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Post by bsure on Sept 13, 2011 19:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by hifigator on Sept 14, 2011 13:23:24 GMT -5
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Except that Tebow is also listed behind Brady Quinn, so how do Bronco fans rationalize that?
You missed my point entirely. My point wasn't that they were justified somehow in their cravings and desires of the unknown and therefore the change that is inspiring them. The point is that they would rather lose with someone new. Rightly or wrongly, there is the hope that it will get better 00 that he will get better and that the team will get better. Whether they do or not is a different question altogether. Again, there is an assumption that Kyle Orton is a known commodity. I watched most of the game Monday, and Orton played pretty well for the most part. But late in the game, neither he nor anyone else played very well. The line didnt block anyone and on offense, it doesn't really matter who's playing qb, if that's the problem.
Still, the point is that there is a feeling that if they are losing with someone new while he's also going through the pitfalls of his learning curve then there is a light at the end of the tunnel. And they hold out hope that maybe, just maybe, the promised land will get here sooner if Tebow gets out there sooner.
The bottom line is that if they win with Orton then they are fine with it, but if they are going to lose with Orton then they would rather have Tebow out there. What I don't think they are really factoring in is just how they would feel if they did in fact lose with Tebow. Then would they still feel the same way? Of course not. They might be saying they shouldn't have drafted him to begin with and that they should have played Orton. "At least he's a 'real' quarterback" would be the sentiment de jeur then.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 14, 2011 16:10:47 GMT -5
Yeah, the quarterbacks sure did dominate -- in more ways than one.
After Sunday night's debacle by Romo in the 4th quarter, he dominated te discussions all by himself. But in all seriousness, there is a lot to talk discuss about NFL QBs already.
Who is most "playing for his job" this weekend was a question I heard discussed on one of he National shows this morning. I don't think that's actually the right question, but it does touch on some interesting angles. Matty Ice was the next coming of Peyton Manning in some eyes. But if the Falcons lose to the Eagles this weekend, then the Atlanta will start 0-2. They went 13-3 last year if I recall. That's a lot of pressure -- espcially playing against the "most upgraded" major player from last year's playoff teams. What about Ben Rothlisberger and the showing that the Steelers had? They looked anemic, granted against a very good and fired up home Ravens team. Kerry Collins is showing just how important the original Peyton Manning is. And then in losing efforts, Chad Henne and Cameron Newton look to follow up their statistical success of the opening week. Given that I -- a spokesman for the superiority of the college game -- can admit significant interest in the NFL in this, the third week of the college season, definitely tells you that the NFL is doing something right.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 14, 2011 19:10:20 GMT -5
rooter wrote: Except that Tebow is also listed behind Brady Quinn, so how do Bronco fans rationalize that? You missed my point entirely. My point wasn't that they were justified somehow in their cravings and desires of the unknown and therefore the change that is inspiring them. The point is that they would rather lose with someone new. Rightly or wrongly, there is the hope that it will get better 00 that he will get better and that the team will get better. Whether they do or not is a different question altogether. Again, there is an assumption that Kyle Orton is a known commodity. I watched most of the game Monday, and Orton played pretty well for the most part. But late in the game, neither he nor anyone else played very well. The line didnt block anyone and on offense, it doesn't really matter who's playing qb, if that's the problem. Still, the point is that there is a feeling that if they are losing with someone new while he's also going through the pitfalls of his learning curve then there is a light at the end of the tunnel. And they hold out hope that maybe, just maybe, the promised land will get here sooner if Tebow gets out there sooner. The bottom line is that if they win with Orton then they are fine with it, but if they are going to lose with Orton then they would rather have Tebow out there. What I don't think they are really factoring in is just how they would feel if they did in fact lose with Tebow. Then would they still feel the same way? Of course not. They might be saying they shouldn't have drafted him to begin with and that they should have played Orton. "At least he's a 'real' quarterback" would be the sentiment de jeur then. No, I think you are missing my point. If the Bronco fans would rather lose with someone new, and Brady Quinn is ahead of Tebow on the depth chart, why aren't the fans chanting for Quinn? Just because he has a little (but not much) experience as a starter already? I think not.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Sept 14, 2011 22:32:42 GMT -5
rooter wrote: Except that Tebow is also listed behind Brady Quinn, so how do Bronco fans rationalize that? You missed my point entirely. My point wasn't that they were justified somehow in their cravings and desires of the unknown and therefore the change that is inspiring them. The point is that they would rather lose with someone new. Rightly or wrongly, there is the hope that it will get better 00 that he will get better and that the team will get better. Whether they do or not is a different question altogether. Again, there is an assumption that Kyle Orton is a known commodity. I watched most of the game Monday, and Orton played pretty well for the most part. But late in the game, neither he nor anyone else played very well. The line didnt block anyone and on offense, it doesn't really matter who's playing qb, if that's the problem. Still, the point is that there is a feeling that if they are losing with someone new while he's also going through the pitfalls of his learning curve then there is a light at the end of the tunnel. And they hold out hope that maybe, just maybe, the promised land will get here sooner if Tebow gets out there sooner. The bottom line is that if they win with Orton then they are fine with it, but if they are going to lose with Orton then they would rather have Tebow out there. What I don't think they are really factoring in is just how they would feel if they did in fact lose with Tebow. Then would they still feel the same way? Of course not. They might be saying they shouldn't have drafted him to begin with and that they should have played Orton. "At least he's a 'real' quarterback" would be the sentiment de jeur then. No, I think you are missing my point. If the Bronco fans would rather lose with someone new, and Brady Quinn is ahead of Tebow on the depth chart, why aren't the fans chanting for Quinn? Just because he has a little (but not much) experience as a starter already? I think not. Being a HUGE Ravens fan, I was so thrilled about the whoopin we put on Pittsburgh. Most satisfying win ever.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 15, 2011 10:17:36 GMT -5
You're right. The Ravels handled their business. Saints must do so in the Dome this weekend against da Bears.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 15, 2011 10:33:07 GMT -5
No, I think you are missing my point. If the Bronco fans would rather lose with someone new, and Brady Quinn is ahead of Tebow on the depth chart, why aren't the fans chanting for Quinn? Just because he has a little (but not much) experience as a starter already? I think not. Being a HUGE Ravens fan, I was so thrilled about the whoopin we put on Pittsburgh. Most satisfying win ever. 'Cause that makes up for, what, the last 7 games against the Steelers?
