hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 18, 2012 13:33:25 GMT -5
I would definitely go hard after this guy, although I'm not convinced he'd be an upgrade over what we have returning. However, his video is very impressive, he's clearly just scratching the surface of his potential, and you can never have too many big, athletic guys, especially with Othella coaching them. I sense next year's "bigs" rotation of Lubick, Hopkins, Moses and Tyler as being one long on fouls, short on offensive production. Bolden looks to be a redshirt candidate. Hayes has height that none of the others do and appears to be the best run/jump athlete besides Bolden.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 18, 2012 13:35:06 GMT -5
i'm feeling another 2nd place finish....this time behind florida. if pollard pops, that could change. Florida's in the final 2 for five star PF Anthony Bennett. Not sure how attractive Florida will be for Hayes if Bennett commits.
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Post by idhoya on Apr 18, 2012 13:45:05 GMT -5
Bennett is a 4/3. Shouldn't impact at all unless they've run outta ships.
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Post by idhoya on Apr 18, 2012 13:49:39 GMT -5
don't think Hoyas were late. when info first came out about him; he metioned hoyas a favorite cause of their history of big men. Then we started reading more and more about him. Also, scheduled an in-home a couple weeks ago.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 18, 2012 13:50:24 GMT -5
I do think Hayes brings extra height we don't have -- going from 6'9" to 6'11" is not a small nor insignificant jump.
He's athletic, big and tall, and has some good skills. I don't think it's putting any existing players down to also want this kid to come to GU.
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Post by idhoya on Apr 18, 2012 13:52:26 GMT -5
agree SF. Plus, Othella coaches these kids up. He has good athleticism, is raw, but says he's knows he has to work hard to achieve his dream. I'd take a chance on him.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 18, 2012 13:54:46 GMT -5
I do think Hayes brings extra height we don't have -- going from 6'9" to 6'11" is not a small nor insignificant jump. He's athletic, big and tall, and has some good skills. I don't think it's putting any existing players down to also want this kid to come to GU. I agree...he also had an Anthony Davis-like late growth spurt. Would love to bring him to Big Man U to develop his big man skills and also hone his previous guard skills. That said, someone directly put down current players wishing to have Hayes to cause this team to be "elite". While his length at the 5 would add another dimension, we have some bruisers in the post next year and I am excited about them. Obviously JT3 loves post players that can operate at the high post and outside so Hayes is an obvious target and I hope we can get him. A team with diverse skills and abilities is hard to stop.
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Post by KirbyKeger on Apr 18, 2012 14:01:33 GMT -5
If you gave me a choice between Moses or Adams and Hayes, I'd pick our guys every time. Don't discount them because they haven't been on the floor for various reasons. They have tools, and they've been learning. That said, I would love to add Hayes as a project who could potentially become a star. Nothing wrong with another 6'11 guy.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 18, 2012 14:31:08 GMT -5
I fear there is a heavy scarcity premium being applied to Hayes' recruitment. Is he as good as teams desperate for a post recruit really believe?
I trust the staff implicitly, but my only comment is that Hayes is not worth a 'ship if he is a compliance/eligibility risk. Be careful.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 18, 2012 14:33:10 GMT -5
Seems odd that people are dismissing Moses and Tyler when they were out for injury reasons last year not because they weren't good enough to contribute. And I thought Hopkins showed very well. I think we're just fine with bigs right now. I'm not saying don't bring in Hayes if the staff thinks it's the right move, it's just not a need right now.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Apr 18, 2012 14:37:52 GMT -5
Seems like we are late to the party on this one. In fairness, it hasnt been very helpful recently with guys which we have been early to the party either. We need a competent center next year though for sure. Not sure what people are basing their level of comfort in Moses/Adams on because if they are starting, we are not elite. Mikael is solid, but WAY undersized to be logging heavy minutes there. Clearly the staff has made bringing a big in a focus. Lets get this done. And what exactly has Hayes done to prove he makes a team elite? How is he any more of a sure thing than Moses, Tyler, and Mikael? Some of you are reaching and too willing to dismiss guys already on the team. All things being equal, give me the bigger/longer guy, especially in the BE. Im basing it solely off that. Moses/Tyler have never played significant minutes, if at all, so give me the biggest guy to teach and lock down the 5.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 18, 2012 14:57:50 GMT -5
Everyone is assuming that Adams and Moses will be able to contribute anything worthwhile....not saying they won't, but they haven't really played as of yet so we really don't know. On top of that, one is coming off a redshirt undisclosed heart condition the other off an ACL tear....who knows if either will be back full strength from these. I don't think the staff would be going after the bigs they have if they didn't have a reason. If this kid can play and truly is a late bloomer, it may work out well. We're in a position where we don't have to "reach" for spring signings, the schools that are on him/his list tell me he isn't a reach. A reach is when the only other schools on him are MM's . Granted we've only seen highlight film, but this kid is coordinated and decently explosive, all things you look for in a big. Haven't seen any post moves persay but these can definitely be taught to a kid with the feet/coordination he has. Will be interesting to see how this plays out in the coming weeks
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 18, 2012 15:21:56 GMT -5
