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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 3, 2012 21:53:36 GMT -5
I am disappointed in all of you. Can't you see the one nugget of gold in all of this? They wanted Georgetown. They preferred Georgetown. They asked us first. They could not get us. So they SETTLED for their second choice. Syracuse. The Orangeboys get sloppy seconds, if you will. (insert Laurie Fine joke here)
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Post by FLHoya on Apr 3, 2012 22:14:08 GMT -5
Then why not just say, "Thanks but no thanks, we look forward to the Legends Classic"? Instead, no comment and Syracuse comes out the big winner. Why is Georgetown so PR challenged? Even the Navy doesn't do "Loose Lips Sink Ships" as good as Georgetown. That's why I said someone should ask the AD or Coach, and see what they say. Lee Reed in that original article seemed to go out of his way to downplay expectations. All I can think of is it sounded like such a great opportunity they thought they'd try to make it work, but couldn't. The other side of "Georgetown is so PR challenged" is that, realistically, who exactly is banging down the doors at McD demanding an answer? It's not like any beat writer seems to regularly follow the team in the offseason throwing in morsels either, so these questions kinda sit around. I'm sure we'll all enjoy talking about some forgettable opponent on Nov. 11 and forget they could have played at a historic site amidst 2,000 Georgetown fans in San Diego, most of whom who can't make it to Verizon Center--or mid-week Hoop Club banquets. I'm with you, man. Mentioning "aircraft carrier" in this context demands an over-the-top adjective, bordering on a stylized curse word. Guarantee on 11/11 whoever we're playing will be "NOT A BAD MUTHA-SHUT-YOUR-MOUTH AIRCRAFT CARRIER" State U in our minds.
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Post by hoyabinx on Apr 3, 2012 22:17:13 GMT -5
Am I the only person that thinks playing a basketball game on an aircraft carrier is stupid? The two things have nothing in common (basketball and the Navy) except David Robinson. Let's play a baseball game inside a submarine!
I feel like I am taking crazy pills!
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Post by TC on Apr 3, 2012 22:28:12 GMT -5
Am I the only person that thinks playing a basketball game on an aircraft carrier is stupid? I don't care if this game was scheduled to be played on a garbage barge headed to New Jersey - the fact is that the AD just made a giant PR blunder while we're battling Syracuse for a top recruit. You need to have some sort of statement over why we can't be on that garbage barge that doesn't make it look like we just got beat out by Syracuse. If the Noel thing weren't going on right now, I doubt anyone would care that much.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 3, 2012 22:31:56 GMT -5
Am I the only person that thinks playing a basketball game on an aircraft carrier is stupid? The two things have nothing in common (basketball and the Navy) except David Robinson. Let's play a baseball game inside a submarine! I feel like I am taking crazy pills! I would just love to see a player swat the ball off the deck. Also, I'm pretty sure we could fit more people into a gutted modern submarine then McD
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 3, 2012 22:37:39 GMT -5
Count me among those who don't think that playing on an aircraft carrier is a big deal.
While we're taking shots at the AD, I recall a lot of discussion when the UMCP AD announced his ridiculous ultimatum about not playing any Georgetown teams if a mens basketball game wasn't scheduled that made it clear it was the COACHES who made the schedule, not the ADs.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 3, 2012 22:47:52 GMT -5
One has to start questioning the leadership in the AD given the last few days... Reed is kind of a joke. I've met him and he's a decent guy, but in over his head at this level.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Apr 3, 2012 23:07:12 GMT -5
Count me among those who don't think that playing on an aircraft carrier is a big deal. If you lived in LA and had a 3 year old son you would feel different. Christmas just got cancelled for both of us.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 4, 2012 5:48:35 GMT -5
One has to start questioning the leadership in the AD given the last few days... Reed is kind of a joke. I've met him and he's a decent guy, but in over his head at this level. This is both uncalled for and inaccurate.
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 4, 2012 6:12:42 GMT -5
Redd is a perfect fit for Georgetown, understands that III is the king and follows his direction.
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Post by fsohoya on Apr 4, 2012 7:09:13 GMT -5
Count me among those who don't think that playing on an aircraft carrier is a big deal. While we're taking shots at the AD, I recall a lot of discussion when the UMCP AD announced his ridiculous ultimatum about not playing any Georgetown teams if a mens basketball game wasn't scheduled that made it clear it was the COACHES who made the schedule, not the ADs. This. The carrier game this year was a fun novelty, but doing the second such game -- and this time, not on a functioning carrier and against a pretty low-profile opponent -- seems like you just bought the Star Wars figure ripoffs instead of the real things because you're too cheap but wanna try to look cool. I agree that it doesn't look good right now to have Syracuse jump on it -- and to read the crap about Syracuse being a bigger catch than GU -- but if we have something better to do I don't see this as any kind of big loss, and maybe it's a gain.
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Post by GUJook97 on Apr 4, 2012 8:15:35 GMT -5
I dont agree. This game will still have a lot of cache. It's a Veterans weekend game on freaking aircraft carrier in the heart of one of the major military areas in the country.
