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Post by LizziebethHoya on Nov 9, 2011 18:47:23 GMT -5
Good question. My friend is currently distraught and beating herself up over this wondering how she didn't notice and why she didn't do anything. I mean, there's no way your friend could have truly known. I'm sure there were tons of people in her same position. In hindsight, she should have said something but hindsight is just that...hindsight. It's all the people that COULD have truly known or truly did know thats killing me. It's not limited to PSU staff, or janitors (the circumstances in which these boys found themselves under his care were not only tied to his role at PSU). It extends to the school administrators at the boys' schools (I skimmed the report, and I think there was mention of this if I remembered correctly), to the parents of these boys, to really anyone who was in a position of power to question why this guy had sleepovers with one boy at his home. You never want to think someone you know was sexually abusing anyone, but apart from a situation where a boy had to be removed from his home due to parental abuse, why would a grown man want to invite a boy to sleep over at his house? There's just a lot of things I don't understand here, and while it reflects poorly on PSU as an institution, I think it reflects more how the community/society failed these boys. That's the saddest part.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 9, 2011 22:03:08 GMT -5
PA news is reporting that Paterno is done coaching. twitter.com/#!/Jim_Gardner/status/134462467542749184 The Board is doing the right thing and cleaning house
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Nov 9, 2011 22:29:57 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 9, 2011 22:36:17 GMT -5
The trustee press conference is a farce. When asked about student reaction, their basic reaction was, "well, the local police can take care of it."
These trustees deserve to go right out the door. Maybe the students need to show them that door.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 9, 2011 22:37:49 GMT -5
Some of the reporters at that press conference were a farce. The Trustees did exactly the right thing.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 9, 2011 22:47:54 GMT -5
The trustee press conference is a farce. When asked about student reaction, their basic reaction was, "well, the local police can take care of it." These trustees deserve to go right out the door. Maybe the students need to show them that door. What did you want them to say?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 9, 2011 22:57:43 GMT -5
Trustees are not overlords. The PSU system has problems bigger than this issue and their collective conduct over the years should have sent all of them packing years ago. Those standing behind the chairman had all the markings of a palace coup.
I could give you a half hour discussion on this whole mess but you can ask me at halftime of a game.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 9, 2011 23:01:51 GMT -5
DFW, it should be noted that many of the members of that board were placed there by, and are VERY supportive of, Joe Paterno. That university is very broken and kudos to them, as dysfunctional as they may be, for taking action now to try to start correcting it.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 9, 2011 23:15:27 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Nov 9, 2011 23:41:55 GMT -5
Glad that old, cowardly bastard didn't get to go out on his terms. I think he's already shown that he could care less about the kids and their well being--his actions or lack of any are proof. However, he was likely trying to do what he's done the last 10 years, make sure he got 1 last game--to set a record and then get his "send off" from the throngs of people who buy this bullcrap that he is responsible for their university mattering. He's as bad as Sandusky and McQueary is even lower form of life then Paterno.
Here's the next thing to watch--will this old cowardly scumball have the guts to talk to media? He's not employed by PSU any longer--so TALK. I don't want to hear any "I don't remember" bull**** either. The guy could lead a FB program (I doubt that but since he was allowed to be given credit for others work, he can't use excuse of being an old man with this issue) but he can't remember what a member of his staff told him or what he discussed with Sandusky? I'd like to know why he made FB an issue this week when it's obviously secondary to what matters? When is last time he had contact with Sandusky? What tone/matter has he spoken about Sandusky in public gatherings--be it Booster Events, Speaking Engagements, to former players, etc.....??
If he fails to address this, we've got our answer. Cowards and gutless people aren't always weak or poor. They often live behind the protection and bully their way through life and when the bully is asked to respond to adversity, they hide and run like the scum they always were. Paterno cared more about winning FB games, and a CFB record then he did people and for that--he will get his.
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Post by guru on Nov 9, 2011 23:45:38 GMT -5
Whoa. I think Paterno has acted horribly in this situation, and going back a long time, but "he's as bad as Sandusky"?
