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Post by beenaround on Dec 12, 2014 17:30:10 GMT -5
Otto can't be labeled a "bust", unless he fails to reach expectations. The draft was extremely weak. I think most folks saw Otto as a guy with potential to be a very solid NBA starter. That was the expectation...not Michael Jordan. He clearly does not have elite athleticism, and does not do any one thing extremely well. The Wiz were expecting a smart, well rounded player who does a lot of things well, but not at an elite level. He is just 22 and still skinny as a rail. If Otto is not averaging 10 ppg and 5 rebounds by next year, on a very good team...then he will have been a disappointment, I'm guessing.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 12, 2014 17:31:52 GMT -5
These responses all mask the fact that Otto has to be considered a disappointment at the #3 pick. C'mon fellas. Someone mentioned Sam Bowie. Bowie was a bust because at #2 he underperformed expectation. What's your point? And I wasn't saying Otto was a bust because he's not Jordan. The point is that teams expect to draft impact starters with the #3 pick. The hard question for you guys apparently is how do you objectively rate Otto's performance so far? Sad to say, but he has not met anyone's expectation. Bradley Beal was the #3 pick the season prior to Otto. I would venture to say that the Wizards feel like they have gotten a very good return on Beal's selection. I hope Otto can turn it around. But we shouldn't all sugar coat what has transpired so far. It's been a disappointment. I thought he would be a very good pro by year 2. It would help if his coach didn't hate him and actually let him play more minutes.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 12, 2014 17:47:11 GMT -5
These responses all mask the fact that Otto has to be considered a disappointment at the #3 pick. C'mon fellas. Someone mentioned Sam Bowie. Bowie was a bust because at #2 he underperformed expectation. What's your point? And I wasn't saying Otto was a bust because he's not Jordan. The point is that teams expect to draft impact starters with the #3 pick. The hard question for you guys apparently is how do you objectively rate Otto's performance so far? Sad to say, but he has not met anyone's expectation. Bradley Beal was the #3 pick the season prior to Otto. I would venture to say that the Wizards feel like they have gotten a very good return on Beal's selection. I hope Otto can turn it around. But we shouldn't all sugar coat what has transpired so far. It's been a disappointment. I thought he would be a very good pro by year 2. I think you are in the minority on this one. Wizards fans are in agreement that he isn't a bust. He's been a solid pick. Under your definition of bust, pretty much everyone who isn't a franchise superstar or guy scoring at least 20 pts a game is a bust. Now he may very well turn out to be a bust because of injury (see Bowie, Greg Oden) or because he just never develops (Kwame Brown, Olowokandi) but I think it's a stretch to anoint him a bust at this point. The 3rd pick, especially in one of the weakest drafts of all time, you are basically looking for a rotation player and eventual starter. A bust is someone who is worthless to your team and the team gives up on and trades right away like Thomas Robinson, Wesley Johnson, Jimmer Fredette. Here is a list of #3 picks: As you can see 4 Superstars/Franchise Players/HOF 12 multiple All Star caliber players 12 Rotation/Solid Starter but nothing more caliber players 6 Busts 2013 Otto Porter Georgetown Washington Rotation Player2012 Bradley Beal Florida Washington All Star2011 Enes Kanter Kentucky Utah Rotation Player2010 Derrick Favors Georgia Tech New Jersey All Star2009 James Harden Arizona State Oklahoma All Star2008 O.J. Mayo USC Minnesota (Bust) 2007 Al Horford Florida Atlanta All Star2006 Adam Morrison Gonzaga Portland (Bust)2005 Deron Williams Illinois Jr. Utah All Star2004 Ben Gordon UConn Jr. Chicago Rotation Player2003 Carmelo Anthony Syracuse Fr. Denver Super Star2002 Mike Dunleavy Duke Jr. Golden State Rotation Player2001 Pau Gasol Spain Memphis All Star2000 Darius Miles HSSr. LA Clippers (Bust)1999 Baron Davis UCLA So. NO Hornets All Star1998 Raef LaFrentz Kansas Denver (Bust)1997 Chauncey Billups Colorado Boston Bust to Rotation Player to All Star1996 Shareef Abdur-Rahim California