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Post by SFHoya99 on May 6, 2011 10:42:02 GMT -5
Somewhere in College Park, a dry cleaner's is preparing to file bankruptcy. Nonsense. Gary may not be coaching, but that doesn't mean Gary is moving any further away from the co-eds than he has to.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on May 6, 2011 10:51:19 GMT -5
Alabama is all about football! Regular season and Spring practice. During basketball season the talk on radio is about football recruiting. Would love to see Grant with the Maryland job....I don't believe for one minute that Shaka Smart could not get out of his contract.....Another possibility would be Tubby Smith.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on May 6, 2011 10:51:58 GMT -5
A counter. Anything is possible, but: 1. Jay Wright is a Villanova guy. He grew up outside of Philly, went to Bucknell, coached at Drexel and at Nova under Rollie. He's turned down interest from better schools than Maryland. 2. Dixon has turned down similar/better schools. He's a West Coast Guy. He's finally got some elite recruits coming in. 3. I could see Brey jumping. He's from the mid-Atlantic, right? He's struggled to recruit too well at ND. And it's so second fiddle there. I think it'd be a mistake, since this year probably bought him about five more stress-free years. 4. Arizona does incredibly well in Socal and Miller is coming off a great year. Arizona has as good or better a history. Basically, unless Maryland comes up with complete FU money, you're counting on the ACC, and I just don't see it except for Brey. Brey is from Bethesda and coached at DeMatha....definite ties to the area
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Post by the_way on May 6, 2011 11:01:24 GMT -5
Somewhere in College Park, a dry cleaner's is preparing to file bankruptcy. Nonsense. Gary may not be coaching, but that doesn't mean Gary is moving any further away from the co-eds than he has to. Gary recently married. It was mentioned on the radio. It happened a few weeks ago apparently.
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Post by dchead on May 6, 2011 11:17:28 GMT -5
UMCP message boards are reporting that AD Kevin Anderson is heading out to Arizona today to meet with Miller.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on May 6, 2011 11:24:09 GMT -5
Countdown to flight radar...
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Post by Oh My! on May 6, 2011 11:34:29 GMT -5
Names in the mix? 1. Brad Stevens: No. He's from Indiana, never left, and has a good great thing going at Butler. People think he'll listen to Indiana someday, but College Park sure isn't Bloomington. 2. Shaka Smart? Just signed the extension. Would look bad if he walked away at this point. 2A. Mike Anderson? Would look really bad. 3. Sean Miller? I think Arizona is still a better job and the pressure isn't as severe. 4. Mike Brey? They're talking to him but he's also negotiating an extension. Good timing. 5. Jay Wright? What does it gain him? He's well paid at Nova and the argument about I-A football rings hollow because he will still be in demand regardless. Once they get through this list, who else is there? Mark Turgeon: Has done great things at Texas A&M. Buzz Williams: Always seems to be on the move. Anthony Grant: Enough star-power for the Terps fans? Josh Pastner: Memphis may be a tougher job than Maryland is. Johnny Dawkins: Don't laugh, they hired a Dukie once and he turned out OK. At least we know it won't be Bruce Pearl, though if he had kept clean, he would have been an interesting choice. But if Maryland starts going down a public list and coming up short, it's going to get people grumbling, which is why Georgetown was incredibly smart not to negotiate in public in 2004. When they strike out with all of those guys: 1) Brey has family here, but a great gig in the best conference in America 2) As stated above, Arizona & Pitt are better jobs than MD 3) Jay Wright would have issues w/ the Admissions standards at MD (Villanova has gotten at least 3 former MD targets over the past few years that couldn't qualify for UMCP) 4) Stephens will take over for Crean when that opens & he'll wait in Indy until it does 5) The 2ndary list doesn't really have "flash", and it's important to note that 2 people are running the Athletic Department at MD: Kevin Anderson & Kevin Plank. They may not have gone for flash in their FB search, but they are likely to in replacing Gary. They also will want to look at MD ties to when Gary *did* get good recruits. Someone earlier mentioned Dave Dickerson (great call & a great recruiter), but I haven't seen