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Post by vcjack on Jul 27, 2011 18:16:11 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 28, 2011 6:01:34 GMT -5
I don't get that one. I admit I don't know all the circumstances of the violations, but it seems to me that it's impossible to police the actions of the players 24-7. With so many players to monitor, football coaches have a hard way to go. Better to coach basketball. Fewer players with an opportunity to get one fired.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 28, 2011 10:35:22 GMT -5
Athletic director Dick Baddour has resigned. Press conference at ESPNU.
Strangely, Davis is not being fired for cause, so he gets a $3 million check.
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Post by RDF on Jul 28, 2011 11:25:13 GMT -5
I don't get that one. I admit I don't know all the circumstances of the violations, but it seems to me that it's impossible to police the actions of the players 24-7. With so many players to monitor, football coaches have a hard way to go. Better to coach basketball. Fewer players with an opportunity to get one fired. Davis had to go. 1. He knew what type of guy John Blake was--worked with him in Dallas with Cowboys and all you need to know is that Steve Spurrier's comments about "We all knew what type of guy he is--so don't know why anyone would hire him". Spurrier was saying this in response to Blake setting up players (including South Carolina's TE last year) with agent--he was running players to agents, setting up their travel, and getting paid. 2. Davis had his nanny helping the players academically--and she wasn't a tutor.  3. Davis and Baddour are getting fired because the last thing "almighty and classy" UNC wants is for NCAA to find out what is going on with the basketball program. Have said it before/will continue to say it--what program in the country that is dirty in one of the 2 major sports usually doesn't behave in same manner in the other major sport? |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 28, 2011 12:59:47 GMT -5
3. Davis and Baddour are getting fired because the last thing "almighty and classy" UNC wants is for NCAA to find out what is going on with the basketball program. Have said it before/will continue to say it--what program in the country that is dirty in one of the 2 major sports usually doesn't behave in same manner in the other major sport? A few come to mind: Miami basketball, Kentucky football? UNC does take academics more seriously than a lot of public schools and this will set the program back years. ACC historians will recall that the school planned to deemphasize basketball in 1961 after Frank McGuire got into trouble but Dean Smith was able to build a clean program and exceed all expectations. Some felt that hiring Davis and brining on Blake was UNC's attempt to become a first-tier ACC football program, but this episode may leave UNC more content to be Virginia than Virginia Tech. |
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Post by RDF on Jul 28, 2011 13:23:25 GMT -5
3. Davis and Baddour are getting fired because the last thing "almighty and classy" UNC wants is for NCAA to find out what is going on with the basketball program. Have said it before/will continue to say it--what program in the country that is dirty in one of the 2 major sports usually doesn't behave in same manner in the other major sport? A few come to mind: Miami basketball, Kentucky football? UNC does take academics more seriously than a lot of public schools and this will set the program back years. ACC historians will recall that the school planned to deemphasize basketball in 1961 after Frank McGuire got into trouble but Dean Smith was able to build a clean program and exceed all expectations. Some felt that hiring Davis and brining on Blake was UNC's attempt to become a first-tier ACC football program, but this episode may leave UNC more content to be Virginia than Virginia Tech. Kentucky football cheats--it's just that nobody cares--they are awful. Miami Basketball in the Leapin Lenny days wasn't the cleanest--and it's continuing at FSU now. |
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Post by RDF on Jul 28, 2011 16:36:50 GMT -5
Oklahoma Basketball admitted to 2 Major Violations today and is begging for lesser penalties. Let me guess, their FB program is clean as a whistle--since Bomar and Quinn were only 2 involved with getting paid more then they should at car dealership?? LMAO
BTW--if you want to see how dirt is done in big time sports--some of the people sitting around Adrian Peterson's family when his father was released from prison and saw his son play for first time--were runners for Ben Dogra. It was hilarious they were doing the human interest story/angle and I noticed 2 people who were sitting with family that have direction relations to Dogra and help him land clients. Reggie Bush is poster boy for punishment but the same garbage goes on all over. And OU knew about it as well. Take a look at who Dogra represents and put 2 and 2 together.
