Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 28, 2017 14:09:59 GMT -5
The Wizards will regret extending Wall the franchise player max contract this offseason. Wall is not a superstar PG but he's being paid by the Wizards like he is one. He thrives/eats off of his speed and athleticism. 7 plus seasons in the Association and still can't shoot. Suspect mid range/pull up game. Poor shooter from 3pt range. You don't pay 37+ million $$$ or 35% of your salary cap (which he will be making starting in 2019-2020) a year to a suspect shooter. Wall's ego is what hurts the Wizards. The Wizards as a team are most effective when he doesn't lead the team in shots. Unfortunately that doesn't happen enough and his ego won't allow anyone to outshine him for an extended period of time. Wizards won't win in the post season until he Wall focuses solely on be a playmaker for his teammates like the improving Oubre, Beal and Porter, and becomes a secondary shooter/scorer on this team until he improves his perimeter game. Otto Porter will be the Wizards outright best player in less than 2 years if Wall's ego will allow it. Agree with just about everything you stated above but the Wizards are one of those franchises that has to Max "their best player" even if it proves to be the wrong move in the future. I agree 100% about Wall's ego being his biggest hindrance and will prevent the Wizards from being a top 2 team in the east. Stephen A. Smith lit into Wall after the Lakers debacle and I agreed completely with take on the matter. So proud of Otto as a Hoyas and Wizards fan. He's maturing as a player and a man and he, Beal and Oubre are the future of the Wiz. Agree with you that you probably have to Max your best player in today's NBA or trade them like the Celtics did I.T. but the Wizards didn't have to give Wall an extended Max contract this past offseason as he still had 2 years left on his deal. They did it to message his ego as they new that he couldn't handle Otto Porter being the highest paid player on the team. Wall has made plenty of statements regarding other players $$$ in the past. Whether it was Beals $$ or Reggie Jackson $$ when he signed his new deal with the Pistons a couple of seasons ago. If the Wizard were being progressive, they would look to get out of Wall's contract by moving for a PG with more flexibility. IMO they should look into moving Wall to the Suns for Bledsoe and try and get young athletic BIG in Marquese Chriss plus a draft pick or 2. It's going to be really hard to move him once that new contract officially kicks in...
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Post by navio on Oct 28, 2017 14:54:10 GMT -5
Whoa. This spun out of control really quickly
Wall is clearly the best player on the team and one of the best distributors in the league. He really stepped up his game last season.
However, through the first 5 games, he hasn't been that same guy. The assists are there, but the efficiency is lacking. Otto has done a great job of scoring the ball efficiently by taking shots that he knows he can make. That is why he has been the most impressive player through the first 5 games.
I think it's ridiculous to insinuate that John Wall shouldn't have received the extension. It is important to remember that Wall was an important factor in letting Otto flourish. I don't think it is a stretch to say that Otto's numbers would be less impressive without Wall.
John Wall is still the best point guard in the east, but he hasn't played like one over the course of the first 5 games.
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Post by 95hoya on Oct 28, 2017 15:15:03 GMT -5
You guys are hilarious with these hot takes. Wall is the best player on the Wiz by far. He shot very well from mid range last year and has improved to a capable, okay 3 point shooter. He also is the best in the league at setting up teammates to score. You guys are Otto fans, not Wizards fans. I get it, but the comments are so jaded. Your statement has all the telltale signs of a Fanboy post when the numbers just don't add up to your hyperboles... What numbers? You talking about 5 game samples.
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Post by dense on Oct 28, 2017 15:29:21 GMT -5
Otto played well, but Wall has not shot the ball well this yr, and shot poorly in this game. The Wiz blew an 18 pt 3rd quarter lead. Good game for Otto, but bad loss for the Wizards. I would not call it a bad loss. The Warriors have been doing that to alot of people at Oracle over the past 3 years even before that got Durant aka the 2nd best player in the league. 18pt leads in the NBA in the 3rd quarter are not like 18pt leads in college.
