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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 23, 2011 16:03:16 GMT -5
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GUMBA
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Post by GUMBA on May 23, 2011 16:47:21 GMT -5
He is right. The Big East was created in 1979 to take advantage of media markets for college basketball in New York/NJ, Syracuse, Boston, Hartford, Providence, Washington, Philly (one year later) and Pittsburgh (three years later). A decade later they added football and more media markets in Forlida, Virginia, and West Virginia. Notre Dame brought the Chicago and Northern Indiana markets into the mix for hoops. When Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, Marquette, and DePaul joined they locked up more of the mid-West and offest Miami leaving with the addition of the Tampa/St. Pete market. Now we see Texas (TCU) coming. That is a heck of a geographic footprint. But the quality of the teams has kept pace too which adds to the strength of the conferece. Too big? Maybe for tournaments. Too unwieldy? Not so far. Long live the BEAST we call the Big East!
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Just Cos
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Post by Just Cos on May 24, 2011 1:30:47 GMT -5
As a whole it may be worth more, but if it were just the football schools it could mean more for each football school.
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Post by bigelephant on May 24, 2011 7:23:43 GMT -5
I still feel Georgetown is seriously missing the boat by not looking into developing a D 1 football program. It is my feeling that there will be enough money available from the TV contracts to handsomely fund such a move. What is wrong with the Board of Directors looking into the feasibility? If it isn't feasibile then we can fageddaboudit. But, my god, we should at least look into it at the HIGHEST LEVELS of the University.
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rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on May 24, 2011 7:26:50 GMT -5
I'm still with the camp that thinks splitting the league into two equal divisions would be a good idea for basketball:
Division 1: Georgetown, PC, UConn, Cuse, St Johns, SHU, Nova, Pitt
Division A: Marquette, Depaul, ND, Cincy, Louisville, Rutgers, USF, WV
Think home-and-home round robin with each of your division mates each year and four games (2 home/2 away) with teams from the opposing division, rotating annually so you'd play everyone in the opposing division over the course of two regular seasons.
Sure, from an abstract perspective, it makes sense that a basketball team ought to be able to play every team in its conference each year, but I think this set-up makes a lot more sense with regard to both SOS balance and televisability than the uneven scheduling that the current arrangement has forced upon us where we play every team once and a seemingly randomly determined three teams twice. And no, I still don't have a solution for integrating TCU other than merging their team with Depaul's.
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Post by sleepy on May 24, 2011 8:34:08 GMT -5
If the split is to happen it will be done in the next 12 months. In order to negotiate the best tv deal the BE or whatever may exist after a potential break-up must have all its teams lined up to present in a bidding process.
As it stands now the FO schools are handcuffed by the simple fact that most if not all potential targets add little if any overall value to an all sports football league.
The possibility exists that down the road after negotiating a contract that big changes may occur i just don't think that the numbers generated in any negotiation or even if a re-opener to the contract exists would generate revenue to compensate for 3 additional teams even after the BO schools go their separate ways.
The move to split is really being pushed by the WVs and Lvilles among others and those are the ones who squashed the VU addition. Oliver Luck and his contigent remain firmly convinced that they are at the SEC level.
For many years on this board i've been convinced that a split was inevitable today i think its at best a 50/50 proposition.
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Post by chep3 on May 24, 2011 8:36:24 GMT -5
Sure, I think that's not a bad idea, but your split is hardly equal. GU, UConn, Cuse, Nova, Pitt are top 6 programs in the BE (and St. John's has that potential too). The only top 6 program on the other side is L'ville. Sure, MU, ND, WVU, and Cincy are good programs, but let's compare. Cancel out UConn and L'ville. Would you rather play Cuse, Nova, Pitt, and St. John's or ND, Marquett, WVU, and Cincy?
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Post by gunny on May 24, 2011 9:53:32 GMT -5
I think the contract that they sign should be a short term contract that should expire in 2015. The reason I say that is because Notre Dame's contract expires with NBC after the 2015 season. I just can't imagine NBC signing Notre Dame to another long term big contract. If you could convince Notre Dame to join in football (which is going to be extremely difficult) then you would have a bidding war for that contract. Actually I think it would benefit Notre Dame to join the BE. A selling point to me is the automatic BCS bowl bid.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on May 24, 2011 11:01:14 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 24, 2011 11:12:38 GMT -5
and the article i posted was in response to that quote: "So even though it’ll be presented as headline-grabbing news that Calhoun told reporters at the Big East’s annual meetings in Florida the league is destined to split—CBS Sports’ Brett McMurphy reported Calhoun said he believes the league will split within four to five years—it’s really a song as old as “Rico Suave.”" |
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Post by LizziebethHoya on May 24, 2011 12:15:54 GMT -5
My apologies. I thought the article was posted today.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 24, 2011 12:42:56 GMT -5
That's fine I didn't provide the original context of the article in my post.
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Post by TBird41 on May 24, 2011 16:50:35 GMT -5
"Hmmmm, what can I say to distract everyone from talking about our APR and the scholarships that caused us to lose" |
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Post by SSHoya on May 28, 2011 6:16:14 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on May 28, 2011 7:25:03 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaChris on May 28, 2011 18:30:49 GMT -5
One point that is working very strongly in favor of the league staying together is that the league is close to a monster TV deal and that deal is being negotiated by Hoya Paul Tagliabue.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 28, 2011 19:47:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2011 15:29:04 GMT -5
"According to multiple sources in the room, the coaches were in favor of a five-game Tuesday in New York where the teams from eighth to 17th would be matched in a format like this: 17 vs. 8 16 vs. 9 15 vs. 10 14 vs. 11 13 vs. 12 Day 2 of the tournament on Wednesday would have those five winners against teams that finished in fifth through seventh place." Unless there are 5 teams that finish in fifth through seventh place, this ain't gonna work. |
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Post by RBHoya on Jun 3, 2011 15:49:14 GMT -5
<Incorrect bracket here>
(The Tuesday bracket) ignores the fact that you can only play 5 games in MSG in a day if you start at like 10 AM AND do some weird stuff with the ticket allotments. AND ignores the fact that Tuesday 10AM tourney games would be awful.
They really just needa leave the bottom 5 home.
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Post by RBHoya on Jun 3, 2011 15:58:05 GMT -5
Nevermind, Wednesday would be:
12 vs. 5
11 vs. 6
10 vs. 7
9 vs. 8
Thursday would be:
8 vs. 1
7 vs. 2
6 vs. 3
5 vs. 4
Friday would be
1 vs. 4
2 vs. 3
and Saturday Finals
Still, the points about Tuesday games and 5 games in 1 day stand.
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