Vancouver All Star1995 Jerry Stackhouse North Carolina Philadelphia Rotation Player 1994 Grant Hill Duke Detroit All Star1993 Anfernee Hardaway MemphisState Golden State All Star1992 Christian Laettner Duke Minnesota Rotation Player1991 Billy Owens Syracuse Sacramento Rotation Player1990 Chris Jackson Louisiana State Denver Rotation Player1989 Sean Elliott Arizona San Antonio All Star1988 Charles Smith Pittsburgh Philadelphia Rotation Player1987 Dennis Hopson Ohio State New Jersey (Bust)1986 Chris Washburn North Carolina State Golden State (Bust)1985 Benoit Benjamin Creighton LA Clippers Rotation Player1984 Michael Jordan North Carolina Chicago Goat1983 Rodney McCray Louisville Houston Rotation Player1982 Dominique Wilkins Georgia Utah HOF1981 Buck Williams Maryland New Jersey All Star1980 Kevin McHale Minnesota Boston HOFwww.mynbadraft.com/nba-draft-picks/3rd-overall/30509/Nearly everyone labeled as "Rotation Player" had a lengthy NBA career as a starter and 12-18 ppg impact. Otto is young, and has loads of time to prove himself. But most of the guys you mentioned as Rotation Players we logging big minutes by year 2 and in the 12-18ppg range. I think this list supports my argument - at present Otto is at the bottom of what could be considered a "Rotation player," and teetering on the edge of the bust line if he doesn't get it going. I'm just afraid for his legacy. It is a man's game, and he's looking a little overwhelmed to my eye.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 12, 2014 18:08:24 GMT -5
Year 2 Statistics for #3 Pick Labeled "Rotation Players"
Player Games Started/Games PPG
Otto Porter 0/20 6.1 Kanter 2/70 7.2 (became starter in year 3) Ben Gordon 47/80 16.9 Stackhouse 81/81 20.7 Laettner 67/70 16.8 Billups 41/45 13.9 (injured) Owens 37/37 16.5 (injured) Jackson 11/81 10.3 (blew up in year 3 to 20ppg) Smith 76/78 21.1 McCray 82/82 14.4 Benjamin 61/72 11.5
Otto has some work to do. There are a couple examples of #3 picks who took 3 years to develop (Kanter and Chris Jackson). But most of these guys were pretty legit NBA starters by year 2.
It's what you expect from he #3 pick in any draft, regardless of depth of talent.
And let's not stoop so low as to blame to coach for playing time argument. I hear enough of that from our high school team.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 12, 2014 18:41:39 GMT -5
Year 2 Statistics for #3 Pick Labeled "Rotation Players" Player Games Started/Games PPG Otto Porter 0/20 6.1 Kanter 2/70 7.2 (became starter in year 3) Ben Gordon 47/80 16.9 Stackhouse 81/81 20.7 Laettner 67/70 16.8 Billups 41/45 13.9 (injured) Owens 37/37 16.5 (injured) Jackson 11/81 10.3 (blew up in year 3 to 20ppg) Smith 76/78 21.1 McCray 82/82 14.4 Benjamin 61/72 11.5 Otto has some work to do. There are a couple examples of #3 picks who took 3 years to develop (Kanter and Chris Jackson). But most of these guys were pretty legit NBA starters by year 2. It's what you expect from he #3 pick in any draft, regardless of depth of talent. And let's not stoop so low as to blame to coach for playing time argument. I hear enough of that from our high school team. Billups was traded away halfway through his rookie years as Pitino gave up on him. Then he was traded again by Toronto to Denver at the beginning of his 2nd year. All 3 teams were horrible which accounts his 13.9 ppg but he shot in the 30% for FG. What is Otto's FG? Your stat is misleading because all it account for is points. If you are on a bad team which most of those guys were (save Rodney Mcray) you are going to get shots and points. Look at Otto's per 36 stats. Very solid, especially his rebounding numbers www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porteot01.htmlPippen's rookie year, Scottie averaged only 7.9 pts per game, 2 rebounds and didn't start. Under your rubric Scottie Pippen would have been considered a bust at that point. If Otto were putting up these numbers on the 76ers then maybe you could say he's a bust but chances are that Otto would be putting up alot better stats if he were on the 76ers or some other perennial doormat because he would be getting alot more minutes.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 13, 2014 7:58:37 GMT -5
Don't look now, but someone is developing into Mr. Consistency: Jeff with 28 and 6 last night.
* it should be noted that Melo was "defending" him last night.