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Post by bsure on Sept 17, 2011 16:58:56 GMT -5
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Post by hifigator on Sept 23, 2011 16:18:42 GMT -5
No, I think you are missing my point. If the Bronco fans would rather lose with someone new, and Brady Quinn is ahead of Tebow on the depth chart, why aren't the fans chanting for Quinn? Just because he has a little (but not much) experience as a starter already? I think not
Sorry I'm late getting back to you. I don't disagree with what you are saying at all. And maybe I'm not being fair to Brady Quinn -- or at least the Bronco fans aren't. Maybe they don't view Quinn as something new. Like I say, maybe that's not fair to him. But Tebow -- rightly or wrongly -- is viewed as a future, if not their future. If so, then it's understandable that losing in the present would encourage a desire to start working on the future. That being said, Denver did look pretty good last weekend. If they can stay competitive and win their share of games, then I think this discussion will become moot
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 25, 2011 19:21:39 GMT -5
Clutch comeback by the Saints. Yea!
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Post by Elvado on Sept 26, 2011 4:22:00 GMT -5
Poor little Mike Vick isn't being properly protected by the officials. What a shame. First thing out of his felonious mouth after getting slapped around by the Giants. I wonder if the officials in Mikey's other favorite sport protected the athletes. But the best part is listening to the mouth breathers who inhabit the Linc whelp like, dare I say it, scalded dogs. These are the same cretins who cheered for a bounty abd christened a game the "Body Bag" game.
As is always the case with the Seagulls, they talk like champs.
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Post by RDF on Sept 26, 2011 10:14:23 GMT -5
Poor little Mike Vick isn't being properly protected by the officials. What a shame. First thing out of his felonious mouth after getting slapped around by the Giants. I wonder if the officials in Mikey's other favorite sport protected the athletes. But the best part is listening to the mouth breathers who inhabit the Linc whelp like, dare I say it, scalded dogs. These are the same cretins who cheered for a bounty abd christened a game the "Body Bag" game. As is always the case with the Seagulls, they talk like champs. You are a national treasure with comments like this! STANDING OVATION. Now to Vicky--as he will now be known for his female dog (yes I'm going there) comments. If you possess the ability to run like Vick--you will get hit more. The argument he's making about being a pocket passer--he's gotten hit/clean like most QB's--you see several guys get the snot kicked out of them--but he points out Brady/Manning--and sorry Vicky-you aren't in that caliber of player--not even close. Vick is Romo like--mistake prone, exciting to watch for both teams, a guy who wilts in Playoffs, and yet Romo gets more heat due to the team he plays for--which is also fair--because he gets more credit for same reason as well. It's football. If you don't want to get hit--go find another line of work. If want to compare yourself to Tom Brady/Peyton Manning, then play like them. If you can't--and he can't--Shut up.