Seems odd that people are dismissing Moses and Tyler when they were out for injury reasons last year not because they weren't good enough to contribute. And I thought Hopkins showed very well. I think we're just fine with bigs right now. I'm not saying don't bring in Hayes if the staff thinks it's the right move, it's just not a need right now. I don't see anyone "dismissing" Moses and Tyler, but at this point they are unknown quantities. Moses got virtually no PT as a frosh, and we have no way of knowing how much he has developed since then. Tyler was getting very limited minutes before he went out last season. We all have high hopes that one or both will give us strong contributions, but we certainly can'r guarantee it, so going after Hayes would seem to be a plus factor for the program. Not saying he comes in ahead of MA or TA, but there definitely appears to be potential there.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 18, 2012 15:39:18 GMT -5
The Staff, however, has a much better feel for how much Moses and Tyler might contribute next year.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 18, 2012 15:43:39 GMT -5
Seems odd that people are dismissing Moses and Tyler when they were out for injury reasons last year not because they weren't good enough to contribute. And I thought Hopkins showed very well. I think we're just fine with bigs right now. I'm not saying don't bring in Hayes if the staff thinks it's the right move, it's just not a need right now. I don't see anyone "dismissing" Moses and Tyler, but at this point they are unknown quantities. Moses got virtually no PT as a frosh, and we have no way of knowing how much he has developed since then. Tyler was getting very limited minutes before he went out last season. We all have high hopes that one or both will give us strong contributions, but we certainly can'r guarantee it, so going after Hayes would seem to be a plus factor for the program. Not saying he comes in ahead of MA or TA, but there definitely appears to be potential there. Unknown to who? You maybe. But ive seen Moses play a fair amount and I'd like to think that I know what his talent level is. I'm counting on him because, honestly, I thought he might be further along than Henry last summer. Tyler Adams was a stud in HS and i watched him battle it out with Greg Monroe among others over the summer, and what I took away from that was a mental note of his talent level. Of course Kenner is not the best indicator of actual collegiate success, but for those who know anything about basketball it is a place where you go to evaluate talent. From that point, it becomes easier to project future roles. What I saw in Kenner last summer was consistent with what I saw during the season, and that is why I saw us as a top 20-15 team at least all the way back in July (believe it or not). My point is the OP was right, people are sleeping on our stable of bigs. We have a lot of somewhat unheralded talent in our frontcourt, and I would probably have each and every one of them over Hayes. Period. We're good to go as far as im concerned, time to reload.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 18, 2012 15:44:57 GMT -5
The Staff, however, has a much better feel for how much Moses and Tyler might contribute next year. Yep. And they've gone hard after Noel, Pollard and Hayes (and those are just the three that we know of) since the end of the season.
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Post by gujake on Apr 18, 2012 16:04:17 GMT -5
I do think Hayes brings extra height we don't have -- going from 6'9" to 6'11" is not a small nor insignificant jump. He's athletic, big and tall, and has some good skills. I don't think it's putting any existing players down to also want this kid to come to GU. +1. Defensively, there is often a big difference between having a 6'9" center and a 6'11" center. www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=82Luckily Hopkins and Ayegba are both good shot-blockers for their size and we also have good size at other positions. That helps. We don't "need" to have a tall center to be successful. But it makes it a lot easier. I'm not going to pretend to know if Hayes is any good or not, but I'm happy to see the staff going after a guy with his size and athleticism. I would much rather see too many bigs on the roster than too many guards.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 18, 2012 16:14:39 GMT -5
I do think Hayes brings extra height we don't have -- going from 6'9" to 6'11" is not a small nor insignificant jump. He's athletic, big and tall, and has some good skills. I don't think it's putting any existing players down to also want this kid to come to GU. +1. Defensively, there is often a big difference between having a 6'9" center and a 6'11" center. www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=82Luckily Hopkins and Ayegba are both good shot-blockers for their size and we also have good size at other positions. That helps. We don't "need" to have a tall center to be successful. But it makes it a lot easier. I'm not going to pretend to know if Hayes is any good or not, but I'm happy to see the staff going after a guy with his size and athleticism. I would much rather see too many bigs on the roster than too many guards. Then you're getting your wish, since we definitely don't have too many guards. ;D I think it's just wrong to say that this kid would be an upgrade over Tyler and Moses. He's a little taller, and that's a plus. Aside from that, he's an even bigger unknown quantity than Tyler or Moses. He could turn out to be better than either of them, or he could be worse than both of them. And we want to be absolutely certain that there aren't academic issues.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 18, 2012 16:30:54 GMT -5
If you gave me a choice between Moses or Adams and Hayes, I'd pick our guys every time. Don't discount them because they haven't been on the floor for various reasons. They have tools, and they've been learning. That said, I would love to add Hayes as a project who could potentially become a star. Nothing wrong with another 6'11 guy. If coach had the upmost confidence in our existing bigs...would he bed shopping the market for a 2012 big the way he has? He seems pretty intent on landing one and landing him now.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Apr 18, 2012 16:38:00 GMT -5
If you gave me a choice between Moses or Adams and Hayes, I'd pick our guys every time. Don't discount them because they haven't been on the floor for various reasons. They have tools, and they've been learning. That said, I would love to add Hayes as a project who could potentially become a star. Nothing wrong with another 6'11 guy. If coach had the upmost confidence in our existing bigs...would he bed shopping the market for a 2012 big the way he has? He seems pretty intent on landing one and landing him now. Which is my point. Deductive reasoning should tell anybody where the staff is focused. Noel, Upshaw, Hayes...HELLO. havent heard any meaningful recruiting news about a pg, which everyone seems to think is a compelling need.
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