SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 11, 2011 20:10:03 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 12, 2011 0:29:25 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 12, 2011 8:11:51 GMT -5
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 12, 2011 9:33:26 GMT -5
If true, sayonara Red Sox. Spoken like a true Yanks fan. That's true. Why? 1. They are naming Charington (Theo's top Asst.) as the new head man. Just like GU named Esherick, JT's top asst., to be the new head guy. 2. Yank fans know full well that when Steinbrenner fired and/or undermined his top baseball people to take control himself, the Yanks took a nose dive. Now, Sox ownership is following exactly that game plan. They believe the last 10 years of success the Sox enjoyed, following 86 years of futility, was all due to them -- not Theo and not Tito. Too bad for "Red Sox Nation" (whoever that is) and for those who enjoy the Yankee-Sox rivalry that the Sox will now go wander in the desert for the next 40 years. Of course, they have started their "Smear Tito" campaign already. I'm sure Theo will get the same treatment soon too. |
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Post by guru on Oct 12, 2011 9:47:03 GMT -5
Spoken like a true Yanks fan. That's true. Why? 1. They are naming Charington (Theo's top Asst.) as the new head man. Just like GU named Esherick, JT's top asst., to be the new head guy. 2. Yank fans know full well that when Steinbrenner fired and/or undermined his top baseball people to take control himself, the Yanks took a nose dive. Now, Sox ownership is following exactly that game plan. They believe the last 10 years of success the Sox enjoyed, following 86 years of futility, was all due to them -- not Theo and not Tito. Too bad for "Red Sox Nation" (whoever that is) and for those who enjoy the Yankee-Sox rivalry that the Sox will now go wander in the desert for the next 40 years. Of course, they have started their "Smear Tito" campaign already. I'm sure Theo will get the same treatment soon too. It's amusing to watch fans of two utterly soulless organizations argue about which is more virtuous. Fortunately, we Cardinals fans have other things to occupy us this October.  |
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AvantGuardHoya
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Oct 12, 2011 10:15:11 GMT -5
I see Saxa's wishful thinking is in full bloom. Sounds like you're praying the Sox are in for an ongoing swoon. Don't bet on it, bro!
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FormerHoya
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Post by FormerHoya on Oct 12, 2011 10:24:47 GMT -5
Is Theo going to pitch or bat third for those stupid worthless bums on the North Side?
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Oct 12, 2011 11:43:12 GMT -5
TVBP alert -
I went to a Sox-A's weekday day game in Oakland in the late summer of 2006. It was the tail end of the lackluster 2006 season for the Sox and the A's already had the AL West all locked up.
I managed to get myself down to the seats just above the Sox dugout and found myself sitting next to Theo. This was only a season removed from his gorilla suit escape, brief hiatus, and return to the Sox. Anyways, Theo couldn't have been a nicer guy. He was very engaging, open and willing to talk baseball. He talked about the possibility of the Sox signing Zito and Schmidt - who would be free agents that off-season - and he was rightly dismissive. He told us his sites were set on a certain Japanese pitcher. Told us he would be a game changer...
I wish him well and think he'll do great in Chicago.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 12, 2011 12:04:54 GMT -5
I see Saxa's wishful thinking is in full bloom. Sounds like you're praying the Sox are in for an ongoing swoon. Don't bet on it, bro! HA! No praying, just observation. When the owners think it's all about them -- e.g Jerry Jones, Al Davis, Goerge Steinbrenner, Dan Snyder -- the team invariably suffers. Thinking ownership had more to do with their 2004 and 2007 success than Theo and Tito did? That is Steinbrennerian! But, if you want to buy-in to what Sox ownership is selling AGH, go for it! |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Oct 12, 2011 12:06:34 GMT -5
I think he would be a loss for the Sox, but consider the possibilities--if Theo was able to turn the Cubs into pennant winners, he would be instantly be considered the greatest GM since Branch Rickey and arguably the greatest ever. I think it provides a competitive challenge for him.
Nothing is impossible in pro sports--ask the Texas Rangers.
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AvantGuardHoya
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Oct 12, 2011 13:36:33 GMT -5
I have a certain respect for the Sox ownership, Saxa. Takes nothing away from Theo. Don't see them throwing Epstein under the bus -- he clearly wants to take on the challenge in Chicago. Bully for him. But the Red Sox will manage. And quite well, I do think. We ain't dead yet!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 12, 2011 13:51:24 GMT -5
No GM is ever going to top Rickey. He not only led the integration of the game, but he also created the modern farm system. And he built THREE franchises winners (although he left the Pirates early and the Dodgers were not bad before him).
The modern game is completely different; before I'd even rate Theo as even the top GM of the FA era or the top right now, he'd need to win with a team without a $100M+ budget. I don't believe in the whole curse thing, so him winning with the Sox and at some point with the Cubs has more to do with prior incompetence than level of difficulty.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 12, 2011 13:52:17 GMT -5
I have a certain respect for the Sox ownership, Saxa. Takes nothing away from Theo. Don't see them throwing Epstein under the bus -- he clearly wants to take on the challenge in Chicago. Bully for him. But the Red Sox will manage. And quite well, I do think. We ain't dead yet! Larry Lucchino is the best executive/owner in baseball. |
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AvantGuardHoya
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Oct 12, 2011 14:24:11 GMT -5
I have a certain respect for the Sox ownership, Saxa. Takes nothing away from Theo. Don't see them throwing Epstein under the bus -- he clearly wants to take on the challenge in Chicago. Bully for him. But the Red Sox will manage. And quite well, I do think. We ain't dead yet! Larry Lucchino is the best executive/owner in baseball. That may be true. What I do know for certain is that he brought Theo with him from San Diego when he became Sox COO, making Epstein the youngest GM in baseball. And while their relationship soured, that move was clearly a win. As I said before, I believe Lucchino and company will find a way to right the Sox ship. |
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Post by TC on Oct 12, 2011 15:28:57 GMT -5
I can't wait for the stories about Theo smoking crack in the clubhouse and petitioning for trades for Chone Figgins and Juan Pierre's terrible contracts to come out.
Good lord, Larry Lucchino is just evil.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 12, 2011 17:40:45 GMT -5
Oh, there's no doubt he's evil, especially in the amount of fake or real dirty laundry that ushers everyone out the door.
But he's a big part of what's responsible for Camden Yards; he's an excellent marketer and salesman, and his teams perform.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 16, 2011 6:04:12 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 16, 2011 8:54:45 GMT -5
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 16, 2011 19:24:59 GMT -5
If ever anyone wants to know what is meant by the phrase "dysfunctional Franchise", this is it.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 17, 2011 0:07:25 GMT -5
If ever anyone wants to know what is meant by the phrase "dysfunctional Franchise", this is it. Careful there, big boy: next thing you know Mr. Henry will be knocking on your door. |
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