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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 30, 2016 17:25:50 GMT -5
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Post by SFOHoya on Jul 1, 2016 15:37:47 GMT -5
Impact on Hibbert of Mozgov to Lakers?
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Post by beenaround on Jul 1, 2016 16:21:45 GMT -5
Impact on Hibbert of Mozgov to Lakers? Incredible that Roy has slipped to the point that the Lakers paid $64 million for a center who barely got off the bench for Cleveland down the stretch and in the playoffs. Hope I am way wrong, but Roy may be playing as a backup somewhere next year at half of his recent salary. That said..it will still be a lot more than I am making!
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 1, 2016 17:54:29 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 1, 2016 20:47:16 GMT -5
Not bad for a bottom 10 player.
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Post by tashoya on Jul 1, 2016 22:12:21 GMT -5
Not bad for a bottom 10 player. True. However, it's a one year deal in which he's earning less than Timofey Mozgov per annum who now has a 4 year deal. I wonder what Jeff's contract would have been if the cap hadn't changed. I hope Jeff puts it all together this year and finds a more permanent home next year.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 1, 2016 23:44:02 GMT -5
Not bad for a bottom 10 player. True. However, it's a one year deal in which he's earning less than Timofey Mozgov per annum who now has a 4 year deal. I wonder what Jeff's contract would have been if the cap hadn't changed. I hope Jeff puts it all together this year and finds a more permanent home next year. It should be an opportunity for him to start at the SF if they don't add anyone else to the roster. I like the fact that Jeff Green is betting on himself and if he plays well he will have a chance to really cash in next year when the salary cap takes another major bump. My only concern is JG is leaving a great coach in Doc Rivers and the best true PG in the league in CP3 on a championship contending team to play with the Magic who are hoping to just make the playoffs, don't have an NBA level starting PG on the roster, and have probably the worst offensive minded coach in the Association in Frank Vogel. Surprised Hibbert didn't worn JG to stay away. I also wonder why Green didn't wait a day or 2 to see how things shake out around the league once KD makes his decision. Gotta believe the way more money is flying around 15 million would still be available from various teams. Reports are out there that KD was blown away by the Clippers presentation. JG and KD are reportedly tight from there time in Seattle/OKC days and both being DMV boys. Maybe KD dropped a line to JG saying he's going to the Clippers or maybe he wanted to be a priority to a team and the opportunity to start at the 3 in Orlando was too much of an opportunity to pass up? Personally I think he would have ended up starting at the 3 with the Clippers if they struck out on KD. Maybe the rumors of discontent in the Clippers locker room are true and Jeff wanted no part of it. I myself watched JJ Redick go on ESPN's NBA show "The Jump" shortly after the Clippers playoff run ended prematurely due to the injuries that CP3 and Blake Griffin suffered and watched Redick throw Jeff Green flat under the bus and drive back and forth over him by basically saying he wasn't good enough to help the Clippers. What ever your opinion is of JG, as I will admit he hasn't consistently played up to his true abilities, as his teammate Redick should have never gone on National TV and blast Jeff Green like he did. It was real Dukish of Redick. We will probably never know of Clippers locker room situation or why he choose Orlando but here's hoping Jeff Green makes the most of his time in the Magic Kingdom. Side Note: As a newly minted Central Florida resident I'm not overly disappointed as I will get to see JG play in person a ton this season. So if he's not playing for a contender like the Clippers, I'm personally happy he will be playing in my backyard.
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Post by beenaround on Jul 3, 2016 15:47:53 GMT -5
So..Roy's backup for three years at Indiana got signed for $64 million by Wizards. Unreal. No word on anywhere on who wants Roy and what he will get.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 4, 2016 20:52:55 GMT -5
I wish somebody would give me a 1 yr, $5MM offer. I'd probably take it.
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Post by beenaround on Jul 4, 2016 21:28:29 GMT -5
I simply must not know a dam thing about this sport. I watched Roy almost take Indiana to the NBA Finals, make two All Star teams and outplay big name centers. While his awkward backup, who is the same age, Ian Mahinmi handled mopup duty. Now Roy is getting $5 million and the local team in town pays Mahinmi $64 million.
