Moses Ayegba Discussion, Part 2

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Apr 26, 2011 10:17:45 GMT -5 bronxhoya87 said:

Fools cant see potential. Typical of our basketball ignorant fan base.

Exactly, some, not all have no clue. All I can do is put it out there for some folks to read and comprehend, learn (including me by writing it). It's on my mind, so I write it down to get some positive feeback.

Yet but I already know...love and know thisgame, and I know others do to and I respect that...Glide ;D

[ScreamingHoya]

This entire thread makes my head hurt. And I'm still convinced that Bronx is Charlie Sheen.

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Apr 26, 2011 14:35:38 GMT -5 kchoya said:

Apr 26, 2011 14:27:36 GMT -5 btb (Account Inactive) said:

Coaches also look at the little things players do that add to the big picture...I saw that Moses did a few things that were different in a matter of moments. As I stated above, "it's the little things that you do that add to the big picture." Moses does this I have seen him in the Kenner League also. He's literally the strongest person on the court or of any on both teams. He alters and blocks shots. Sometimes Moses used on hand or both hands, but he clearly sends messages to his opponents. You're not just looking at video. You're looking at what the player is doing no matter what team, conference they're in. I'm not saying Moses is a superstar but I know he can be and plus Big Mo is a Bulll...Moses "Vice-Grip" Ayegba...once Mo gets the ball in his hands it's his! Moses does not fumble the ball his skill is catching up with his strength. He got 3 years to win the chip...young fella keep his arms and hands up to that's why he gets so many, tips, blocks, steals...wingspan is crazy...that's just how he is...

Ok, we get it. You're a better coach than JT3.

Noooo, you don't got it, lol! From reading what I wrote up above, I don't recall writing your above statement. It's better to "ask" than too assume. Keep it classy...This is how I role

This is a message and some people are coaches and only give thier viewpoint on some things, that that is all. I am not the Hoyas coach. Coach John Thompson III is the coach of the Georgetown Hoyas. Great man and great coach. No one is perfect. On to the next one...

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Apr 26, 2011 14:42:37 GMT -5 ScreamingHoya said:

This entire thread makes my head hurt. And I'm still convinced that Bronx is Charlie Sheen.

I have some children's aspirin

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Apr 26, 2011 12:42:22 GMT -5 TC said:

I am literally shaking my head. If you watch the first 6:40 of the video, you get a little context as to why the bench all look like All Americans.

my bad 6:54 minute 2 blocks in one play, oh and plus that pass williambraskiii...

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Apr 26, 2011 9:44:54 GMT -5 williambraskyiii said:

Yay! Moses made a pass against Loyola!

It doesn't matter what team he's playing against. Moses is not thinking that, Moses is thinking bust his butt out there and doing what he has to do for his team...

6:54 minute, my bad, great things in limited minutes, the little thing like what you see in the video about Moses add up to the big picture...gotta play him man...

[OldHoyafan]

Wow, for the first and only time, I saw Freeman out front playing the 2 guard with Vee as pg, Hollis at small forward, Lubick at big forward, and Sims at center. Man, I would have loved to have seen Freeman out front playing the 2 guard position more this year, but it was not to be. I think its safe to say that the caliber of 2 guard he had to defend in the Loyola game was a lot lower than the caliber of 2 guard he would have had to cover in the BE.

[hoyarooter]

Apr 26, 2011 10:37:46 GMT -5 chep3 said:

Man, bronxie has to be the most polarizing poster I can remember on this board.

I'm with him on this one, not to the extent that Moses is ready right now, but that he's got some potential, and we're going to need it at the 5. I'm not sure if Tyler will be ready from Day 1. He's not a clear star freshman, and freshman often take time in our system. I think Tyler is likely to be one of those guys. And I'm not that certain of how Henry will do next year because his end of the year was a real struggle. But even if he plays like he did at the start of the season, he has problems with bulky centers and can get pushed around. I see Henry getting around 20 mins at the 5, with 20 more to be doled out between Moses and Tyler. If Moses doesn't get time, chances are, we're going to struggle more inside next year than we did this past year.

+1

[FrazierFanatic]

Apr 27, 2011 2:04:32 GMT -5 hoyarooter said:

Apr 26, 2011 10:37:46 GMT -5 chep3 said:

Man, bronxie has to be the most polarizing poster I can remember on this board.

I'm with him on this one, not to the extent that Moses is ready right now, but that he's got some potential, and we're going to need it at the 5. I'm not sure if Tyler will be ready from Day 1. He's not a clear star freshman, and freshman often take time in our system. I think Tyler is likely to be one of those guys. And I'm not that certain of how Henry will do next year because his end of the year was a real struggle. But even if he plays like he did at the start of the season, he has problems with bulky centers and can get pushed around. I see Henry getting around 20 mins at the 5, with 20 more to be doled out between Moses and Tyler. If Moses doesn't get time, chances are, we're going to struggle more inside next year than we did this past year.

