bmack
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Post by bmack on Mar 9, 2005 20:20:17 GMT -5
Will some one on the board help Ray Reed make a lay-up.....My heart is pounding!!!!
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Post by ][-][ 0 `/ /-\ 5 on Mar 9, 2005 20:21:30 GMT -5
Ray Reed is scaring me every time he touches the ball
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idhoya
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Post by idhoya on Mar 9, 2005 20:55:45 GMT -5
just made the biggest stop of the game though! only thing he's done all game. i was yelling "get him out" all night!!
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Post by idhoya on Mar 9, 2005 20:57:55 GMT -5
then he fouls!!
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 9, 2005 22:23:41 GMT -5
Eratic Ray, though he makes bonehead plays and often looks terrible on offense, is the best defensive guard we've got. He's much better at covering his man than Ashanti and Jon. He makes me pull my hair out as well, but unfortunatly Jon and at times Ashanti just get blown by, and thus JT3 gives us RayRay to try to put a stop to it.
If only Jon could play D like Ray or Ray could control tempo/shoot like Jon, wed have ourselves a heck of a point guard prospect.
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Post by ][-][ 0 `/ /-\ 5 on Mar 9, 2005 22:59:29 GMT -5
from what ive seen crawford is a way better defending guard.
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Post by MetsHatHoya on Mar 9, 2005 23:02:54 GMT -5
although ray is erratic as heck.....we will dfntly need him vs uconn to D up on williams.....that guy killed us last time we played up at storrs....seemed to penetrate with ease every time down the court for an easy dish to one of the bigs....
cant wait for sapp
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 9, 2005 23:07:30 GMT -5
from what ive seen crawford is a way better defending guard. RayRays quicker though. Against smaller, quicker guards, I think hes our best stopper. Tyler maybe a better defender overall, but Reed plays tough D... I think we have to give him that.
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Post by ][-][ 0 `/ /-\ 5 on Mar 9, 2005 23:08:57 GMT -5
true but I'd still like to see crawford try his best on williams. As long as we don't leave williams to wallace
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HoyaNyr320
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Mar 10, 2005 0:41:53 GMT -5
I am one of those people that absolutely hates Ray Reed's game. That being said, we're definitely going to need him to step up and play serious minutes against Anderson if we're going to have a chance tommorrow. We saw in the last game that Wallace WILL NOT be able to defend against Anderson. However, Reed leaves us with a SERIOUS hole on our offensive end and could be disasterous if UConn throws a press at us again. This is why I think when Reed is in the game, we should have Cook bring up the ball and run the offense. Let Reed be a 2 on our offense- only sparingly handling the ball- and have Cook do his best to run the 1. If Reed can be in the game without turning over the ball on offense, then our firepower with Cook, Bowman, Green, and Hibbert might be enough to take UConn if they all have career games. As mentioned in an earlier thread, Hibbert must step up BIG TIME against UConn. I'm excited that we at least have another shot at these guys. Going to be a dogfight, but if we can stay within 5 rebounds of UConn and not get into foul trouble, that would be a huge improvement.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Mar 10, 2005 3:42:11 GMT -5
Simply put , Reed is the only guard we have that can keep the UConn guards from killing us in transition and breaking down our entire team in the paint, so we better hope he is a superstar tomorrow......
Wallace can't guard Marcus Williams, so let's pray that we shoot very well, REBOUND, and play very good interior defense.............OTW it will be another 15-20 point loss.
LETS GO HOYAS.............I BELIEVE
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Mar 10, 2005 6:16:32 GMT -5
from what ive seen crawford is a way better defending guard. I'm not exactly sure what you've seen but every time I see Crawford on D, he's committing some over agressive foul. I like his hustle but I've seen nothing that shows that he is close to the defensive player that Reed is plus they need to defend different types anyway. We need Reed to keep up with smaller, quicker guards while Crawford size would lend him to playing against the bigger guards that are too big for Cook or Wallace. Like I said above, I still haven't seen it from Crawford but I do like his hustle.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 10, 2005 9:09:58 GMT -5
What about Reed almost coming up with the foul on the three? Thank god they called that on the floor.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Mar 10, 2005 9:15:43 GMT -5
What about Reed almost coming up with the foul on the three? Thank god they called that on the floor. Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades and definitely never counts in a close BET win. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by the_way on Mar 10, 2005 9:21:39 GMT -5
If I hadn't watched the game last night, I would think Ray Reed is the worst player in the world based on the above assessments. However, I did watch the game and he didn't do anything "to scare someone to death" or hurt us last night. The foul at the end was on the floor. Yes, we didn't want that, but we were up by 4. Beforehand, he made a great defensive play to make the guy change his shot and throw away the ball near the end of the game. Ray is a defender, not much offense. I thought he did a decent job last night for what he is asked to do,and we are definitely going to need his defense tonight. Crawford is more of a hard-nose/banger inside 3 player in a 2 guards body.
