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Post by royski on Dec 29, 2011 18:52:38 GMT -5
How does he compare to Nick Young (drafted version)? Nick Young was one of the most athletic players ever tested at the combine. I don't think he's a great comparable. Hollis seems more like a taller Daequan Cook with more upside.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 29, 2011 20:30:30 GMT -5
How does he compare to Nick Young (drafted version)? Hollis doesn't compare to Nick Young. NYoung has alot of and1 in his game and can get his own shot off the bounce. Nick has decent handles and he struggles to get to the rim at times. Hollis wouldn't be able to get his own shot at this time. He compares more to a Rip Hamilton type..........
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 30, 2011 0:49:14 GMT -5
Sorry, but Hollis Thompson will not really compare to any top flight NBA players like Rip Hamilton.
He projects maybe to a Kyle Korver. Tall shooter off the bench to hit an occasional 3.
I think better than 50/50 that Hollis comes back.
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Post by chep3 on Dec 30, 2011 11:16:08 GMT -5
Shooting will be his primary skill, but I think you're selling him short if you think he only will be a spot shooter. He's a pretty gifted scorer, and has shown the ability to finish in the post this year (which he'll obviously have to continue to get stronger to be able to use at the next level). Not saying Rip Hamilton is a likely comparison, but I think he could do more than Kyle Korver or Steve Novak. Won't be as big of a defensive liability as those guys either.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 30, 2011 17:24:46 GMT -5
I think you guys are giving Rip too much credit. I'm a Piston fan and I would cringe anytime Rip got the ball and faced his man up. Rip is average off the bounce. His bread is buttered out running his man and knocking down 20fts. Rip is one of the best players playing without the ball. I think Hollis compares to Rip pretty closely. The difference is Rip had led his team to a Nat'l C'ship when he entered the draft after his JR year. That is why his stock went up so high.
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Post by royski on Dec 30, 2011 18:36:44 GMT -5
Rip Hamilton averaged 17+ ppg in the NBA 10 years in a row. If any scout thought that Hollis was the new Rip Hamilton, he'd be a top 5 pick, not a mid 2nd rounder. Rip's sophomore and junior seasons, he averaged 21.5 ppg each season for the nation's top team. Hollis has averaged 8.6 ppg, and 14.5 ppg thus far this season. The comparison is frankly preposterous and unfair to Hollis. The Korver comparison is solid, and I would personally be really happy to see Hollis have a long, Korver-like career as a deadly, feared, valuable shooter off the bench of contenders. There is no shame in that at all.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Dec 30, 2011 19:55:37 GMT -5
Rip is fast. He can run all day. He's not a great athlete or a highflyer but the guy is in constant motion. Coming off screens, stepping into passing lanes, cherry pickin'...what have you but like i said, constant motion.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 30, 2011 21:29:15 GMT -5
There is nothing I can add in regards to what he can gain or not gain from staying an extra year or who his skills are morst comparable with. I think what you have to evaluate most in a situation like this is A) the strength of the 2012 draft and B) the strength at SG for the 2012 draft.
The 2012 draft is without a doubt stronger and deeper then 2011 and I think the same will hold true for the 2013 draft. So that is an advantage for his possible return. Take for example Terrence Jones who was projected to be a lottery pick in 2011 (the 10 to 12 pick range) is now seen as going somwehere in the late teens/early twenties and that is for a player by all accounts has improved his overall game. For what it's worth Nbadraft.net has Hollis going with the 37th pick in 2013.
I think where Hollis can be "convinced" that he should enter will be the lack of depth at SG in 2012.
2012 has 4 elite SG's - Jeremy Lamb, Brad Beal, Terrence Ross, and Austin Rivers. All very likely to go in the Top 10, maybe top 12.
However beyond that the position gets extremely thin and one could possibly argue by seasons end he could be the best of the rest. My best guess is that the next group of SG's wont start to come off the board until around #20, those players being; Doron Lamb, William Buford, Tim Hardaway Jr, John Jenkins, and possibly Alex Young.
I am not going to argue which of that group is better or worst then Hollis (personally I like Lamb as a player more) but I do think it's fair to say he could grade out through workouts, measurements, etc - as the next best SG after the elite ones. Furthermore if we feel he could possibly be a late first round pick (at best) we are obviously looking at the better teams in the NBA and personally I think more likely to invest in a "safe" player like Hollis that could provide solid bench depth rather then reaching for an upside player.
I just think there has to be a concern that Hollis could be sold on the fact that despite a better draft then 2013 will be, the depth and talent at SG will be very similar and he has the potential to be drafted in the first round. I don't think he will be drafted in the 1st round but it doesnt matter what I think, it's what he thinks and if he had convinced himself to go through the process last year why would he not be leaning towards the obvious next step of entering in 2012.
