NBA Hoyas

[bmartin]

3 points (3/4 ft), 1 rebound, 1 assist, 1 block for PE Jr in garbage time at Memphis.

[4aks]

So, do we get to hang his jersey in McDonough now??

[jester]

Jeff Green did not do much against the Heat. So far hasnt quite fit in with Celtics on offense...gets to open spots on floor but not really in their flow. On defense didnt do much either...whether it was having to guard LeBron (good luck) or poor rotations.

Celts prob could have used Perkins. Thunder beat Lakers end to end today with him. I think Green would have benefitted from him there but Ibaka def does now.

Monroe one rebound short of a double double in a win. Also 4 assists - this is increasing - this month his assist total is over 3 per game...pretty good for a C in rookie yr on a bad team.

Roy with 19 and 10 and 4 assists in a one pt loss to Knicks.

[hoyainspirit]

Greg is averaging 14.8 pts and 9.2 rebounds over the last five games.

[RDF]

Jeff Green has been awful in Boston-and that trade was brutal. Jeff better work on his game/approach to game big time or he's going to find himself available when contract runs out and not much money on table. Standing away from ball, not getting involved isn't how to make money in the NBA. His lack of rebounding kills his value as well-because his skill set is more undersized 4 but his position is SF-and he's not developed his game--or at least showing anything. The Celtics have tried to get him to be more assertive/aggressive-but you either have that in DNA or don't. He's too passive on the court.

OKC is a better team not just because of Perkins--but allowing Ibaka to take Green's minutes. Ibaka is a better player then Jeff--natural PF on both ends and more aggressive and both of those guys bring a presence to the game/team.

[757hoyafan]

SI is better fit for OKC than Jeff; he is not better player than Jeff. JMO--So we agree to disagree

[RDF]

Apr 11, 2011 11:36:00 GMT -5 757hoyafan said:

SI is better fit for OKC than Jeff; he is not better player than Jeff. JMO--So we agree to disagree

Ibaka can defend, has developed a nice mid range jumper, and finishes strong at rim/is active. Jeff stands around and waits for action to come to him. OKC is better without Green and Boston was better without him too--and one of the reasons the Perkins trade was made--to get Ibaka more time/put him at PF spot. Jeff Green's NBA career is......? He plays like a guy who isn't sure of what he is doing and where he should be on the court--so he drifts and doesn't impact the game on any end when in college one of his biggest assets was he could influence a game without needing to score--now he can't do anything to help a team but score--and he doesn't demand ball enough or take enough shots.

Ibaka's aggression is something I'd love to see transfer to Green--it's painful to watch him play right now.

[williambraskyiii]

Apr 11, 2011 13:01:09 GMT -5 RDF said:

Apr 11, 2011 11:36:00 GMT -5 757hoyafan said:

SI is better fit for OKC than Jeff; he is not better player than Jeff. JMO--So we agree to disagree

Ibaka can defend, has developed a nice mid range jumper, and finishes strong at rim/is active. Jeff stands around and waits for action to come to him. OKC is better without Green and Boston was better without him too--and one of the reasons the Perkins trade was made--to get Ibaka more time/put him at PF spot. Jeff Green's NBA career is......? He plays like a guy who isn't sure of what he is doing and where he should be on the court--so he drifts and doesn't impact the game on any end when in college one of his biggest assets was he could influence a game without needing to score--now he can't do anything to help a team but score--and he doesn't demand ball enough or take enough shots.

Ibaka's aggression is something I'd love to see transfer to Green--it's painful to watch him play right now.

Sadly, I agree completely with RDF. A bit shocking that Green is our 3rd best NBA player right now.

[momzer]

Also agree that watching Jeff is getting painful. Stays in corner and hopes ball gets thrown to him. At least in OKC he was part of Big 3. Now, in BSN, they have a big 3 1/2 and he justs plays with 2nd stringers. He needs a change. while SF's usually are not the focus of a team, except for Carmelo and LeBron, Jeff certainly needs to be on a team where his touches are part of the movement of the ball, not the last place the ball ends up when someone is in trouble on a kick-out. Loses his ability to move with ball and he becomes a black man's Kyle Korver. He's just better than that and needs to be put in the right situation where he becomes 1 of three like he was in OKC. He was a leading rebounder there until they sent him to the corner standing there shooting 3's. That wasn't his game until Westbrook arrived and it wasnt his game at Gtown. He is just to good with natural talent to just turn into another bench player.

[FrazierFanatic]

Jeff is ina very tough position right now. Being thrust into the Boston situation, I imagine he feels a need to give deference to the Big 3 plus Rondo, and does not want to step on anyone's toes. In OKC he started great when the offense was at least partly running through him, but as first Durant and then Westbrook became the main focuses, Jeff faded into the background. While i originally thought Boston would be a great place for him as Garnett and Pierce wound down their careers, now I wonder if he would not be better off somewhere that he could be a more integral part of a team-oriented system rather than a star-oriented one - maybe Denver with Anthony gone, e.g. Hope he finds a comfort spot and rejuvenates his carrer.

[DudeSlade]

I volunteer the Lakers trade Ron Artest for Jeff Green. As a Laker fan, I will gladly take that trade straight up and I wouldn't put it past Celtics fans to go for it at this moment. I think Jeff in the triangle offense would be great. I love Ron Ron since he's been on the Lakers and his crazy antics, plus his body you up defense, but I think he's definitely on the downside of his career, which fits perfectly with the Celtics, who could also use his physical, aggressive nature now that Perkins is gone.