+1

Bronxie is the oyster bed of HoyaTalk - for every 50 fishy, slimy posts you pry open, you may find one pearl of thought! ;D

[bronxhoya87]

You may not like Bronxitos but he knows his basketball ISH.

[FrazierFanatic]

Apr 27, 2011 15:10:14 GMT -5 bronxhoya87 said:

You may not like Bronxitos but he knows his basketball ISH.

Sometimes.

[bronxhoya87]

Siempre!

Apr 27, 2011 15:21:35 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Apr 27, 2011 15:10:14 GMT -5 bronxhoya87 said:

You may not like Bronxitos but he knows his basketball ISH.

Sometimes.

[FrazierFanatic]

Apr 27, 2011 15:50:13 GMT -5 bronxhoya87 said:

Siempre!

Apr 27, 2011 15:21:35 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Sometimes.

Sometimes.

[RBHoya]

The consensus always seems to be that Moses has such tremendous potential, but I'm not sure what anybody has seen to think that other than the most superficial thing--he's big and passes "the look test". I'm not saying that he necessarily doesn't have potential, just that I'm really not sure what anybody has seen in him to be so certain of it. People seem to think that because he is 6'8.5 and Nigerian, we're clearly sitting on a gold mine. Truth is, there are hundreds of kids across the country every year who are 6'8-6'9, and a lot of them stink. Again this is not to say that Moses stinks, but just that I don't think there's anything about him that ensures us that he's this great untapped potential. Having a good body does not make you a good basketball player, and there are a million examples through the years to prove it.

Blind comparison, ready?

Player A: 6'8.5 Center, born in Africa and came to the game a little bit later in life. Averaged 15 pts, 16 boards and 11 blocks a game in high school. Saw only garbage minutes as a freshman at Georgetown, despite playing in a frontcourt that was not exactly deep.

Player B: 6'9 Center, born in Africa and came to the game a little bit later in life. Averaged 21 points, 15 boards and 9 blocks a game in high school. Saw only garbage minutes as a freshman at Georgetown, despite playing in a frontcourt that was not exactly deep.



Player A is Moses Ayegba. Player B is Cornelio Guibunda. After leaving GU, Guibunda was an ok reserve bigman at AU. However, would it have been at all appropriate to say that he had great potential as a freshman at GU? He couldn't beat out Amadou (or Sead, even) and Moses as a freshman couldn't beat out Sims or Benimon. Now, I am NOT saying that Moses will be Guibunda, however, their resumes through the end of their freshman years are more or less identical (Moses has a little more bulk to him, but that's about all). I don't think that Moses has demonstrated much of anything for now. I think it's silly for people to say things like "III needs to just play him, he just needs time out there." Or, "Moses could be a star, he just needs the lights to go on." Did Cornelio just need the playing time, or the lights to go on? Maybe Moses is different and better, and I hope he is. Only time will tell. But for now, his "potential" is nowhere near the sure thing that some have painted it to be. He could grow into a stud, or he could end up on the end of the bench for some low major. Until he can surpass the Jerelle Benimon's of the world, I am not counting on him for anything. If he finds his way into the rotation next year and provides anything, I'd be thrilled, but until I see it I'm not counting on it.

[TC]

Apr 27, 2011 17:11:15 GMT -5 RBHoya said:

Player A: 6'8.5 Center, born in Africa and came to the game a little bit later in life. Averaged 15 pts, 16 boards and 11 blocks a game in high school. Saw only garbage minutes as a freshman at Georgetown, despite playing in a frontcourt that was not exactly deep.

Player B: 6'9 Center, born in Africa and came to the game a little bit later in life. Averaged 21 points, 15 boards and 9 blocks a game in high school. Saw only garbage minutes as a freshman at Georgetown, despite playing in a frontcourt that was not exactly deep.

Player A : played in a high school division less competitive than the third court of Yates pickup
Player B : played Oak Hill

[KirbyKeger]

I just hope we get the chance to see Moses swat away more shots next season. Maybe a little finger wagging. Just sayin...

[Buckets]

Apr 27, 2011 17:11:15 GMT -5 RBHoya said:

The consensus always seems to be that Moses has such tremendous potential, but I'm not sure what anybody has seen to think that other than the most superficial thing--he's big and passes "the look test". I'm not saying that he necessarily doesn't have potential, just that I'm really not sure what anybody has seen in him to be so certain of it. People seem to think that because he is 6'8.5 and Nigerian, we're clearly sitting on a gold mine. Truth is, there are hundreds of kids across the country every year who are 6'8-6'9, and a lot of them stink. Again this is not to say that Moses stinks, but just that I don't think there's anything about him that ensures us that he's this great untapped potential. Having a good body does not make you a good basketball player, and there are a million examples through the years to prove it.

