apr 30, 2012 8:03:06 GMT -5
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Apr 30, 2012 8:28:00 GMT -5
Wow, thats truly interesting and really makes a lot of sense for the school.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 30, 2012 12:34:58 GMT -5
Wow, thats truly interesting and really makes a lot of sense for the school. Agreed, a friend and I have been lamenting since freshman year at Gtown how much of a waste that "air space" above 395 was. Saw last year that they were working on developing it and that Georgetown could be a possible tenant. I really hope we don't let this one slip away. That location has easy access from VA and anywhere else that can get to 395. Finally, does anyone think that we would move the law school? Do we own the campus downtown or are we renting? Also, how would a med school without a hospital nearby work?
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Post by kchoya on Apr 30, 2012 15:57:54 GMT -5
Wow, thats truly interesting and really makes a lot of sense for the school. Agreed, a friend and I have been lamenting since freshman year at Gtown how much of a waste that "air space" above 395 was. Saw last year that they were working on developing it and that Georgetown could be a possible tenant. I really hope we don't let this one slip away. That location has easy access from VA and anywhere else that can get to 395. Finally, does anyone think that we would move the law school? Do we own the campus downtown or are we renting? Also, how would a med school without a hospital nearby work? What do you mean "move the law school?" You mean move the law center out of it's current location and move other GU departments in to those buildings? I can't imagine that happening. It's really in a great location for a law school -- close to the courts, Capitol Hill and Metro. I can't imagine GU doesn't own the land.
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Post by CWS on Apr 30, 2012 16:22:31 GMT -5
The law school is right next door to the site, so if the law school takes advantage of it, I'd imagine it would be to add additional space, not to move the school.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 30, 2012 16:28:04 GMT -5
Any questions about who owns what in DC can usually be answered by going to the DC Zoning Map at maps.dcoz.dc.gov/Short answer: yes, Georgetown owns the Law Center land. Why move the law center when Capitol Crossing would be right next door? If anything, this would expand the existing complex and give it more of a "I'm at Georgetown" feel to the area. Right now, GULC kind of feels like a small island. I've heard through the grapevine that there have been some discussions - not sure if anything more than that - about whether or not a downtown location like Capitol Crossing would be a suitable location for both the med school and a new hospital. There is a big chunk of DC that does not have a hospital (one could draw the boundaries at 18th Street NW, Rhode Island Avenue, and the rivers), including pretty much all of downtown and the central business district, Capitol Hill and all of Near Southeast and Near Northeast, all of Southwest WOTR, Navy Yard, etc. There is a tiny 60-bed "Specialty Hospital of Washington Capitol Hill Campus" but no real hospital since the closing of DC General in 2001.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 30, 2012 17:36:52 GMT -5
My interpretation is that hometownhoya was suggesting (or wondering about) a GULC move with the idea being that GU could develop a larger and more integrated campus by combining the law center buildings and the new development, as opposed to a smaller development that just happens to be next to the law center.
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Post by jgalt on May 1, 2012 0:59:01 GMT -5
Well, wow. Uh, moving the hospital would solve a lot of problems. And as russky points out, help the city too (maybe they would give gtown some credit for that). A new hospital would be great for patients obviously, but the big complaint i have heard from friends at the med school is that the hospital just sucks to work at because it so old.
Of course Gtown is already getting criticized for this: read the first comment on that article...
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Post by Filo on May 1, 2012 12:55:47 GMT -5
Of course Gtown is already getting criticized for this: read the first comment on that article... a distressingly banal complex. among the most progressive patrons of architecture.. LOL. Must be a Georgetown neighbor. Now mumsy and I off to a fabulous squash match followed by an afternoon tea with Mr. and Mrs. Winston Whitehead and their darling daughter, Muffy.
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Post by RusskyHoya on May 3, 2012 10:23:28 GMT -5
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Post by AustinHoya03 on May 3, 2012 11:11:18 GMT -5
Of course Gtown is already getting criticized for this: read the first comment on that article... a distressingly banal complex. among the most progressive patrons of architecture.. LOL. Must be a Georgetown neighbor. Now mumsy and I off to a fabulous squash match followed by an afternoon tea with Mr. and Mrs. Winston Whitehead and their darling daughter, Muffy.Assuming that it's the hospital/med center that will be moved, a Google image search for "hospital architecture" yields many results that would fall into the "distressingly banal" category. Which is fine, because it's a freaking hospital. When I'm in the top-floor ICU, I don't want the starchitect-designed roof leaking. archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/091019leaky_roof.asp
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Post by jgalt on May 3, 2012 13:29:45 GMT -5
This article says that the University would not want to move the hospital and would only do it to please the neighbors. Am I alone in thinking that moving the hospital, while with its drawbacks, would actually benefit the school in the long run because of the added space? I also think that most (meaning the most vocal) neighbors would welcome the move, even if it meant the next closest hospital was Sibley (only three miles away).
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Post by kchoya on May 3, 2012 13:44:30 GMT -5
a distressingly banal complex. among the most progressive patrons of architecture.. LOL. Must be a Georgetown neighbor. Now mumsy and I off to a fabulous squash match followed by an afternoon tea with Mr. and Mrs. Winston Whitehead and their darling daughter, Muffy. Assuming that it's the hospital/med center that will be moved, a Google image search for "hospital architecture" yields many results that would fall into the "distressingly banal" category. Which is fine, because it's a freaking hospital. When I'm in the top-floor ICU, I don't want the starchitect-designed roof leaking. archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/091019leaky_roof.aspOne word: bubble. www.nytimes.com/2009/12/15/arts/design/15hirshhorn.html?_r=1
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Post by hoyatables on May 3, 2012 13:59:51 GMT -5
This article says that the University would not want to move the hospital and would only do it to please the neighbors. Am I alone in thinking that moving the hospital, while with its drawbacks, would actually benefit the school in the long run because of the added space? I also think that most (meaning the most vocal) neighbors would welcome the move, even if it meant the next closest hospital was Sibley (only three miles away). I think you misread the article. The author stated that the move would become an urban myth and be reported as done solely to please the neighbors.
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Post by kchoya on May 3, 2012 14:00:02 GMT -5
a distressingly banal complex. among the most progressive patrons of architecture.. LOL. Must be a Georgetown neighbor. Now mumsy and I off to a fabulous squash match followed by an afternoon tea with Mr. and Mrs. Winston Whitehead and their darling daughter, Muffy. Assuming that it's the hospital/med center that will be moved, a Google image search for "hospital architecture" yields many results that would fall into the "distressingly banal" category. Which is fine, because it's a freaking hospital. When I'm in the top-floor ICU, I don't want the starchitect-designed roof leaking. archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/091019leaky_roof.aspGranted GU doesn't have a patron like Jon Huntsman giving tons of dough, but University medical facilities are not limited to boring, dull or banal: healthcare.utah.edu/publicaffairs/spotlight/HCI%20Expansion%2010-08.html
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Post by AustinHoya03 on May 3, 2012 17:13:29 GMT -5
On a similar note, what are the chances that parties other than the University would help to pay for this project? As many have pointed out, a hospital in that location would certainly benefit the city.
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