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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 18, 2011 20:05:00 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Oct 19, 2011 8:21:52 GMT -5
I heard the clips from that interview on WEEI. Holy. Cow. Varitek pretty much says that he has respect for the position of manager, but no respect for Terry Francona, and then later says in the interview that they need a hardass next year as a manager to keep everyone in line.
Also, I don't believe Lackey, Lester, and Beckett for a second on the drinking in the dugout story. I'm sure they did it and I'm wondering if there is a severability clause or something that could be triggered on something like that that they are actively trying to avoid.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 19, 2011 8:31:14 GMT -5
Sounding more and more like whoever dropped the dime on Francona is a disgruntled coach, player, or staff person. Hugely entertaining stuff.
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Post by RDF on Oct 19, 2011 11:28:12 GMT -5
So it was "awesome" when Millar and the boys spiked the gatorade in '04 Postseason, but now it's frowned upon to have some beers when you aren't pitching? Just want to get in line with what is "cool" and "Cowboy Up" and what isn't?
Francona did a fine job--but it was time to move on--happens everywhere and at least he/organization did this unlike some who allow people to be mediocre for several years due to time served and past success.
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 19, 2011 11:39:23 GMT -5
So it was "awesome" when Millar and the boys spiked the gatorade in '04 Postseason, but now it's frowned upon to have some beers when you aren't pitching? Just want to get in line with what is "cool" and "Cowboy Up" and what isn't? Francona did a fine job--but it was time to move on--happens everywhere and at least he/organization did this unlike some who allow people to be mediocre for several years due to time served and past success. Ozzie Guillan resembles that remark.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 19, 2011 12:25:58 GMT -5
Are we really putting this on the manager? Unless the ownership is willing to ship people out of town/support a benching, this happens to the average manager all the time. The folks who demand respect for many years without having to pull a power play are few and far between. Even LaRussa needed Cardinals management to back him up by shipping Rasmus out of town.
I'm not saying Francona's a great manager -- but over time most managers lose the average millionaire athlete, and ownership usually just gets a new manager, further cementing that the player can do what he wants.
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Post by TC on Oct 19, 2011 14:58:45 GMT -5
Are we really putting this on the manager? Unless the ownership is willing to ship people out of town/support a benching, this happens to the average manager all the time. The folks who demand respect for many years without having to pull a power play are few and far between. Even LaRussa needed Cardinals management to back him up by shipping Rasmus out of town. I'm not saying Francona's a great manager -- but over time most managers lose the average millionaire athlete, and ownership usually just gets a new manager, further cementing that the player can do what he wants. I don't think it's about it being on the manager, I think it's more that you have a roster of selfish, entitled jerks that have proven they will run all over Francona, so they have to replace him. And that's pretty much the position that Francona took when he left.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 23, 2011 17:34:12 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 25, 2011 10:49:07 GMT -5
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