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Post by dense on Oct 28, 2017 15:31:29 GMT -5
Wiz problem that shows why Markieff Morris is so important because Gortat is not a great back to the basket player but Morris is. he can spread the floor and score in the post. he givess the team versatility. If he was available he could have played the 5 down the stretch and taken advantage of someone like Kevon Looney.
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Post by iowa80 on Oct 28, 2017 16:10:39 GMT -5
Any news on LJ? It does not look like he is playing in the G League at the moment. Looks like LJ is headed to the Red Claws. Red Claws roster"That leaves 14 players competing for 10 roster spots, but four of those, designated as affiliate players, are guaranteed jobs. Daniel Dixon, L.J. Peak and Andrew White all took part in Celtics training camp, and Daniel Ochefu was signed 11 days ago after being cut from Washington." So L.J. and Daniel Ochefu meet up.
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Post by jester on Oct 28, 2017 16:52:33 GMT -5
Was at the GSW game, and about 50 Hoyas in attendance met up and chatted with Otto after his big night. Despite the loss, seemed he took the the glass is half full attitude and understood how good the defending champions are and how close they were. And probably proud of his performance and the hard work he puts in paying off.
Some thoughts:
- forgot how skinny Otto is. He seems stronger though, and for a while in the game was KD'ing KD.
- length of wizards gave GSW problems. GSW can play too loose at times both with ball and emotions, wizards got underneath their skins. However, once they get confidence and threes hit, it's a problem for other teams. Wiz played A ball for most of the start of the game, but when warriors turn to their A game, with their personnel it's more like A+++.
- Otto is going to put up good numbers this year, especially as a third focus scorer. Would not be surprised to see his numbers better than other second options like Paul george in the SF category, and while someone like Tobias Harris or Gordon may get an all star nod, Otto's usage will be far below theirs.
- Otto is one of the few players so far in top 15 in defense and offensive stats. Turning into a player who shot .19 from 3pt to start his NBA career / had a bad defense meme created about him to shooting 7 of 9 from 3 for 29 puts while guarding KD - a better version of a true 3 and D like Trevor Ariza seems in sight. He needs better handle / ISO abilities to truly get to legit all star status.
- he deserved the max contract, for many different reasons. However, wiz have a terrible bench, and it shows pretty much every year, and decisions like iahminis contract at $19 mm are to blame. The problem For the wiz now is they are stuck in being 'very good' with three stars (but perhaps no superstars) and little bench. They may need to decide to lose someone (wall/beal/Otto) or trade for assets with Oubre if they want to either get better in next two years or punt on next two.
- was the trade for Bodgan last year instead of keeping the pick and draft a young big like Jarrett Allen worth it?
- which career will the casual NBA fan best remember 15 years from now? Roy or Jeff or Monroe? Roy had the best peak/appeared on parks and rec, Jeff and Roy had final 4 fame and Jeff may be remembered for his NBA dunks and playing with James/Durant/ Westbrook on high profile teams, Monroe may end up with the longest/most productive career of all of them (as his game ages the best).
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Oct 28, 2017 17:05:52 GMT -5
I watched the whole Wiz game last night and that Golden state comeback was obviously going to happen. The Beal/Green ejections really hurt the Wizards as they don't have nearly the depth that Golden State does. I really think Durant ruined the NBA with his move to the Warriors lol. They are way too good. NBA would be better off if they moved to a hard salary cap.
Back to Otto though, I think he has a good chance at being an all star this year.
But ya know what I just remembered that they did away with the East/West format. So who knows.
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jester
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Post by jester on Oct 28, 2017 17:09:11 GMT -5
There are still equal members from each conference, it's just that the captains can have a mix of players from each conference on their team (say, team curry vs team LeBron).