No way.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 9, 2011 23:52:25 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 9, 2011 23:55:21 GMT -5
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Post by theexorcist on Nov 9, 2011 23:59:06 GMT -5
Whoa. I think Paterno has acted horribly in this situation, and going back a long time, but "he's as bad as Sandusky"? No way. Sandusky got a lot of his value from continuing to be associated with Penn State, which Paterno condoned. When kids want to go and attend Sandusky's camps to get their own "Nittany Lion" T-shirt, then Paterno's enabling him. At a certain point, he's just as bad.
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Post by RDF on Nov 9, 2011 23:59:41 GMT -5
Whoa. I think Paterno has acted horribly in this situation, and going back a long time, but "he's as bad as Sandusky"? No way. A psychotic person is going to act in that manner and is a lost cause. A rationale person knowing deviant behavior is taking place, and that act is tormenting children and ruining their lives, and leaving it to "I passed it on...." and then allowing the individual access to the football program--WITH children and not making certain the issue was handled is lower form of life. He knew what was taking place and so did McQueary. They didn't do a damn thing. As Jay Bilas said--when they told Sandusky--"you can't bring kids to campus" they are saying "It's ok if you do that on your own time--just not at Penn State". Guru--how would you feel if it was your child/grandchild, and I knew of this behavior and just passed it on to others and didn't follow up? Even worse--if I witnessed the behavior and did nothing? Child molestation is as low as it gets and I include someone who allows this predator to function and continue his acts. To me--Paterno and McQueary deserve same punishment as Sandusky--and I could care if they continue as part of the human race.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 10, 2011 0:00:13 GMT -5
I have no idea what other issues PSU may be facing, nor how capable (or not) the board has been. But on this one issue, they absolutely did the right thing, the only thing they could do.
Paterno is at the center of this whole mess and -- at best -- simply passed the ball. He has to be accountable for his actions and for the suffering and long term damage to all those kids.. and probably many more who have not yet been identified. Frankly, being told he has to retire a few games early is a pretty soft penalty given the circumstances.
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Post by TC on Nov 10, 2011 0:00:44 GMT -5
Someone explain to me the reaction to reaction of the Penn State students, because I don't get it. I've been watching ESPN and CNN (flipping back and forth), and it seems like both networks were openly rooting for a riot, didn't get one, and are basically trying to push the narrative towards the idea that a bunch of college kids are outside chanting and a bunch more have their cameraphones out constitutes a riot.
I don't agree with the students, I think the trustees did the right thing, but the coverage it is getting like this is some volatile and unsafe scene - where exactly is the video of this? You would think this was the Los Angeles riots or a protest to a G8 summit, or a disappointing flower show in Vancouver given how the cable newsers were covering this.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 10, 2011 0:00:54 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 10, 2011 0:01:33 GMT -5
ESPN is good at fanning flames, plan and simple. Ask Mike Leach, they're very good at it.
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Post by guru on Nov 10, 2011 0:04:58 GMT -5
Whoa. I think Paterno has acted horribly in this situation, and going back a long time, but "he's as bad as Sandusky"? No way. A psychotic person is going to act in that manner and is a lost cause. A rationale person knowing deviant behavior is taking place, and that act is tormenting children and ruining their lives, and leaving it to "I passed it on...." and then allowing the individual access to the football program--WITH children and not making certain the issue was handled is lower form of life. He knew what was taking place and so did McQueary. They didn't do a damn thing. As Jay Bilas said--when they told Sandusky--"you can't bring kids to campus" they are saying "It's ok if you do that on your own time--just not at Penn State". Guru--how would you feel if it was your child/grandchild, and I knew of this behavior and just passed it on to others and didn't follow up? Even worse--if I witnessed the behavior and did nothing? Child molestation is as low as it gets and I include someone who allows this predator to function and continue his acts. To me--Paterno and McQueary deserve same punishment as Sandusky--and I could care if they continue as part of the human race. Paterno can rot in hell for all I care. I'd just place Sandusky on a lower rung of hell.
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