NBA Hoyas

[rosslynhoya]

Jan 6, 2011 12:26:27 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Greg a defensive stalwart? We knew he had it in him!

That's "a defensive stalwart" by NBA standards. I'm not sure that's good enough to compete in the Big East.

[damnhoya]

Some Hollinger questions on former Hoyas:

"Who you like of these 3: Ed Davis, Greg Monroe, Ekpe Udoh?

John Hollinger (4:35 PM)

Still like Monroe the best. He is a uniquely awful finisher around the basket, it's really quite amazing. But in terms of passing and feel for the game, he's got it and the other guys don't, so I have to think he'll figure the rest out and become a good offensive player. Davis is raw and could be good in time. Udoh is the oldest of them and has looked very shaky so far."


"Is Jeff Green in the Thunder's future?

John Hollinger (4:37 PM)


Highly debatable. I think they like that he's low-maintenance and can space the floor, but they don't value that enough to match a wild offer from another team. If OKC can keep him at reasonable $$ they will, but they have a lot of guys to pay over the next few years and have to manage the dough carefully."

[gujake]

Greg with 2 good games in a row

[harlemhoya]

Jeff Green will be a Knick or Net next year. He will go to the loser of the Carmelo sweepstakes.

[alleninxis]

Knicks will not want a thing to do with Jeff if they miss on Melo. Chandler has become a decidedly better player than Jeff.

I dont think playing next to KD/Russ has been great for his development, but he sure hasn't shown much lately.


Nice to see Greg do well lately. From his freshman year here, he's really turned himself into a solid rebounder. I think he'll become a little more savvy offensively as time goes on and figure out how not to have your shots sent back.

[Grandpa]

Roy is going to see a sports psychologist for his recent struggles after his impressive start. Needless to say, pulling for Roy to get his meanery back and play like he did to begin the season.

www.indystar.com/article/20110109/SPORTS04/101090367/1062/SPORTS04/Pacers-Hibbert-seeking-help-his-struggles

[bmartin]

www.detnews.com/article/20110108/SPORTS0102/101080400/Pair-of-youngster-pace-Pistons%E2%80%99-rally--overtime-victory-over-Sixers

For at least one overtime period Saturday, Austin Daye and Greg Monroe took attention away from Richard Hamilton's uncertain future, pacing Detroit past the Sixers 112-109.

Daye, who finished with 15 points, was glad he could show team president Joe Dumars he and Monroe are a good investment, especially when the game is on the line.

"It really looks good," Daye said of the duo's potential. "But hopefully it looks good for Joe D since he's the one that drafted us." Monroe had 16 points, 13 rebounds and a pair of free throws near the two-minute mark that gave the Pistons a seven-point lead.

The outing was quite the contrast from Monroe's effort earlier this season, which cost him extended time on the bench for a few games. He played nearly 31 minutes against the Sixers.

"Use everything as a learning experience," he said of his goals. "Every possession, every game, every practice."

[bmartin]

4th straight double double for Greg Monroe, 14 points, 11 rebounds, 1 block, 2 steals in 30 minutes before fouling out. 5-7 fg, 4-6 ft.

[LizziebethHoya]

Jan 13, 2011 0:17:06 GMT -5 bmartin said:

4th straight double double for Greg Monroe, 14 points, 11 rebounds, 1 block, 2 steals in 30 minutes before fouling out. 5-7 fg, 4-6 ft.

This REALLY makes me miss Greg right now

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Jeff hit some clutch three's in Oklahoma's 1 point win yesterday. In the highlights this morning they showed 1 and said "that's for all the Hoyas out there!"

[skkhoya07]

Jan 9, 2011 12:17:06 GMT -5 harlemhoya said:

Jeff Green will be a Knick or Net next year. He will go to the loser of the Carmelo sweepstakes.

the thunder have not and said they will not offer an extension, so they will let the market determine his value

as a restricted FA, i think the thunder will match any offer below an initial base salary of $7 million per year (the thunder have one of the lowest payrolls even with durants extension, so it would be beneficial to keep him instead of finding a new player that would fit their system)


the knicks already have wilson chandler and landry fields, but i guess anything can happen after the new CBA

[joey0403p]

the thunder still have to extend westbrook (he has 1 more year) so anything they do this summer will be with an eye toward that. also jeff is undersized at the 4 and often looks lost out there. i was watching the game and on 4 or 5 straight posessions he camped out at the 3 pt line and didn't even go into the paint for a potential rebound.

i love jeff as much as anyone else - but i think he needs to get moved.
can you imagine him in LA playing the triangle? i hate the lakers but would become a fan.