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Post by SaxaCD on Jul 4, 2016 22:25:56 GMT -5
Per Jeff Green - yes he's maddeningly inconsistent. But a team like the clippers traded for him because Doc felt he would be a good fit against warriors given his versatility. Unfortunately CP3 was injured and they didn't advance, so we will never know. But just like Otto turned it on against Toronto the year before, Jeff Green could have had a good showing. And a good showing for him and a bad showing by Barnes this finals (5-32 for his shots in game 5,6,7) means that we might have ended up where Green and Barnes salary would have been a lot closer, despite age. (Although his age and production overall certainly means Barnes will command a much larger premium, but the gap may have closed). I cringe thinking of Barnes hoisting up all those bricks on the Olympic squad.
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Post by jorand on Jul 5, 2016 8:47:04 GMT -5
I simply must not know a dam thing about this sport. I watched Roy almost take Indiana to the NBA Finals, make two All Star teams and outplay big name centers. While his awkward backup, who is the same age, Ian Mahinmi handled mopup duty. Now Roy is getting $5 million and the local team in town pays Mahinmi $64 million. That Roy Hibbert is gone unfortunately. Heck, Mahinmi is basically what Roy once was. Personally, I think with the way the game has changed,Roy's lack of athleticism was really exposed.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jul 5, 2016 9:08:14 GMT -5
I simply must not know a dam thing about this sport. I watched Roy almost take Indiana to the NBA Finals, make two All Star teams and outplay big name centers. While his awkward backup, who is the same age, Ian Mahinmi handled mopup duty. Now Roy is getting $5 million and the local team in town pays Mahinmi $64 million. That Roy Hibbert is gone unfortunately. Heck, Mahinmi is basically what Roy once was. This is a dumb statement. Mahinmi is not, and won't ever be, close to the peak Roy we saw during the All-Start seasons. Roy's defensive presence alone when verticality was a new thing was worth his "max" contract at the time (incredible how the new salary cap/tv deal has inflated salaries in just a few short years). That said, Roy is cooked. $5 mil seems like a deal for Charlotte though because he still may have something left in his tank, even from a solely defensive perspective, and $64 mil is an overpay for Mahinmi but wiz were striking out and had to spend the money somewhere. Happy for Roy because he got paid, will have spent 10+ years in the league, and is set for life financially...not a given when you are talking about a 7'2 big man with limited mobility.
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Post by jorand on Jul 5, 2016 11:24:19 GMT -5
That Roy Hibbert is gone unfortunately. Heck, Mahinmi is basically what Roy once was. This is a dumb statement. Mahinmi is not, and won't ever be, close to the peak Roy we saw during the All-Start seasons. Roy's defensive presence alone when verticality was a new thing was worth his "max" contract at the time (incredible how the new salary cap/tv deal has inflated salaries in just a few short years). That said, Roy is cooked. $5 mil seems like a deal for Charlotte though because he still may have something left in his tank, even from a solely defensive perspective, and $64 mil is an overpay for Mahinmi but wiz were striking out and had to spend the money somewhere. Happy for Roy because he got paid, will have spent 10+ years in the league, and is set for life financially...not a given when you are talking about a 7'2 big man with limited mobility. Mahinmi was one of the best defensive players in the NBA and the key cog for the Pacers D, which was basically the third best in the NBA last year. His individual impact is measured in DRPM, where he was 3rd best among centers. What makes him special is that he's so big bodied and able to stone wall low post players and eat up space in the lane and guard the rim, while also having the quickness and length to recover to shooters against small line ups. Last year Paul George played half his minutes at PF. So Indy had a defensive mismatch at PF for a huge amount of minutes and they were still an elite defense. Mahinmi was the key. So yeah, I don't think my statement was so dumb.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 5, 2016 12:16:41 GMT -5
Hibbert has definitely seen a significant decline the last couple of seasons. I think there are two things going for him. First, he will be with Patrick Ewing, who can hopefully help him out. Second, he will no longer be sharing the court with a ball-hogging inefficient guard like Kobe Bryant.
At this point, it's doubtful that Hibbert will return to his peak form a few years ago, but one would hope he can show improvement on last season and stick around for a few more seasons.
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