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Post by Cambridge on Aug 18, 2011 14:47:35 GMT -5
Absolutely. And I would expect the rest of the trip to play out, with real basketball, neutral and controlled refereeing, strict crowd control and a return to goodwill. Nope. I pretty much expected exactly what Pushy posted. Come on, this isnt just baseless stereotyping. China controls media in a way to limit negative exposure. It's a fact. I agree with Jook. I will be surprised if China apologizes. |
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 18, 2011 14:48:49 GMT -5
I am still trying to figure that out, too. Watch around the 33 second mark in the video, towards the bottom of the screen. I believe thats the scene portrayed in the photo. Exactly. After Jason gets kicked on the floor...he eventually gets up and enters the skirmish below the basket where he engages #5...and eventually connects with a jab to the chin (based on earlier pictures which I can no longer find). Thereafter, he seems dazed and falls to the floor near midcourt. Tough kid! |
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Post by swhoya on Aug 18, 2011 14:50:51 GMT -5
Absolutely. And I would expect the rest of the trip to play out, with real basketball, neutral and controlled refereeing, strict crowd control and a return to goodwill. Nope. I pretty much expected exactly what Pushy posted. Come on, this isnt just baseless stereotyping. China controls media in a way to limit negative exposure. It's a fact. It's a "fact" in the sense of someone who just reads the NYTimes (or Fox News, or whatever) thinking they can take a stereotype and calculate exactly what the response will be. The "truth" is usually a lot more complicated than that. I'm going to take a wild guess here that if you heard 2 minutes of Chinese news, you wouldn't understand 2 seconds of it. Whether you choose to believe it or not, the Chinese government does want the larger world to think well of them. They know the pictures and video that's out there, even if they don't want to show it at home. Again, I could be wrong, but their best way of controlling this is to say as little about it in the domestic media, but to try and finesse it from the international viewpoint. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Aug 18, 2011 14:52:30 GMT -5
After weighing in initially, I was away from my computer for a few hours. Coming back, I've now seen more pictures, read more accounts, and watched the video.
If I was happy about the team's handling of the situation before, I'm ten times happier now. They did what they had to do. Period. I loved the picture of Jason hammering #5 even when it was out of context. Now, knowing that he was defending Bowen (or Markel?) from crazy-chair-wielding-#5, it's even better.
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Post by Eurostar on Aug 18, 2011 14:53:43 GMT -5
coverage on Sportscenter is coming up in a few minutes on ESPN.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 18, 2011 14:56:53 GMT -5
How is ESPN spinning it?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 18, 2011 14:57:21 GMT -5
Everyone seems to be taking the hoyas side now that the video is out all the message boards changed their tunes if they weren't already in our corner.
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Post by TC on Aug 18, 2011 14:58:14 GMT -5
Thirdly, does anyone know what kind of jurisdiction the NCAA might have? I know this isn't an NCAA event, but since the Hoyas are an NCAA team and an NCAA program, could the team face some kind of sanctions? Certainly don't want any of the guys sitting out important games. And with the out of conference schedule we've got, they get here pretty quickly. The NCAA would sanction the team for what exactly? Getting hit with chairs? |
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Post by GUJook97 on Aug 18, 2011 14:58:36 GMT -5
Nope. I pretty much expected exactly what Pushy posted. Come on, this isnt just baseless stereotyping. China controls media in a way to limit negative exposure. It's a fact. It's a "fact" in the sense of someone who just reads the NYTimes (or Fox News, or whatever) thinking they can take a stereotype and calculate exactly what the response will be. The "truth" is usually a lot more complicated than that. I'm going to take a wild guess here that if you heard 2 minutes of Chinese news, you wouldn't understand 2 seconds of it. Whether you choose to believe it or not, the Chinese government does want the larger world to think well of them. They know the pictures and video that's out there, even if they don't want to show it at home. Again, I could be wrong, but their best way of controlling this is to say as little about it in the domestic media, but to try and finesse it from the international viewpoint. You said we'd be surprised. I disagree. I pretty much figured that Chinese government would, you know, block websites, take down pictures, etc. That is what happened from what Ive seen so far. What do you think we are going to be surprised about? Do you think Chinese government will come out and apologize for the incident? I would be pretty surprised by that. My guess is that it wont happen. I will gladly be wrong. III said a diplomatic thing in about 7 seconds. Still waiting for the Chinese position. |