[skkhoya07]

Jan 14, 2011 13:29:16 GMT -5 joey0403p said:

the thunder still have to extend westbrook (he has 1 more year) so anything they do this summer will be with an eye toward that. also jeff is undersized at the 4 and often looks lost out there. i was watching the game and on 4 or 5 straight posessions he camped out at the 3 pt line and didn't even go into the paint for a potential rebound.

i love jeff as much as anyone else - but i think he needs to get moved.
can you imagine him in LA playing the triangle? i hate the lakers but would become a fan.

i understand what you are saying, he is undersized as a 4, but he can also stretch floor when westbrook and durant go to pick and roll

scott brooks system calls for green to work outside in---setting up the 3 pointer in the corner, to posting up on the elbow and then the low post, eventually leading to baseline cuts

more recently, westbrook and durant have been so good scoring that green has not really been needed

[DudeSlade]

Jan 14, 2011 13:29:16 GMT -5 joey0403p said:

i love jeff as much as anyone else - but i think he needs to get moved.
can you imagine him in LA playing the triangle? i hate the lakers but would become a fan.

I have been saying for a while that I think our big men would fit well in a Triangle system in the NBA. Obviously, for winning reasons the Lakers would be ideal, but they are pretty hamstrung in terms of the cap and guys being locked up for the next few years. The TWolves with Rambis running the Triangle there would work, and with Love and Beasley now playing well, it's not the deathpit it used to be. Of course, the problem for our big guys there is that Love and Beasley play the 3 and 4. Maybe Roy could play Center for them, but it would need to be a center to work there.

But I don't think you're idea of L.A. is totally off. Just maybe not the same team. I'm thinking the Clippers might actually be a good landing place for Jeff. They have lots of room under the salary cap and they have some serious ballers in Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon who would complement Jeff well with their banging in the post (Griffin) and outside shooting (Gordon). Jeff's swiss army knife game and glue guy rep would fit well there and he could play the 3, which the Clippers really need. It's a very young team, but they have loads of talent and I could see Jeff as the older statesman on that team that shows them how to win (looked what happened with the Thunder after all). Of course, that means Donald Sterling would have to not screw everything up somehow and that is not likely.

I just get the feeling the Thunder aren't bringing Jeff back because they think they need a long, more traditional 4 and 5 to truly compete for championships (and they may not be wrong). If they do, I think it will be below his real value. My hope is he finds a team he can play the 3 and blossom into an All-Star.

[hoyarooter]

I agree with dudeslade - JG would be an excellent fit on the Clippers - which is why he probably won't end up there. The Clippers are currently starting Ryan Gomes at the 3. Now I like Ryan Gomes, he's a solid journeyman, but JG would be a significant upgrade.

[hoyaboy1]

Jeff's ideal situation isn't playing the 3, since he is much worse offensively there. If we are talking about dream spots it would be playing alongside a dominant defensive/rebounding center . . . of course, that basically leaves Orlando and maybe Milwaukee.

We can keep talking about bad fits, and "swiss army knife," and "glue guy," etc. - but it's time for Jeff to actually step up and start showing that on the court. He's basically declined each year since a mediocre sophomore season and at this point his numbers only look respectable because he plays a ton. OKC is consistently better when he is off the court, and advanced stats (which are so-so for bball) hate his defense at the 4 . . . but his offense suffers at the 3. Right now he is an inefficient tweener who doesn't rebound or shoot very well.

A change could very well help - it certainly seems like Jeff should be better than he has been in OKC. But he's now been in the league for 3 and a half years and the excuses are wearing thin if he wants to be anything more than a middling starter.

[EasyEd]

What's happened to Hibbert? Seems in a real funk now.

[DudeSlade]

Jan 14, 2011 22:11:53 GMT -5 hoyaboy1 said:

A change could very well help - it certainly seems like Jeff should be better than he has been in OKC. But he's now been in the league for 3 and a half years and the excuses are wearing thin if he wants to be anything more than a middling starter.

I do agree with this. Jeff needs to figure it out if he ever wants to live up to his ability. It's incredibly frustrating to hear pundits/announcers discuss OKC and only mention Durant and Westbrook or if they include a third, to mention Serge Ibaka (who literally can't play offense), but the more Jeff plays this way, the more they are right to exclude him from that group. I hope he can turn that corner.

About playing the 3 though, my primary reason for thinking he'd be better there is how he played when Durant was out this season. I don't have the exact stats, but Jeff played the 3 in Durant's absence and I distinctly remember some impressive 30 point games with solid rebounds and assists. He hit threes well, he actually drove to the basket, and he looked more comfortable operating from that position in the couple games I saw him play there. As I said, I have no exact measure of it and he may actually be worse there by stats, but anecdotally it seemed he played well there.

[bmartin]

16 points, 9 rebounds, 4 steals for Monroe in win over Mavs.
7 straight double figure games. First 3 game win streak of season for Pistons.

[bmartin]

Monroe steal and dunk highlight:
www.nba.com/video/games/pistons/2011/01/17/0021000604_dal_det_play6.nba/index.html