Blind comparison, ready?

Player A: 6'8.5 Center, born in Africa and came to the game a little bit later in life. Averaged 15 pts, 16 boards and 11 blocks a game in high school. Saw only garbage minutes as a freshman at Georgetown, despite playing in a frontcourt that was not exactly deep.

Player B: 6'9 Center, born in Africa and came to the game a little bit later in life. Averaged 21 points, 15 boards and 9 blocks a game in high school. Saw only garbage minutes as a freshman at Georgetown, despite playing in a frontcourt that was not exactly deep.



Player A is Moses Ayegba. Player B is Cornelio Guibunda. After leaving GU, Guibunda was an ok reserve bigman at AU. However, would it have been at all appropriate to say that he had great potential as a freshman at GU? He couldn't beat out Amadou (or Sead, even) and Moses as a freshman couldn't beat out Sims or Benimon. Now, I am NOT saying that Moses will be Guibunda, however, their resumes through the end of their freshman years are more or less identical (Moses has a little more bulk to him, but that's about all). I don't think that Moses has demonstrated much of anything for now. I think it's silly for people to say things like "III needs to just play him, he just needs time out there." Or, "Moses could be a star, he just needs the lights to go on." Did Cornelio just need the playing time, or the lights to go on? Maybe Moses is different and better, and I hope he is. Only time will tell. But for now, his "potential" is nowhere near the sure thing that some have painted it to be. He could grow into a stud, or he could end up on the end of the bench for some low major. Until he can surpass the Jerelle Benimon's of the world, I am not counting on him for anything. If he finds his way into the rotation next year and provides anything, I'd be thrilled, but until I see it I'm not counting on it.

There are a lot of 6'8"-6'9" kids, but there are not a lot of 240 pound kids who can jump and have long wingspans. FWIW, Rivals listed Guibunda at 204 and Ayegba at 237 -- saying he has "a little more bulk" is like saying that Hibbert had the advantage of being "a little taller."

Also, big guys just take longer. Look at the four centers from the NBA draft who didn't go to Kentucky as freshmen: Cole Aldrich (8.3 mpg), Dexter Pittman (5.3 mpg, 6.8 mpg) Jerome Jordan (7.8 mpg at Tulsa!), Hamady N'Diaye (13.3 mpg). If a guard came in and got the minutes Ayegba did, I'd be concerned. But for now, I'm going to stay excited about a big man with his bulk and hops.

[DFW HOYA]

We do Moses Ayegba a disservice to portray him as the next Dikembe Mutombo, when it is more likely he is a four year player that is still developing his game. After all, Ayegba had all of 10 points and three rebounds for the season, narrowly trailing Aaron Bowen's 7 points and seven rebounds...yet no one (yet) is promoting Bowen as the next David Wingate.

There have been roughly two dozen big men in the Big East era for Georgetown. Ayegba is neither at the front of the list (Ewing, Mourning, Mutombo, Harrington, Hibbert), nor the end (Fleury, Guibunda, Shamel Jones, Gillery, Mateen). The coaches have seen exponentially more of Ayegba than fans have and they'll be the ones to best judge his development, which could be significantly helped by the China trip.

(Corrected for points and minutes, above.)

[KirbyKeger]

Apr 27, 2011 21:43:18 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

We do Moses Ayegba a disservice to portray him as the next Dikembe Mutombo, when it is more likely he is a four year player that is still developing his game. After all, Ayegba had all of 26 points and three rebounds for the season, narrowly trailing Aaron Bowen's 24 points and seven rebounds...yet no one (yet) is promoting Bowen as the next David Wingate.

There have been roughly two dozen big men in the Big East era for Georgetown. Ayegba is neither at the front of the list (Ewing, Mourning, Mutombo, Harrington, Hibbert), nor the end (Fleury, Guibunda, Shamel Jones, Gillery, Mateen). The coaches have seen exponentially more of Ayegba than fans have and they'll be the ones to best judge his development, which could be significantly helped by the China trip.

He had 26 points this season? Really? My guess would've been like 10 tops. Anyways, I agree that the coaches absolutely know best, but I don't think anybody is really expecting Moses to become the next Dikembe or anyone of that nature. However, I do think that a lot of people were excited when JTII called him the best shotblocker he has seen since Ewing, and with that in mind, a good amount of us are just anxious to see him get the chance to develop a little. Its tough not getting to see the players who have been said to have high ceilings get any real time to become better. That is not to say that they're not getting better as players, just that its frustrating as a fan to not be able to watch it happen. I am sure that progress is being made and that the staff is handling this well. However, I would really love to see Moses out there more this coming season, as we could at least get a better idea of what he brings to the table.

[Boz]

Apr 27, 2011 21:43:18 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

The coaches have seen exponentially more of Ayegba than fans have and they'll be the ones to best judge his development.

Well now, that's just crazy talk.