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Post by guru on Aug 18, 2011 15:01:21 GMT -5
Thirdly, does anyone know what kind of jurisdiction the NCAA might have? I know this isn't an NCAA event, but since the Hoyas are an NCAA team and an NCAA program, could the team face some kind of sanctions? Certainly don't want any of the guys sitting out important games. And with the out of conference schedule we've got, they get here pretty quickly. The NCAA would sanction the team for what exactly? Getting hit with chairs? hifi, you are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul |
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Post by Boz on Aug 18, 2011 15:02:26 GMT -5
Thirdly, does anyone know what kind of jurisdiction the NCAA might have? I know this isn't an NCAA event, but since the Hoyas are an NCAA team and an NCAA program, could the team face some kind of sanctions? Certainly don't want any of the guys sitting out important games. And with the out of conference schedule we've got, they get here pretty quickly. The NCAA would sanction the team for what exactly? Getting hit with chairs? No. For accepting an illegal payment when someone in the stands threw coins at them. Duh. Also, I'm pretty sure Greg Monroe yelled something nasty somewhere in there. |
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Aug 18, 2011 15:03:05 GMT -5
The NCAA would sanction the team for what exactly? Getting hit with chairs? hifi, you are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul And Tim Tebow sucks. |
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Post by Eurostar on Aug 18, 2011 15:04:50 GMT -5
ESPN talked about it neutrally. Headline is "Hoyas Brawl Overseas".
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Post by TC on Aug 18, 2011 15:05:59 GMT -5
Also what is up with hifi throwing around the royal "we" ("our players", we as in Georgetown). It's bad enough when fans of the program who aren't on the team or coaching staff do it, it's completely weird when a UF fan abandons their alma mater and starts using it.
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Post by westendhoya on Aug 18, 2011 15:06:19 GMT -5
hifi, you are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul And Tim Tebow sucks. And over 50 players were arrested during Urban Meyer's tenure... |
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Post by MCIGuy on Aug 18, 2011 15:08:40 GMT -5
Really? They're punching and kicking a kid on the ground. Are you supposed to ask them nicely to stop? How's the view up there on your high horse? What a completely idiotic position you've taken - one that is intentionally ignorant of what actually happened. Looks like cooler heads need to prevail here as well. Without starting another brawl....do you think the only way for the Hoyas to defend Jason properly was to take swings at the other team? Do you believe that that was what III wanted to see his players resort to? Typically when this type of incident occurs both teams are called out by fans and the media for stooping to this behavior regardless of who initiated the ruckus (see: the Knicks). But I suppose some of us are not objective enough to see beyond our own biases. It doesn't matter if the Dragons acted like punks. You go out there, you push them off Jason and you get yourselves off the court if possible. Going any further to prove your manhood does nothing in this circumstance except make you look about as bad (whether it is fair or not) as the folks who started it and I'm really surprised that more of you don't see it that way. I don’t know. I could be wrong. Again this isn't some game against Syracuse we're talking about. Do you know where the Hoyas were? Its freakin' China. The Hoyas are representing their program, their university and their country and the last thing they should want is an ugly international incident. Especially one in a nation that doesn't have the same view of rights and due process as ours. If they needed this incident to bond, as some have suggested, that is rather disappointing. Frankly I don’t believe that. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 18, 2011 15:08:47 GMT -5
The NCAA would sanction the team for what exactly? Getting hit with chairs? No. For accepting an illegal payment when someone in the stands threw coins at them. Duh. Also, I'm pretty sure Greg Monroe yelled something nasty somewhere in there.  Well done |