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Post by RDF on Sept 26, 2011 10:28:48 GMT -5
Congrats to Bills fans for the exciting win yesterday too. Back to Back great comebacks and no quitting. As a Belichick fan, I'm just confused as to why everyone acts like it's 8 years ago and they are afraid of this Patriots team? The defense sucks--the drafting has been questionable, they have no running game--a 5'5 dwarf that plays hard doesn't make him a frontline NFL RB, Chad Johnson has always been one of the most overrated players in league and Pats fans who liked the pickup just think anything Belichick does turns to gold--the guy sucks. Fat Albert is a loser/cancer--he's already starting his myriad of injuries, and have I mentioned the fact that the defense sucks? They are lucky to be 2-1 and are going into Oakland who plays a style that you better bring your big boy pads and want to hit, which unlike most Belichick teams this group doesn't seem to willing to do. One thing I did fully enjoy-seeing the Raiders beat the dog **** out of the Jets physically. Jets DL is average/not championship caliber and last team you want to face after playing the Raiders is another physical team--and who do Jets have--none other then Ravens. I'd love to be the team who gets Jets after Ravens beat them up--2 weeks of physical football. Ravens are going to give Rex's crew their 2nd loss.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Sept 26, 2011 10:38:48 GMT -5
Was watching Mike & Mike this morning and they had Sal Paolantonio, former Eagles beat report and current Eagle shill. He completely embarrassed himself - talking about the Canty hit being to the head while they ran the replay on a loop clearly showing the hit was not a head shot. Of course Sal compared the number of Vicky's hits to Brady's...why not compare the number of Vicky's hits to, say, Cutler's? And Brady doesn't get hit as much because he gets rid of the ball and his number one target is always within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. Vicky's main targets are doing a 25 yard crossing pattern and Vick will wait forever for it to develop to get the big play.
NFL players smell blood in the water. When a player is hurt, they attack the player, whether it is a gimpy cornerback getting picked on or a rib injury being hammered. Vicky always has something...and that something will be targeted again and again.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 26, 2011 10:53:16 GMT -5
Congrats to Bills fans for the exciting win yesterday too. Back to Back great comebacks and no quitting. As a Belichick fan, I'm just confused as to why everyone acts like it's 8 years ago and they are afraid of this Patriots team? The defense sucks--the drafting has been questionable, they have no running game--a 5'5 dwarf that plays hard doesn't make him a frontline NFL RB, Chad Johnson has always been one of the most overrated players in league and Pats fans who liked the pickup just think anything Belichick does turns to gold--the guy sucks. Fat Albert is a loser/cancer--he's already starting his myriad of injuries, and have I mentioned the fact that the defense sucks? They are lucky to be 2-1 and are going into Oakland who plays a style that you better bring your big boy pads and want to hit, which unlike most Belichick teams this group doesn't seem to willing to do. One thing I did fully enjoy-seeing the Raiders beat the dog **** out of the Jets physically. Jets DL is average/not championship caliber and last team you want to face after playing the Raiders is another physical team--and who do Jets have--none other then Ravens. I'd love to be the team who gets Jets after Ravens beat them up--2 weeks of physical football. Ravens are going to give Rex's crew their 2nd loss. The Patriots' offense is still crazy-good. Not all those picks were breakdowns. Their defense is trash, though. The weak schedule is disguising the fact that the Chargers are again starting slow -- without three turnovers last week, the Pats could be 1-2 and have people really questioning them. Then again, a tipped ball or two and they're 3-0. That's the NFL.
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Post by Boz on Sept 26, 2011 11:45:28 GMT -5
Is Tom Brady now Roger Dorn??
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 26, 2011 11:59:58 GMT -5
The Patriots' offense is still crazy-good. Not all those picks were breakdowns. Their defense is trash, though. The weak schedule is disguising the fact that the Chargers are again starting slow -- without three turnovers last week, the Pats could be 1-2 and have people really questioning them. Then again, a tipped ball or two and they're 3-0. That's the NFL. Thats one thing that I have loved about this year's NFL. It seems like every game is coming down to the last few minutes if not the last play/drive of the game. The football is usually a game of inches but it seems like this year's NFL is a game of centimeters! An example of this is Troy Polamalu at the end of last night's game. Yeah, the Colts/Painter weren't too much of a threat but on their late TD drive, Troy missed stuffing either Addai or stripping Painter by centimeters!
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Post by RDF on Sept 26, 2011 12:36:51 GMT -5
Was watching Mike & Mike this morning and they had Sal Paolantonio, former Eagles beat report and current Eagle shill. He completely embarrassed himself - talking about the Canty hit being to the head while they ran the replay on a loop clearly showing the hit was not a head shot. Of course Sal compared the number of Vicky's hits to Brady's...why not compare the number of Vicky's hits to, say, Cutler's? And Brady doesn't get hit as much because he gets rid of the ball and his number one target is always within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. Vicky's main targets are doing a 25 yard crossing pattern and Vick will wait forever for it to develop to get the big play. NFL players smell blood in the water. When a player is hurt, they attack the player, whether it is a gimpy cornerback getting picked on or a rib injury being hammered. Vicky always has something...and that something will be targeted again and again. Vicky's feelings are hurt and first sign of giving into the pressure is excuse making. Sal Pal is an Eagle cheerleader and didn't see/hear the show but fact he did this-what a joke. Eagles made their persona about being tough and now they are crying because their finesse St. Louis Rams "greatest show on turf" style is being beat up by big bad bullies. Please.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 26, 2011 12:38:19 GMT -5
Then you probably also missed the part where Fat Ed Rendell said Eli gets calls and he's a "white quarterback".
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 26, 2011 12:51:31 GMT -5
Hoya Jim Schwartz not doing too badly with the lions.
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