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Post by dense on Dec 13, 2014 10:44:16 GMT -5
Otto has gotten rave reviews this season for his ability to do the little things. Whitman is a notorious "I'll play the vets heavy minutes" coach. When Webster gets back in a couple of games will be interesting to see what the Wizards do.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 13, 2014 11:31:14 GMT -5
Don't look now, but someone is developing into Mr. Consistency: Jeff with 28 and 6 last night. * it should be noted that Melo was "defending" him last night. The only thing that Melo is defending these days is his no-trade clause and his "devotion" to the Knicks (read that as his $125 million contract).
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 13, 2014 13:15:41 GMT -5
These responses all mask the fact that Otto has to be considered a disappointment at the #3 pick. C'mon fellas. Someone mentioned Sam Bowie. Bowie was a bust because at #2 he underperformed expectation. What's your point? And I wasn't saying Otto was a bust because he's not Jordan. The point is that teams expect to draft impact starters with the #3 pick. The hard question for you guys apparently is how do you objectively rate Otto's performance so far? Sad to say, but he has not met anyone's expectation. Bradley Beal was the #3 pick the season prior to Otto. I would venture to say that the Wizards feel like they have gotten a very good return on Beal's selection. I hope Otto can turn it around. But we shouldn't all sugar coat what has transpired so far. It's been a disappointment. I thought he would be a very good pro by year 2. You can't declare someone a bust in year two when it looks like they have all the tools to be successful and have been effective when playing.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 14, 2014 19:34:42 GMT -5
These responses all mask the fact that Otto has to be considered a disappointment at the #3 pick. C'mon fellas. Someone mentioned Sam Bowie. Bowie was a bust because at #2 he underperformed expectation. What's your point? And I wasn't saying Otto was a bust because he's not Jordan. The point is that teams expect to draft impact starters with the #3 pick. The hard question for you guys apparently is how do you objectively rate Otto's performance so far? Sad to say, but he has not met anyone's expectation. Bradley Beal was the #3 pick the season prior to Otto. I would venture to say that the Wizards feel like they have gotten a very good return on Beal's selection. I hope Otto can turn it around. But we shouldn't all sugar coat what has transpired so far. It's been a disappointment. I thought he would be a very good pro by year 2. You can't declare someone a bust in year two when it looks like they have all the tools to be successful and have been effective when playing. Add to that that Otto is only 21 years-old. Let's give him a break to mature.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Dec 14, 2014 22:39:54 GMT -5
Sixers blew a lead and lost in OT last night, but Hollis and Henry were a combined 12-13 from the floor, 5-5 from 3 (all Hollis), 4-4 from the line, 9 rebounds and 4 steals.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 14, 2014 23:05:12 GMT -5
Don't look now, but someone is developing into Mr. Consistency: Jeff with 28 and 6 last night. * it should be noted that Melo was "defending" him last night. He did all he could at the end of that game. And looked good doing it. Jeff is better when he stays aggressive. His ability to get to the rack has improved dramatically.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 14, 2014 23:13:24 GMT -5
All Otto needs is guaranteed minutes.
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Post by dreamhoya on Dec 15, 2014 8:13:46 GMT -5
You can't declare someone a bust in year two when it looks like they have all the tools to be successful and have been effective when playing. Add to that that Otto is only 21 years-old. Let's give him a break to mature. IMHO I think Otto will have a couple All-Stars in his career - not perennially, but a good, solid, career at least. Right now, coach is playing him like JTIII is playing Bowen.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 15, 2014 11:40:53 GMT -5
OH henry consistantly out doing noel yup very good roy whats happening ?? not doing much of late.. greg aok adn jeff AWESOME> yup some pretty good hoyas and hollis had 21 the other nite GO HOYAS ONE AND ALL>
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 15, 2014 14:02:39 GMT -5
Wow - where to start?
Chauncey Billups -- My take is that Billups had made a significantly bigger impact in his 2nd season than Otto is having now. Slight edge to Otto in eFG% (48.1 vs. 47.2), but Chauncey started most games he played and definitely made a bigger impact before he injured his knee. The per 36 minute comparison shows that Billups would have scored at a 15.1 clip, compared to Otto's 10.3. Chauncey averaged more assists and steals, Otto is grabbing more rebounds and blocks -- not unexpected given the different positions played. The ORtgs for both players were equivalent, while Billups posted a meaningfully superior DRtg (113 vs. 103). Billups shot an astonishing 91.3% from FT line. Otto still has time to improve his year 2 stats obviously, but with 25% of the season logged, he needs to make a pretty good jump up to challenge Billups for year 2 impact.