Who knows...maybe like all of us he has been suprised by this teams instant success and sees the potential for a title run in 2012-13 and that will sway him to stay or like many of you have said he sees the benefit of another year to improve himself as a player.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 3, 2012 10:48:29 GMT -5
I think the coaching staff should lay out the options for Hollis and make it clear next year's team's potential with him on board, but I wouldn't say they should recruit him per se. Mostly just because of the way I feel about recruiting. I think the coaching staff should be honest with him and respect his decision, where as in recruiting there's a lot of half truths and you don't necessarily have the kid's best interest at heart when you're recruiting them. Sometimes there is a better program for a recruit than yours, but you're not going to tell the kid that. I expect the staff to tell him the truth at the end of the season. If the best thing at the end of the year is for him to go pro then I expect the coaching staff will tell him that and not try to convince him to stay if it's not in his best interest, which is what recruiting him to stay means to me. They should encourage him to stay, but recruiting him would be much more than that.
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Post by ksf42001 on Jan 3, 2012 11:17:00 GMT -5
If he does graduate undergrad this year, is there any chance he decides to be a graduate transfer? He wouldn't have to sit out a year and could be a valuable gun for hire (not literally, hopefully...) for a team in need of a shooter to reach a championship level. The only problem would be finding a school fitting that criteria that also offers a graduate degree gtown doesn't offer.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 3, 2012 11:37:04 GMT -5
If he does graduate undergrad this year, is there any chance he decides to be a graduate transfer? He wouldn't have to sit out a year and could be a valuable gun for hire (not literally, hopefully...) for a team in need of a shooter to reach a championship level. The only problem would be finding a school fitting that criteria that also offers a graduate degree gtown doesn't offer. Why would he do that if he can stay here?
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Post by idhoya on Jan 3, 2012 15:27:27 GMT -5
HSB,
Maybe the staff has already discussed it with him. Maybe they discussed it after he withdrew from draft. Maybe he's already decided; esp if he's on schedule to graduate. I think the staff's recruiting of wing forwards this year tells all I need to know: He's gone and they're looking for a replacement. Personally, I think there's a need for a big because of the uncertainty of Adams and Moses's health. Bolden essentially takes Henry's spot. DSR takes Clark's spot. I think another big is needed, but where are they in '12.
That said, Hollywood is gone and we should treat it as such.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 3, 2012 17:58:18 GMT -5
id I fully agree that the staff should and is recruiting like he's gone. To do anything else would be foolish.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Jan 3, 2012 18:10:10 GMT -5
I agree. The staff is doing what they should be doing. Still, i don't think its a foregone conclusion that Hollis is gone. Last season Hollis said the right things but you could tell he wasn't too happy with his role. This season it seems like a totally different story. He's playing the wing, working on the things he needs to work on to get to the next level and also a focal point of the team.
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Post by idhoya on Jan 3, 2012 19:18:32 GMT -5
I hope he returns; I'm just saying its not likely.
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Post by richfame on Jan 3, 2012 20:11:24 GMT -5
Im hollis biggest supporter but in my opinion hes a very solid 4 year starter. I think hes making a huge mistake if he leaves after this year. Hollis is a top notch person, has one of the best strokes I have ever seen and will nail clucth shots. That being said as I watch ever game this year he doesnt strike me as a super star. When you saw Ewing, Zo, Mutombo, Iverson, Othello, you knew they were going to be very good or great players.
I have never seen a supposed NBA ready player float thru games as hollis has this year. True you look at his line and he got his points but your like really he scored 15 tonight... I think hes just very unselfish through the course of the game, but I cant tell you how many times ive been yelling at the tv saying "wheres Hollis??" Id like to see hollis look for his shot more. I guess the above mentioned hoyas had the ability to put the team on his back and carry the team on any given night or half.
Come back for your sr year..
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 3, 2012 20:31:43 GMT -5
I would hope the first month and a half of this season has made Hollis give another thought to returning.
Future is very bright and Hollis could be at the forefront of a very, very strong team next year. He also has been able to finally play exclusively on the wing on both ends and I believe we've even seen him get to play a tiny bit of SG.
If he was on the fence about what to do next year, I think it is possible that seeing/playing with the young talent might/hopefully be nudging him towards a return.
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Post by idhoya on Jan 3, 2012 21:00:35 GMT -5
If hollis returns, Bowen dips. Maybe even if hollis leaves. Can't blame him really at this point.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 3, 2012 23:31:43 GMT -5
Whatever Hollis ends up doing, hopefully Hoya fans handle it with some class. If he wants to pursue his career as a professional basketball player, I don't blame him for a second. Smart kid, good player, and a really good Hoya either way in my opinion. I would obviously love to have him on the team with that SMOOTH jumper of his forever, but whenever he decides it's time, it's his call and no one elses.
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Post by idhoya on Jan 4, 2012 11:55:59 GMT -5
I hope Hoyas continue to recruit long, athletic shooters at all positions and I'd love to get even longer in the post.
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