the name Jimmy Patsos yet. He was Gary's 2nd-longest tenured assistant & is a phenomenal recruiter: he just happens to be coaching at Loyola-B'more. Finally, Lonergan would certainly be a viable target, but with the hubbub this morning that GWU will announce him as Hobbs' replacement, the next 2 days could get very interesting. It's very possible there will be a urination contest between Foggy Bottom & College Park. I know Lonergan well, and if he has a chance at the MD job, he'll take it. The only reason he left there under Gary was to get Head Coaching experience at the D-I level. Another local guy w/ Duke ties is Wojo, who is from B'more, but has never been a head coach. My "prediction" (FWIW---which ain't much): Lonergan to UMD Patsos to GWU Wojo to Vermont or Loyola (Loyola #1 for him if Patsos goes) Brey stays in South Bend (& in the Big East) Miller stays in Tucson. Dixon stays in the Zoo (& in the Big East) Wright stays off the Main Line (& in the Big East) due to academics Smart gets more time to prove himself & gets a great opportunity in next 2-3 years Grant wants the Florida job, and they are likely to want him soon Buzz moves a lot but he is (IN THE BIG EAST) Of course, I'm probably wrong!
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 6, 2011 11:42:04 GMT -5
Why would the usual suspects (Dixon, Brey, etc.) ever move? They have great job security (Dixon no final fours despite years of regular season success) and don't have to deal with a delusional fan base that expects too much from their program from year to year (sound familiar)!
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Post by Boz on May 6, 2011 12:06:35 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't care all that much about this, but I think at this point, I would really love it if UMCP didn't get Sean Miller.
If only for the reasons that (A) the majority of their fans seem to have already messed their pants at the prospect of him becoming their coach; and (B) those same fans seem to think this is a done deal....assuming, that is, that their school would deign to offer the job.
Umm, fellas?? The last decade hasn't exactly been a showcase for the unfettered glory that is the UMCP basketball program.
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Post by theexorcist on May 6, 2011 12:34:24 GMT -5
1. If Brey's a good coach, Maryland has a bigger reach than Notre Dame. Admissions standards are lower and UMCP has access to more players. Brey can stay at ND and win 18-20 games a year and never make the final four, or he can go to Maryland where the stakes and potential is higher.
2. Patsos is insane. He seems like a great guy, but he was the one who double-teamed Stephen Curry during a game. No chance at Maryland - MAYBE GW (though they're trying to upgrade their program and taking a flier on this guy doesn't sound like a good idea).
3. This has been a good decade for UMCP - they won the national championship and made two final fours. They were admittedly at the beginning of the decade, but a national championship is a national championship.
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Post by RBHoya on May 6, 2011 12:38:30 GMT -5
Names in the mix? 1. Brad Stevens: No. He's from Indiana, never left, and has a good great thing going at Butler. People think he'll listen to Indiana someday, but College Park sure isn't Bloomington. 2. Shaka Smart? Just signed the extension. Would look bad if he walked away at this point. 2A. Mike Anderson? Would look really bad. 3. Sean Miller? I think Arizona is still a better job and the pressure isn't as severe. 4. Mike Brey? They're talking to him but he's also negotiating an extension. Good timing. 5. Jay Wright? What does it gain him? He's well paid at Nova and the argument about I-A football rings hollow because he will still be in demand regardless. Once they get through this list, who else is there? Mark Turgeon: Has done great things at Texas A&M. Buzz Williams: Always seems to be on the move. Anthony Grant: Enough star-power for the Terps fans? Josh Pastner: Memphis may be a tougher job than Maryland is. Johnny Dawkins: Don't laugh, they hired a Dukie once and he turned out OK. At least we know it won't be Bruce Pearl, though if he had kept clean, he would have been an interesting choice. But if Maryland starts going down a public list and coming up short, it's going to get people grumbling, which is why Georgetown was incredibly smart not to negotiate in public in 2004. When they strike out with all of those guys: 1) Brey has family here, but a great gig in the best conference in America 2) As stated above, Arizona & Pitt are better jobs than MD 