Scottie Pippen -- You really want to go here? I would not have labeled Pippen a bust in year 1 because the entire discussion we have been having is how much of an impact Otto is having by year 2. By year 2, Pippen started 56/73 games and averaged 14.4 ppg. He became an all-star in year 3. His per 36 minutes stats vs. Otto are not even in the same ballpark. Pippen was a stat sheet stuffer by year 2, much moreso that Otto at this point.
People are saying that Otto is not getting a chance to prove himself as a starter. But the hard question to ask is why did the Wizards acquire Paul Pierce and why are they playing Butler more minutes than Otto? The only objective conclusion we can make is that the Wizards have decided that Otto is not good enough to start and is currently 3rd on the SF depth chart. I don't believe the #3 pick is drafted to be the third string player at his position in year 2. This has to be graded as a disappointment. The good thing for Otto is that Pierce and Butler are old, so if he can prove himself, the SF position should open up for him in next year or 2 (assuming the Wizards do not draft or trade for a new SF over Otto again).
People are also saying that the 2013 draft was weak and are using that as an excuse for Otto's expectations. When you look across the Top 15 selections of the 2013 draft, it does appear weak in that it lacks marquee immediate high impact players. Even so, it is worth comparing Otto against his 2013 peers to see how well he is doing among this weak draft cohort.
12 of the Top 15 players drafted in 2013 have started at least 2 games this season. 8 of 15 are averaging double digit points. Of the 3 players who have not started a single game in 2013 (Porter at #3, Len at #5, McCollum at #10), Porter has the lowest per 36 minute ppg, lowest eFG%, lowest DRtg, and middle ranked ORtg.
You can debate this a bit, but of the Top 15 players selected in 2013, there is a decent argument to make that Otto has made the smallest impact and is the biggest disappointment, especially given his #3 selection. And there is no debating that he is among the bottom 5 players within the Top 15 players selected in 2013.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 15, 2014 15:24:18 GMT -5
These responses all mask the fact that Otto has to be considered a disappointment at the #3 pick. C'mon fellas. Someone mentioned Sam Bowie. Bowie was a bust because at #2 he underperformed expectation. What's your point? And I wasn't saying Otto was a bust because he's not Jordan. The point is that teams expect to draft impact starters with the #3 pick. The hard question for you guys apparently is how do you objectively rate Otto's performance so far? Sad to say, but he has not met anyone's expectation. Bradley Beal was the #3 pick the season prior to Otto. I would venture to say that the Wizards feel like they have gotten a very good return on Beal's selection. I hope Otto can turn it around. But we shouldn't all sugar coat what has transpired so far. It's been a disappointment. I thought he would be a very good pro by year 2. I think you are in the minority on this one. Wizards fans are in agreement that he isn't a bust. He's been a solid pick. Under your definition of bust, pretty much everyone who isn't a franchise superstar or guy scoring at least 20 pts a game is a bust. Now he may very well turn out to be a bust because of injury (see Bowie, Greg Oden) or because he just never develops (Kwame Brown, Olowokandi) but I think it's a stretch to anoint him a bust at this point. The 3rd pick, especially in one of the weakest drafts of all time, you are basically looking for a rotation player and eventual starter. A bust is someone who is worthless to your team and the team gives up on and trades right away like Thomas Robinson, Wesley Johnson, Jimmer Fredette. Here is a list of #3 picks: As you can see 4 Superstars/Franchise Players/HOF 12 multiple All Star caliber players 12 Rotation/Solid Starter but nothing more caliber players 6 Busts 2013 Otto Porter Georgetown Washington Rotation Player2012 Bradley Beal Florida Washington All Star2011 Enes Kanter Kentucky Utah Rotation Player2010 Derrick Favors Georgia Tech New Jersey All Star2009 James Harden Arizona State Oklahoma All Star2008 O.J. Mayo USC Minnesota (Bust) 2007 Al Horford Florida Atlanta All Star2006 Adam Morrison Gonzaga Portland (Bust)2005 Deron Williams Illinois Jr. Utah All Star2004 Ben Gordon UConn Jr. Chicago Rotation Player2003 Carmelo Anthony Syracuse Fr. Denver Super Star2002 Mike Dunleavy Duke Jr. Golden State Rotation Player2001 Pau Gasol Spain Memphis All Star2000 Darius Miles HSSr. LA Clippers (Bust)1999 Baron Davis UCLA So. NO Hornets All Star1998 Raef LaFrentz Kansas Denver (Bust)1997 Chauncey Billups Colorado Boston Bust to Rotation