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Post by swhoya on Aug 18, 2011 15:09:13 GMT -5
It's a "fact" in the sense of someone who just reads the NYTimes (or Fox News, or whatever) thinking they can take a stereotype and calculate exactly what the response will be. The "truth" is usually a lot more complicated than that. I'm going to take a wild guess here that if you heard 2 minutes of Chinese news, you wouldn't understand 2 seconds of it. Whether you choose to believe it or not, the Chinese government does want the larger world to think well of them. They know the pictures and video that's out there, even if they don't want to show it at home. Again, I could be wrong, but their best way of controlling this is to say as little about it in the domestic media, but to try and finesse it from the international viewpoint. You said we'd be surprised. I disagree. I pretty much figured that Chinese government would, you know, block websites, take down pictures, etc. That is what happened from what Ive seen so far. What do you think we are going to be surprised about? Do you think Chinese government will come out and apologize for the incident? I would be pretty surprised by that. My guess is that it wont happen. I will gladly be wrong. III said a diplomatic thing in about 7 seconds. Still waiting for the Chinese position. I'm not commenting on what their response should be, or when it should have been issued. But the fact is that the video and the photos of JC getting stomped on are out there now, and that will be a factor. They may not say much domestically in public, but they're going to do what they can to get the egg off their face on the international stage. It's currently 4 am in China. Just because one station is running something tells me nothing. You would like...what, exactly? Their president to being issuing a statement in the middle of the night? Yeah, the right thing to do would have been to issue a statement after the game, but JTIII is just a guy, not a Chinese bureacrat that has to worry about how his statement will be received. The reality is that no one was going to stick their neck out like that; they're going to wait to figure out what their response should be, especially with Biden in town. In the morning (in China), they'll have to review the photos, and the videos, see the international press coverage it has received, and they're going to figure out how to limit the damage. Where I could be wrong is whether China tries to use this to push nationalism or deal with their own domestic issues. Blaming the foreigners is a tried-and-true method of doing that (basically, it's a game of don't be mad at us, be mad at the outsiders). But because the video and pictures are out there, that becomes harder for them to do (even with certain websites blocked, this stuff will leak in China too). So they'll try to salvage what they can and move on. |
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Post by RDF on Aug 18, 2011 15:09:24 GMT -5
After seeing the video, I applaud the team, and want to single out that Moses comes running to get involved (remember he's got a torn ACL) and he picks up a chair and is ready to throw down. Thankfully he never did anything--but he wasn't stupid--as he was racing to the end near Chinese bench/end of court where Aaron Bowen was getting destroyed.
I don't care where you are--if someone is going to act like that-you better engage and let them know what is/isn't to be tolerated. Sticking up for teammates and people who are getting jumped should be commended, not criticized. I'll just say this--if you have to get 4-5 guys to jump 1, I only hope you suffer same fate sometime-only with no help on hand and if those 4-5 have weapons on them--even better.
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Post by TC on Aug 18, 2011 15:15:06 GMT -5
Typically when this type of incident occurs both teams are called out by fans and the media for stooping to this behavior regardless of who initiated the ruckus (see: the Knicks). But I suppose some of us are not objective enough to see beyond our own biases. It doesn't matter if the Dragons acted like punks. You go out there, you push them off Jason and you get yourselves off the court if possible. After watching the video, isn't that along the lines of what happened? Is there any instance in that video where you think the Hoyas are aggressors? There are a lot of incidents in that video where they try to get away, and get jumped not by one, but by multiple players and/or non-players. This is seen as a brawl because the Hoyas went on the floor. Jason was surrounded by five or six players and was on the ground and was being forced back down. They had to go on the floor, there wasn't a choice there to be made. The video isn't great, but I didn't see anything clear cut where Hoyas are trying to do anything but protect teammates. |
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Well done