[royski]

Apr 11, 2011 16:50:39 GMT -5 DudeSlade said:

I volunteer the Lakers trade Ron Artest for Jeff Green. As a Laker fan, I will gladly take that trade straight up and I wouldn't put it past Celtics fans to go for it at this moment. I think Jeff in the triangle offense would be great. I love Ron Ron since he's been on the Lakers and his crazy antics, plus his body you up defense, but I think he's definitely on the downside of his career, which fits perfectly with the Celtics, who could also use his physical, aggressive nature now that Perkins is gone.

No chance the Celtics do that. The Green trade was originally about getting younger and planning for a post-Garnett/Allen/Pierce future. Jeff can still be a part of that while Artest cannot be.

For everyone that loved to take shots at OKC and Brooks and Durant and Westbrook for not featuring Jeff enough, I think it is becoming clear that Jeff got about as much feature time as could possibly be warranted on that team. He can do some things, namely he's a decent defender that can sorta cover 3 positions in a pinch, he's a decent three point shooter, he's a good scorer in transition and he's a willing, if not particularly gifted, passer.

Nevertheless, he's undersized for the 4 and not skilled enough for the 3 which makes him a tweener, and thus likely relegates him to a bench role. I think Jeff could be at his best back in OKC as the primary back-up for Durant and Ibaka, getting about 20 mpg. He's just not a good enough player to warrant 36 mpg on any team that has championship aspirations, which may be unfortunate, but is undoubtedly true. I really do wish him the best of luck, and I hope OKC makes a small RFA run at him, which I really don't think is out of the question if the price is right. He already has chemistry with that whole team, and he knows his role. Just my 2 cents as an OKC fan.

PS: Serge Ibaka is MUCH better than Jeff Green, that comparison isn't even fair to Jeff. Serge is a dominant weakside shotblocker, one of the best in the world in fact, a gifted rebounder and a solid defender. He also has a rapidly developing offensive game, most notably a pretty new and surprisingly accurate midrange jumpshot that he can get off whenever he wants thanks to his length. Ibaka is also 3 years younger than Jeff, and has not been playing basketball at all for nearly as long, he was certainly never coached up by anyone of JTIII's caliber before arriving in OKC. Jeff can be a very solid role player for a good team, Ibaka will prove over the next few weeks that he can be the third best player on a championship caliber one already.

PPS: To not be all gloom and doom, I'll point out that Greg Monroe looks like he will likely be an all-star sooner rather than later, and Roy has a shot at that distinction as well if the Pacers can continue to improve.

[momzer]

Royski: Keep in mind that even with KD and Westbrook, Jeff was playing 36 minutes a game and was getting rebbies and points. I understand that to get Perkins they had to give him up, but he grew with that team and with him there with Perkins, I think they would be almost a lock for West Finals and maybe even Finals Finals. Feel sorry that he is lost in Celtic system.

[jester]

Agree. Jeff Green is more polished, more experienced and pretty versatile. But production wise its not close, and you are only as good as your production and the value you bring to a team. Ibaka does that, Jeff did not. Ibaka even attempted two three pointers in rookie challenge and drained them both so maybe he'll be more effective there someday...he already has the franchise (Sonics/Thunder) record for blocks in a season not even playing as a starter all year. Ibaka has more tools physically, and will catch up in most areas where Jeff had an edge.

Maybe Jeff can go to the Wiz and provide some experience and stability amongst those youngsters.

[royski]

Apr 11, 2011 17:54:21 GMT -5 momzer said:

Royski: Keep in mind that even with KD and Westbrook, Jeff was playing 36 minutes a game and was getting rebbies and points. I understand that to get Perkins they had to give him up, but he grew with that team and with him there with Perkins, I think they would be almost a lock for West Finals and maybe even Finals Finals. Feel sorry that he is lost in Celtic system.

That's a fair point, but the idea that the Thunder were almost a lock for the West finals and perhaps NBA finals before the Perkins trade is revisionist history. The vast majority of informed Thunder fans were of the opinion that the Thunder would go through the playoffs until they ran into either San Antonio or Los Angeles, and then they would lose in 6 or 7. It was only after the trade that the fan base has entertained legitimate notions that the team might be championship caliber. (That Green/Kristic front line just could not get it done against Gasol/Bynum/Odom. A change had to be made if they were to get past LA. The Thunder also got crushed in all three of their meetings with the Spurs this season, all before the addition of Perkins.)

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Jeff got the start for Boston with them resting their starters.

It seems to suit Jeff as he has 10 pts and 8 rebounds at the half.

[momzer]

Royski: You missed my point. My point is with Green and Perkins, they were a lock for West Finals and Finals Finals perhaps. Question is what else could they have given up and keep Jeff for this year's run. I didn't say that with Jeff and w/o Perkins they were a lock for anything. They needed a Big presence in the middle and Perkins was the answer. The question is whether Green had to be the bait.

[DoctorHoya]

Jeff is having a monster night... 20pts, 15 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 steals with 2 min left in overtime. AWESOME GAME

[RDF]

Apr 11, 2011 20:57:29 GMT -5 DoctorHoya said:

Jeff is having a monster night... 20pts, 15 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 steals with 2 min left in overtime. AWESOME GAME

Glad to see that--and wish they would've gotten the win over Wizards-but at least he showed some aggression. Now he needs to take this type of performance and apply it in approach off the bench when he's called into the game. Quit worrying about deferring and play like you belong. Talent is there--just needs to believe in himself and quit worrying about what teammates will think. They brought him over to help win a title--not to watch them do it.

[sleepyjackson21]

Nice article about Dajuan.

www.detnews.com/article/20110412/SPORTS0102/104120375/1127/SPORTS0105/DaJuan-Summers-ponders-his-next-move

Except that the author says he came out as a sophmore.