Player to All Star1996 Shareef Abdur-Rahim California Vancouver All Star1995 Jerry Stackhouse North Carolina Philadelphia Rotation Player 1994 Grant Hill Duke Detroit All Star1993 Anfernee Hardaway MemphisState Golden State All Star1992 Christian Laettner Duke Minnesota Rotation Player1991 Billy Owens Syracuse Sacramento Rotation Player1990 Chris Jackson Louisiana State Denver Rotation Player1989 Sean Elliott Arizona San Antonio All Star1988 Charles Smith Pittsburgh Philadelphia Rotation Player1987 Dennis Hopson Ohio State New Jersey (Bust)1986 Chris Washburn North Carolina State Golden State (Bust)1985 Benoit Benjamin Creighton LA Clippers Rotation Player1984 Michael Jordan North Carolina Chicago Goat1983 Rodney McCray Louisville Houston Rotation Player1982 Dominique Wilkins Georgia Utah HOF1981 Buck Williams Maryland New Jersey All Star1980 Kevin McHale Minnesota Boston HOFwww.mynbadraft.com/nba-draft-picks/3rd-overall/30509/Did a quick review of the players labeled bust on your list. In my mind, Adam Morrison and Chris Washburn were the only true busts. Bust means basically no production and out of the league quickly. OJ Mayo started 164/164 games his first two years and averaged 18ppg. He lost his starting role after that, and his production has declined, but I don't believe you can label him anywhere near a bust. Before his injury, Darius Miles gave 6 years of consistent 11 ppg/5rpg/2apg production while starting nearly half his 412 games played. Major disappointment? Perhaps, although he was drafted out of high school so his selection came with some increased risk. But not a total bust. Raef LaFrentz gave 4 years of consistent 13ppg/8rpg production and started nearly every game he played during that period. Major disappointment? Perhaps. Total bust? No. Dennis Hopson started 36/62 games in year 2 and scored 13ppg. In year 3, he started 64/79 games and scored 16 ppg. Production dropped off after year 3. Big time disappointment? Yes. Total bust? Close, but not quite. Of all the #3 draft selections going back to 1980 (34 players), Otto is ahead of only Adam Morrison and Chris Washburn in terms of impact and production in year 2.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 15, 2014 15:24:37 GMT -5
Wow - where to start? Chauncey Billups -- My take is that Billups had made a significantly bigger impact in his 2nd season than Otto is having now. Slight edge to Otto in eFG% (48.1 vs. 47.2), but Chauncey started most games he played and definitely made a bigger impact before he injured his knee. The per 36 minute comparison shows that Billups would have scored at a 15.1 clip, compared to Otto's 10.3. Chauncey averaged more assists and steals, Otto is grabbing more rebounds and blocks -- not unexpected given the different positions played. The ORtgs for both players were equivalent, while Billups posted a meaningfully superior DRtg (113 vs. 103). Billups shot an astonishing 91.3% from FT line. Otto still has time to improve his year 2 stats obviously, but with 25% of the season logged, he needs to make a pretty good jump up to challenge Billups for year 2 impact. Scottie Pippen -- You really want to go here? I would not have labeled Pippen a bust in year 1 because the entire discussion we have been having is how much of an impact Otto is having by year 2. By year 2, Pippen started 56/73 games and averaged 14.4 ppg. He became an all-star in year 3. His per 36 minutes stats vs. Otto are not even in the same ballpark. Pippen was a stat sheet stuffer by year 2, much moreso that Otto at this point. People are saying that Otto is not getting a chance to prove himself as a starter. But the hard question to ask is why did the Wizards acquire Paul Pierce and why are they playing Butler more minutes than Otto? The only objective conclusion we can make is that the Wizards have decided that Otto is not good enough to start and is currently 3rd on the SF depth chart. I don't believe the #3 pick is drafted to be the third string player at his position in year 2. This has to be graded as a disappointment. The good thing for Otto is that Pierce and Butler are old, so if he can prove himself, the SF position should open up for him in next year or 2 (assuming the Wizards do not draft or trade for a new SF over Otto again). People are also saying that the 2013 draft was weak and are using that as an excuse for Otto's expectations. When you look across the Top 15 selections of the 2013 draft, it does appear weak in that it lacks marquee immediate high impact players. Even so, it is worth comparing Otto against his 2013 peers to see how well he is doing among this weak draft cohort. 12 of the Top 15 players drafted in 2013 have started at least 2 games this season. 8 of 15 are averaging double digit points. Of the 3 players who have not started a single game in 2013 (Porter at #3, Len at #5, McCollum at #10), Porter has the lowest per 36 minute ppg, lowest eFG%, lowest DRtg, and middle ranked ORtg. You can debate this a bit, but of the Top 15 players selected in 2013, there is a decent argument to make that Otto has made the smallest impact and is the biggest disappointment, especially given his #3 selection. And there is no debating that he is among the bottom 5 players within the Top 15 players selected in 2013. Dude, give it up. You're the only one on here that thinks he's a bust. It's clear you have an agenda and/or vendetta.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 15, 2014 15:47:06 GMT -5