Point being--that while OU basketball and UNC football are going to get hammered-it's fine as long as their #1 revenue sport and top program don't get punished.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 29, 2011 17:15:32 GMT -5
I don't get that one. I admit I don't know all the circumstances of the violations, but it seems to me that it's impossible to police the actions of the players 24-7. With so many players to monitor, football coaches have a hard way to go. Better to coach basketball. Fewer players with an opportunity to get one fired. Davis had to go. 1. He knew what type of guy John Blake was--worked with him in Dallas with Cowboys and all you need to know is that Steve Spurrier's comments about "We all knew what type of guy he is--so don't know why anyone would hire him". Spurrier was saying this in response to Blake setting up players (including South Carolina's TE last year) with agent--he was running players to agents, setting up their travel, and getting paid. 2. Davis had his nanny helping the players academically--and she wasn't a tutor. 3. Davis and Baddour are getting fired because the last thing "almighty and classy" UNC wants is for NCAA to find out what is going on with the basketball program. Have said it before/will continue to say it--what program in the country that is dirty in one of the 2 major sports usually doesn't behave in same manner in the other major sport? Thanx for filling me in. I was not going to spend time reading the internet about it. I'd still rather be a basketball coach... |
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Post by hifigator on Aug 3, 2011 11:18:25 GMT -5
I forget which show it was, but after the Davis announcement, one of the hosts made the point that of all the programs there are, that the Tarheel football program is the one that baffles him as really never having developed into a major player. The recruiting base isn't like that of a school in Florida or Texas, but it isn't awful. And Duke and NC St. don't really give much of an instate alternative. (Isn't Wake Forest in NC also?) He also pointed out the tremendous popularity and success of the hoops program and the sizable alumni base. As I think about it, that makes some sense. And as I think back, they have had some incredibly talented players from the Lawrence Taylors of the world to all the NFL draft picks just this past season. Yet the team's success hasn't really been at the elite level in my lifetime.
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 3, 2011 12:18:12 GMT -5
I forget which show it was, but after the Davis announcement, one of the hosts made the point that of all the programs there are, that the Tarheel football program is the one that baffles him as really never having developed into a major player. The recruiting base isn't like that of a school in Florida or Texas, but it isn't awful. And Duke and NC St. don't really give much of an instate alternative. (Isn't Wake Forest in NC also?) He also pointed out the tremendous popularity and success of the hoops program and the sizable alumni base. As I think about it, that makes some sense. And as I think back, they have had some incredibly talented players from the Lawrence Taylors of the world to all the NFL draft picks just this past season. Yet the team's success hasn't really been at the elite level in my lifetime. 1. The ACC was never a major player on the scene until FSU came along. 2. The hoops programs' popularity means that, even if you win the ACC three straight years, you're still speaking before Roy Williams at the athletics banquet. It's hard to recruit good coaches and talent who will not be worshipped the same way people are at Alabama or Michigan. 3. North Carolina's football is nothing to write home about, and includes lots of D-IA (including, yes, Wake) and good I-AA programs fighting over good players. Unlike Ohio State, or Penn State, or Wisconsin, UNC does not own the state - really, they're not even close (NC State has been at least the Tar Heels' equal). 4. With LT, almost every I-A program has one really good player - there aren't that many other remarkably successful Tar Heels. All of the talent from this season was procured from an approach that got Butch Davis fired. |
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Post by hifigator on Aug 3, 2011 13:21:17 GMT -5
I wouldn't argue much of that, but it still begs the question why UNC hasn't been a more serious program? As I said before, North Carolina isn't the hotbed of talent that Florida, Texas and California are. But it isn't Idaho either. Oops, Boise St. has become a player. I know they are more the exception, but Louisville and Cincinnati have taken their turns among the Nation's elite. It seems to me that UNC is a program that should be better than it has traditionally been. And if NC St is its equal, then there's a problem somewhere. And as mentioned before, Duke and Wake Forest shouldn't put up much of a serious fight because of their academic standings. Yes, I know Chapel Hill is a good school as well, but you know what I mean.
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