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dense
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Post by dense on Oct 28, 2017 18:03:53 GMT -5
Wiz need to give Chris McCullough time. he solves the athleticism and size problems while still spacing the floor. Mike Scott doesnt block or challenge enough shots.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 28, 2017 18:11:01 GMT -5
Just a quick reminder that this thread is about NBA Hoyas, not WizardsTalk. Feel free to discuss Mr. Wall, Mr. Gortat, and Wizards roster construction in the Pro & College Sports forum.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Oct 28, 2017 20:43:22 GMT -5
Just a quick reminder that this thread is about NBA Hoyas, not WizardsTalk. Feel free to discuss Mr. Wall, Mr. Gortat, and Wizards roster construction in the Pro & College Sports forum. You’re kidding, right? There are like 3 Hoyas in the nba and Otto is by far the most integral to his teams success. Therefore, any discussion of Otto maximizing his potential necessarily requires discussion about the Wizards which, may I remind you as a fan of the sad sack Celtics, is the hometown team of many on this board and our proud alma mater. If you were being tongue in cheek then disregard and carry on.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 28, 2017 21:50:21 GMT -5
Wow. I had higher respect for the Brasky faceto-sarcasmeter than I should have. FYI I’ve never been a Celtics fan except when Jeff Green wore number 8 here.
On a serious note, I agree with your premise, but 85 posts discussing whether John Wall is the greatest NBA point guard ever seems a bit far removed from the Otto potential maximization discussion.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 28, 2017 22:20:49 GMT -5
Whoa. This spun out of control really quickly Wall is clearly the best player on the team and one of the best distributors in the league. He really stepped up his game last season. However, through the first 5 games, he hasn't been that same guy. The assists are there, but the efficiency is lacking. Otto has done a great job of scoring the ball efficiently by taking shots that he knows he can make. That is why he has been the most impressive player through the first 5 games. I think it's ridiculous to insinuate that John Wall shouldn't have received the extension. It is important to remember that Wall was an important factor in letting Otto flourish. I don't think it is a stretch to say that Otto's numbers would be less impressive without Wall.John Wall is still the best point guard in the east, but he hasn't played like one over the course of the first 5 games. "Letting Otto flourish". This comment completely diminishes all the hard work that Otto Porter has put in throughout his entire life to achieve what he has and become the player he currently is and developing into. No one let Otto Porter flourish except Otto Porter and yes it is a major stretch to say that Otto's numbers would be less impressive without Wall. There's no way to tell whether or not Otto wouldn't be a better or worse player than he is right now if he never played with Wall. It's just as possible that playing alongside Wall could be stunting Porter's overall development. Your comment gives John Wall way to much credit for Otto's success when passing the ball to the open man is the bare minimum of John Wall doing his job. I myself wished Otto went to Brooklyn this offseason and completely understand why Kyrie wanted out of Cleveland. This is the same garbage that the media constantly regurgitates about players who play alongside LeBron when in reality these players suck the oxygen out of the room for a lot of players making it very difficult to excel playing alongside them.
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Post by jorand on Oct 29, 2017 13:03:46 GMT -5
I was going to offer a full throated defense of John but I just saw the mod's warning so I'll refrain.
But I will say this: This is a Hoyas board so many posters see things though "Hoyas slanted eyes"...and that's understandable. Personally, I'm a Wizards fan. A devoted fan. Before Otto and long after he's gone.
This doesn't have to an Otto vs John/Bradley thing.
John Wall is one the best PGs in the league. And the stats bear that out.
Bradley Beal is one of the up and coming SGs in the league.
Otto Porter, after a shaky start to his career seems to be developing into one of the better SFs in the league.
See? Not that difficult.
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 30, 2017 6:11:09 GMT -5
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Post by jorand on Oct 30, 2017 12:31:44 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Oct 30, 2017 13:25:26 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Oct 30, 2017 14:04:35 GMT -5
Otto is 2nd in the NBA in steals per game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 19:37:22 GMT -5
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