3) Jay Wright would have issues w/ the Admissions standards at MD (Villanova has gotten at least 3 former MD targets over the past few years that couldn't qualify for UMCP) 4) Stephens will take over for Crean when that opens & he'll wait in Indy until it does 5) The 2ndary list doesn't really have "flash", and it's important to note that 2 people are running the Athletic Department at MD: Kevin Anderson & Kevin Plank. They may not have gone for flash in their FB search, but they are likely to in replacing Gary. They also will want to look at MD ties to when Gary *did* get good recruits. Someone earlier mentioned Dave Dickerson (great call & a great recruiter), but I haven't seen the name Jimmy Patsos yet. He was Gary's 2nd-longest tenured assistant & is a phenomenal recruiter: he just happens to be coaching at Loyola-B'more. Finally, Lonergan would certainly be a viable target, but with the hubbub this morning that GWU will announce him as Hobbs' replacement, the next 2 days could get very interesting. It's very possible there will be a urination contest between Foggy Bottom & College Park. I know Lonergan well, and if he has a chance at the MD job, he'll take it. The only reason he left there under Gary was to get Head Coaching experience at the D-I level. Another local guy w/ Duke ties is Wojo, who is from B'more, but has never been a head coach. My "prediction" (FWIW---which ain't much): Lonergan to UMD Patsos to GWU Wojo to Vermont or Loyola (Loyola #1 for him if Patsos goes) Brey stays in South Bend (& in the Big East) Miller stays in Tucson. Dixon stays in the Zoo (& in the Big East) Wright stays off the Main Line (& in the Big East) due to academics Smart gets more time to prove himself & gets a great opportunity in next 2-3 years Grant wants the Florida job, and they are likely to want him soon Buzz moves a lot but he is (IN THE BIG EAST) Of course, I'm probably wrong! I don't see any way that Pitt and Zona are better jobs. At best, they're even. But where are all the good basketball players coming out of Pitt/Central PA, or Arizona? Dixon has built that program up through hardwork and NYC recruiting, however, it does not have the measureables of Maryland. Arizona, similar story. I mean you can have enough talent to win a national championship within like an hours drive from campus at Maryland, between Baltimore, DC and Northern VA. If you can make inroads in Philly, NY/NJ or Tidewater on top of that, forget about it. How many NBA players have come out of the Balt/DC area just over the last 7 or 8 years? Anthony, Gay, Green, Summers, Beasley, Vasquez, Hibbert, Greene, Cunningham, Alexander... then you've got those who are still undergrads from the area... Wright, Freeman, Vaughn, Nolan Smith, Roscoe Smith, CJ Fair, Kris Joseph, Wally Judge, and on and on. Not to mention a lot of guys who've been really good college players but not pros like Reynolds, Onuaku, Washington, etc... I mean I could go on all day, the point is, the talent in this area is off the charts, and if you can keep it home, you can compete not just for the conference title but for the national title, EVERY YEAR. And Maryland prettty much meets every other checkbox, the only thing they've been missing is a head coach who can recruit. That's why I fear a guy like Anthony Grant, because I think kids will be lining up to play for him . I would love nothing more than to see this search go down the NC St path, see everybody flirt with them a little to get a raise at their current school and then stay home. But I don't see it, I think their job is too strong.
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Post by kchoya on May 6, 2011 13:00:49 GMT -5
Why would Patsos be attractive to any school? Here's how he's finished in the mighty MAAC conference:
9th 6th 3rd (tie) 3rd (tie) 7th (tie) 8th 5th
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Post by Oh My! on May 6, 2011 13:09:20 GMT -5
Why would Patsos be attractive to any school? Here's how he's finished in the mighty MAAC conference: 9th 6th 3rd (tie) 3rd (tie) 7th (tie) 8th 5th Because he brought in most of Gary's recruits that helped bring MD a National Championship (Steve Blake, Juan Dixon, Lonnie Baxter, & Drew Nicholas: Dickerson brought in Chris Wilcox & Byron Mouton). *edit*: By no means am I saying he should be the "lead" candidate, but he deserves consideration. He's also friends w/ Plank. Finally, I did insinuate that recruiting to Loyola B-more is not easy. I frankly think taking a team that was 1-27 & getting over .500 within a couple years is more than commendable. **2nd edit**: Plus, he was always great to me as a bartender at 3rd Edition!