That said, my issue is more what TC and DFW mentioned - I just think they goofed on the PR. Playing 4 games in the Brooklyn Classic is a pretty legit reason. Why not say that?
For instance, I dont think that article DFW cited was written by the Standard. I have seen that text elsewhere. So, essentially, the press on this story nationally is, "Gtown was invited. They couldnt do it because of a scheduling conflict, so the organizers got some one bigger, Syracuse." Yikes. Oh, well.
An early version of the Post-Standard story quoted the Union-Tribune article in that reference, but did not include it on an later rewrite.--Admin
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 4, 2012 8:17:34 GMT -5
People are really blowing this out of proportion.
first of all this was never set in stone. I never understood why everyone was all over this like we had already agreed to it. I never thought it was actually happening because I assumed it was going to be too close to the legends classic for it to be feasible. I think people got their hopes up unnecessarily.
second what bad PR is coming of this? No one is paying attention. No one outside this internet community knows this happened or really cares. It wasn't bad PR people are just upset because they made an assumption and got made an ass of. Yeah it would have been fun and different, but it's not like we're some crappy midmajor and this was out only chance to get on national TV. We'll be on plenty of times.
We're not in charge of the schedule. I'm sure JT3 had his reasons for declining the game. perhaps in addition to the tightness of the legends classic we're already playing a game on the west coast in the OOC and cannot afford two cross country flights in the budget or just didn't want to play two games on the west coast.
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Post by GUJook97 on Apr 4, 2012 8:24:30 GMT -5
We were clearly invited, HSB. Sure, it wasnt set in stone, but it was understood that we were one of the teams that would play. Here is what the San Diego papers say about it. That doesnt look good to me. www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/03/sdsu-play-syracuse-midway-carrier/#comments"A different Big East school, Georgetown, was initially invited to play on the Midway, but the Hoyas, while interested, couldn’t extricate themselves from a previously scheduled event over the same weekend. That sent Fisher on a mission to the Final Four in New Orleans, hoping to find a suitable replacement. The first person he met with was Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim, a close friend but also legendary for never getting on a plane for nonconference games. This past season, the Orangemen left the state only once before January, a Dec. 17 game at North Carolina State. The season before, they didn’t play outside New York or New Jersey until Jan. 17. The last time they came west in November or December was 2000, for the Great Alaska Shootout in Anchorage."
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 4, 2012 8:45:30 GMT -5
hoya since birth i thinks YOU got it WRIGTH go hoyas move move move and move on yes its almost november now.
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 4, 2012 8:46:19 GMT -5
ps If lee had just called up the maryland athletic director and worked this out then it all be aok .. OOPS wrong story go hoyas
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 4, 2012 9:01:36 GMT -5
People assumed that because we were invited we would be playing, but unlike everyone else who apparently just read the headline I actually read the AD's quote the first time so knew it likely was not happening. People also seem to be upset about the line of them going out and getting a bigger name. Well you have to realize that's from a syracuse paper only. So of course they're going to take a shot at us. But the organizers sought us out first.
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Post by calhoya on Apr 4, 2012 9:04:46 GMT -5
Aside from the fact that the carrier game is in my backyard, the most disappointing part of this is the lost opportunity to gain recruiting exposure on the West Coast. There are a few recruits in this area that have been Hoyas or Hoya targets (Hollis, Upshaw) and the publicity surrounding this gimmick game is very heavy in SoCal. It would have been nice to see alot of JT III interviews in the local media. Whatever some think of his "system", I have yet to read of a recruit (or recruit's family) who disliked his personality and demeanor.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 4, 2012 9:28:18 GMT -5
People assumed that because we were invited we would be playing, but unlike everyone else who apparently just read the headline I actually read the AD's quote the first time so knew it likely was not happening. People also seem to be upset about the line of them going out and getting a bigger name. Well you have to realize that's from a syracuse paper only. So of course they're going to take a shot at us. But the organizers sought us out first. Good points all. Not to be ignored as well is the fact that Syracuse is playing primarily because Fischer and Boeheim are friends and Fischer asked him, again affirming that it is the coaches who ultimately make the schedules. As far as West Coast appearances go, I would be very surprised if Georgetown does not play SDSU on the west coast within the next couple of years.
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Post by Oh My! on Apr 4, 2012 10:26:25 GMT -5
We were clearly invited, HSB. Sure, it wasnt set in stone, but it was understood that we were one of the teams that would play. Here is what the San Diego papers say about it. That doesnt look good to me. www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/03/sdsu-play-syracuse-midway-carrier/#comments"A different Big East school, Georgetown, was initially invited to play on the Midway, but the Hoyas, while interested, couldn’t extricate themselves from a previously scheduled event over the same weekend. That sent Fisher on a mission to the Final Four in New Orleans, hoping to find a suitable replacement. The first person he met with was Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim, a close friend but also legendary for never getting on a plane for nonconference games. This past season, the Orangemen left the state only once before January, a Dec. 17 game at North Carolina State. The season before, they didn’t play outside New York or New Jersey until Jan. 17. The last time they came west in November or December was 2000, for the Great Alaska Shootout in Anchorage." Is it at all possible Boeheim doesn't get on a plane for this particular non-conference game, either?
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