Wow - where to start? Chauncey Billups -- My take is that Billups had made a significantly bigger impact in his 2nd season than Otto is having now. Slight edge to Otto in eFG% (48.1 vs. 47.2), but Chauncey started most games he played and definitely made a bigger impact before he injured his knee. The per 36 minute comparison shows that Billups would have scored at a 15.1 clip, compared to Otto's 10.3. Chauncey averaged more assists and steals, Otto is grabbing more rebounds and blocks -- not unexpected given the different positions played. The ORtgs for both players were equivalent, while Billups posted a meaningfully superior DRtg (113 vs. 103). Billups shot an astonishing 91.3% from FT line. Otto still has time to improve his year 2 stats obviously, but with 25% of the season logged, he needs to make a pretty good jump up to challenge Billups for year 2 impact. Scottie Pippen -- You really want to go here? I would not have labeled Pippen a bust in year 1 because the entire discussion we have been having is how much of an impact Otto is having by year 2. By year 2, Pippen started 56/73 games and averaged 14.4 ppg. He became an all-star in year 3. His per 36 minutes stats vs. Otto are not even in the same ballpark. Pippen was a stat sheet stuffer by year 2, much moreso that Otto at this point. People are saying that Otto is not getting a chance to prove himself as a starter. But the hard question to ask is why did the Wizards acquire Paul Pierce and why are they playing Butler more minutes than Otto? The only objective conclusion we can make is that the Wizards have decided that Otto is not good enough to start and is currently 3rd on the SF depth chart. I don't believe the #3 pick is drafted to be the third string player at his position in year 2. This has to be graded as a disappointment. The good thing for Otto is that Pierce and Butler are old, so if he can prove himself, the SF position should open up for him in next year or 2 (assuming the Wizards do not draft or trade for a new SF over Otto again). People are also saying that the 2013 draft was weak and are using that as an excuse for Otto's expectations. When you look across the Top 15 selections of the 2013 draft, it does appear weak in that it lacks marquee immediate high impact players. Even so, it is worth comparing Otto against his 2013 peers to see how well he is doing among this weak draft cohort. 12 of the Top 15 players drafted in 2013 have started at least 2 games this season. 8 of 15 are averaging double digit points. Of the 3 players who have not started a single game in 2013 (Porter at #3, Len at #5, McCollum at #10), Porter has the lowest per 36 minute ppg, lowest eFG%, lowest DRtg, and middle ranked ORtg. You can debate this a bit, but of the Top 15 players selected in 2013, there is a decent argument to make that Otto has made the smallest impact and is the biggest disappointment, especially given his #3 selection. And there is no debating that he is among the bottom 5 players within the Top 15 players selected in 2013. Lol do some fact checking they're playing Pierce because he's a future HOFer and adds a dimension to the offense that was not there last year and not many teams have the luxury of. Butler is leading (or was) the NBA in 3pt percentage at a pretty decent attempt rate. That says more about the than it does Otto. Pierce was real cheap and still is a very valuable player, that's why they acquired him, not because they didn't have faith in Otto. They actually let Ariza walk after a career year because they had faith in Otto...
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 15, 2014 15:47:17 GMT -5
Never said he was a definite bust. Said like he was looking like a bust if he doesn't improve. I am fearful. I love Otto, but you can't say he has met expectations under any analysis of the facts and comparisons.
He's the 10th man right now and seeing his minutes cut as the season goes on. Not looking good at present. Would cheer a turn around!
I think it's weird more people don't see the facts as I do.
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