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Post by wahoohoya on May 6, 2011 13:22:14 GMT -5
I don't see any way that Pitt and Zona are better jobs. At best, they're even. But where are all the good basketball players coming out of Pitt/Central PA, or Arizona? Dixon has built that program up through hardwork and NYC recruiting, however, it does not have the measureables of Maryland. Arizona, similar story. I mean you can have enough talent to win a national championship within like an hours drive from campus at Maryland, between Baltimore, DC and Northern VA. If you can make inroads in Philly, NY/NJ or Tidewater on top of that, forget about it. How many NBA players have come out of the Balt/DC area just over the last 7 or 8 years? Anthony, Gay, Green, Summers, Beasley, Vasquez, Hibbert, Greene, Cunningham, Alexander... then you've got those who are still undergrads from the area... Wright, Freeman, Vaughn, Nolan Smith, Roscoe Smith, CJ Fair, Kris Joseph, Wally Judge, and on and on. Not to mention a lot of guys who've been really good college players but not pros like Reynolds, Onuaku, Washington, etc... I mean I could go on all day, the point is, the talent in this area is off the charts, and if you can keep it home, you can compete not just for the conference title but for the national title, EVERY YEAR. And Maryland prettty much meets every other checkbox, the only thing they've been missing is a head coach who can recruit. That's why I fear a guy like Anthony Grant, because I think kids will be lining up to play for him . I would love nothing more than to see this search go down the NC St path, see everybody flirt with them a little to get a raise at their current school and then stay home. But I don't see it, I think their job is too strong. Definitely agree that Pitt isn't a better job. Arizona is probably a push, although possibly more overall support at Maryland and you are certainly more in the national spotlight. Lot of great players in this area but a lot more competition. Arizona has that west coast alternate vibe going on which seems to attract a ton of quality talent. You can recruit well and win at either program. Wouldn't shock me if Miller winds up at Maryland. But it's laughable that their fans think that will cause every other program in the country to recoil in fear.
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Post by the_way on May 6, 2011 14:02:17 GMT -5
Why would Patsos be attractive to any school? Here's how he's finished in the mighty MAAC conference: 9th 6th 3rd (tie) 3rd (tie) 7th (tie) 8th 5th Because he brought in most of Gary's recruits that helped bring MD a National Championship (Steve Blake, Juan Dixon, Lonnie Baxter, & Drew Nicholas: Dickerson brought in Chris Wilcox & Byron Mouton). *edit*: By no means am I saying he should be the "lead" candidate, but he deserves consideration. He's also friends w/ Plank. Finally, I did insinuate that recruiting to Loyola B-more is not easy. I frankly think taking a team that was 1-27 & getting over .500 within a couple years is more than commendable. **2nd edit**: Plus, he was always great to me as a bartender at 3rd Edition! It wasn't just Patsos. It was also Billy Haun and guys like Dave Dickerson. I doubt they would give Patsos the job.
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Post by nychoya3 on May 6, 2011 14:07:39 GMT -5
There are a lot of things that go into making x a better job than y, but maybe the biggest one is the compensation package/job security. That's the part we're not highly privy too (or at least I'm too lazy to look up). But if Maryland is prepared to significantly increase the salaries of guys like Miller or Dixon, they will absolutely listen. Yes, all these coaches want to win, but they're all cocky and they probably think they can win just about anywhere. The money and the perks (am I flying charters when I go to French Lick to recruit etc.) play a big role.
Miller would be a slam dunk for them. On the plus side, he will recruit the whole country, not just DC area, and probably won't have much impact on what we do.