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Post by FOTP on Mar 10, 2005 9:43:31 GMT -5
5 fouls and 3 TOs in 20 minutes? The fouls matter because it puts other teams into the bonus later.
I'm in the minority, but Reed is an ok defender. Yeah, I'll admit he's quick, but he's overaggressive on D.
Plus, he's a complete and utter liability on offense. You can't run our offense if one player can't or won't shoot open shots. It kills the whole flow of the game.
I know the kid needs to play due to depth issues and for quicker and smaller guards, but let's not get too excited about his defense.
I'd rather have some offensive threats on the floor and play zone against UCONN.
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Mar 10, 2005 9:55:23 GMT -5
play zone?? we CAN'T play zone against UCONN... they'll DESTROY us. we need either Ray Reed or Tyler Crawford to step up and defend Anderson. If either can do that, then we need Green and Hibbert to take on Villinoava and Boone... it's a long shot, but it requires us to play man-to-man just so that we can get w/in 5 rebounds of them.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 10, 2005 10:26:26 GMT -5
I'll echo what my illustious colleague "Money" said earlier...why is Reed held to a different standard?
Jon: 21min, 1-2FG, 1-13pt, 0-0FT, 1R, 3A, 1TO, 3PF, 3Pts Ray: 20min 1-3FG, 0-03pt, 1-2FT, 3R, 1A, 3TO, 5PF, 3Pts
I'm not a big Reed supporter, but I'll give him his props when they are due. Lay off him. I'm just saying, he played with fire. He grabbed 3 boards and at times he was one of the few people who stuck his man, boxed out and went for the board. What else does a role player need to do? Sure, he had trouble finishing, but at least he attacked the basket. I didn't see any other guards doing that. When I did see Wallace do it, he also missed his layup. Just getting to the basket was impressive enough last night as NOONE else seemed to be able or willing to do it last night. Perhaps, if anyone had crashed to the basket with him he could have dished it off instead of getting caught with a couple circus shots and brick.
Also, two of his fouls were got because he was scrapping for rebounds under the boards against one or two of Seton Hall's forwards. That's way better than Bowman's foul at near half court or Wallace's "can't move my feet fast enough" grabs. It showed he was hustling and showing heart...and on the wrong end of the whistle. Besides at least one of his fouls was a total phantom call -- the one that came off a Jeff Green hook-shot airball...and Reed was fighting for a rebound against sweet (?) who clearly hand checked reed in the chest as they scrapped, but the whistle blew and reed got the foul.
People bemoan Reed's lack of offense, but the fact of the matter is he is one of the few backcourt players we have who is absolutely fearless. Does that hinder us sometimes? Hell yes. He gets out of control and does some bonehead things, such as turnovers and ticktacky fouls -- the foul on Seton Hall that put the game back in question comes to mind-- but I would rather have a scrapper like Reed in the game tomorrow, someone I know will run with his man all night and hinder their path to the basket -- like he did against SHU's wunderkind Cerasoli -- than a guard who seems to be more of a doorman just hoping for his Christmas bonus.
This is not to say, I don't want to see more of Tyler, because I do, because I see him as a taller, stronger, more versatile player. But, Tyler is simply not as quick as Ray, nor does he have the ball-handling skills that Ray does. In fact, Ray was the only guard who consistantly broke the UConn trap ten days ago. Yes, Tyler is a fiery defender too, and he has a much nicer shot and seems to understand the offense better, but I'm pretty sure that JTIII is bringing guys off the bench for defense and right now Ray is the only guy who can keep up with smaller, fleet-footed guards. Sure, Tyler may be able to one one day, but as of now, Ray beats him hands down on that one.
My point -- I don't think the criticisms of Reed are completely true or fair. Some people on the board seem incapable of seeing the positives he brings to the table and only focus on the negatives. It's as if there is some sort of personal grudge or feud I'm unaware of. Did he kill someone's father? Does he have six fingers? Is your name Inigo Montoya?
If not, please just give him a chance and realize he's a positive role player, because he's showing a lot of what people are criticizing us for having a lack of -- "heart." Do I want him to start? No. Do I think he should be behind Tyler? Depends on the situation...it's not as clear cut as some people make it out to be.
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Post by the_way on Mar 10, 2005 10:33:47 GMT -5
I think you hit it right on the head Cambridge. Good post.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 10, 2005 10:43:14 GMT -5
Great post, Cambridge. I have never understood why people hate Reed so much. Like any player, he has his strengths and weaknesses. As he is a Hoya and seems to play hard, we should all support him. Although we don't have to love his game, I can't really understand the negativity some posters show toward him. Despite making some mistakes, Reed made one of the only true drives to the basket that we had last night...then at the end he made a spectacular defensive move for the play of the game. Cut the guy some slack.
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