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Post by professorhoya on May 6, 2011 14:22:16 GMT -5
I don't see any way that Pitt and Zona are better jobs. At best, they're even. But where are all the good basketball players coming out of Pitt/Central PA, or Arizona? Dixon has built that program up through hardwork and NYC recruiting, however, it does not have the measureables of Maryland. Arizona, similar story. I mean you can have enough talent to win a national championship within like an hours drive from campus at Maryland, between Baltimore, DC and Northern VA. If you can make inroads in Philly, NY/NJ or Tidewater on top of that, forget about it. How many NBA players have come out of the Balt/DC area just over the last 7 or 8 years? Anthony, Gay, Green, Summers, Beasley, Vasquez, Hibbert, Greene, Cunningham, Alexander... then you've got those who are still undergrads from the area... Wright, Freeman, Vaughn, Nolan Smith, Roscoe Smith, CJ Fair, Kris Joseph, Wally Judge, and on and on. Not to mention a lot of guys who've been really good college players but not pros like Reynolds, Onuaku, Washington, etc... I mean I could go on all day, the point is, the talent in this area is off the charts, and if you can keep it home, you can compete not just for the conference title but for the national title, EVERY YEAR. And Maryland prettty much meets every other checkbox, the only thing they've been missing is a head coach who can recruit. That's why I fear a guy like Anthony Grant, because I think kids will be lining up to play for him . I would love nothing more than to see this search go down the NC St path, see everybody flirt with them a little to get a raise at their current school and then stay home. But I don't see it, I think their job is too strong. I would disagree. While I do think there is alot of talent in the DMV and Philly I think the big problem is that you also have alot of local schools competing for that talent. Georgetown, Virginia Tech, VCU, ODU, George Mason, UVA, GW, the North Carolina Schools, the Philadelphia schools and NYC/NJ schools. There are so many schools to choose from and I think Maryland is a less desirable destination. Out west, Arizona is probably the top school in the Arizona/New Mexico region and a great destination for California kids who want to move away from home. Pitt is comparable to Maryland IMO but does have the luxury of not having much competition in it's location. There's basically a circular area from Ohio State to Philly where Pitt is the best school to go to. Maryland is basically a DC school geographically but stuck in Maryland. So has sort of an identity crisis which confuses recruits IMO. You end up having to try to sell the city of D.C. instead of Maryland. (Then why not just go to Georgetown). It's not really a college town (like UVA or Tech) but isn't really in the city either (like Georgetown or GW), so once again a hard sell.
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Post by damnhoya on May 6, 2011 14:26:21 GMT -5
Rumor out west is Miller will take the job. We'll see.
Maryland is a very good job (as much as Gtown fans want to deny it). Also, the whole area is a hotbed of talent for recruiting.
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Post by Oh My! on May 6, 2011 14:31:12 GMT -5
Because he brought in most of Gary's recruits that helped bring MD a National Championship (Steve Blake, Juan Dixon, Lonnie Baxter, & Drew Nicholas: Dickerson brought in Chris Wilcox & Byron Mouton). *edit*: By no means am I saying he should be the "lead" candidate, but he deserves consideration. He's also friends w/ Plank. Finally, I did insinuate that recruiting to Loyola B-more is not easy. I frankly think taking a team that was 1-27 & getting over .500 within a couple years is more than commendable. **2nd edit**: Plus, he was always great to me as a bartender at 3rd Edition! It wasn't just Patsos. It was also Billy Haun and guys like Dave Dickerson. I doubt they would give Patsos the job. If you re-read my post, you'll see I give props to Dickerson. As for Ha*H*n, he was Associate Head Coach by that time, & Patsos/Dickerson did most of the legwork on the recruiting trail. We all know why Hahn is out of the picture, and he actually fits in well as Huggy Bear's assistant. As for being so down on Patsos, I REPEAT, I'm not saying he's a lead candidate, but his successful history in the program & VERY strong local recruiting ties should at least put him under consideration. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but Patsos has a much better reputation locally than many observers think.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on May 6, 2011 14:31:48 GMT -5
that would be bad for gtown if miller takes the job....very solid recruiter
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