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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 20, 2011 16:23:28 GMT -5
Big was the best to do it.....nobody else was even close to him lyrically
Jigga's got the best resume...Nobody's stayed on top as long as he has, and been able to blend street cred and commercialism like him.
Jada's not Wack...But he's got no marketability...
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 20, 2011 17:57:32 GMT -5
Big's reign on the top was short like Leprechauns therefore he has no claim to the throne. For that 3 year window he was unreal though. Great times to be Bronxie back then. Biggie is hip hop's Terrel Davis a magnificent flash of light on a winning team that did not last long enough. Big was the best to do it.....nobody else was even close to him lyrically Jigga's got the best resume...Nobody's stayed on top as long as he has, and been able to blend street cred and commercialism like him. Jada's not Wack...But he's got no marketability... |
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Post by tgo on Apr 20, 2011 18:52:21 GMT -5
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Post by dense on Apr 20, 2011 19:04:38 GMT -5
There is plenty of great hip-hop still out there, as someone who is in his mid 30's....mos tof the good stuff is off the radar of radio and BET...they sold out loooooong time ago....I mean NYC hip-op isnt on top just cause of course times change and expand......but Sha Stimuli(my personal favorite MC), Skyzoo(my 2nd pick), Torae, Ortiz, Vado still doing some great things for NYC hip-hop....Personally I think Jay will always have the title...Jada is dope too but always like Styles P better, been more consistent. Jada's solo albums non Lox have all been garbage, Ghost has 2 decent solos. Marketability is whats really wrong with hip-hop, thats why we get Rick Ross and Lil Wayne, and why people think Drake is the best...most of the new fangled hip-hop stars are pretty garbage......they dont know how to make albums....
thats why 90's hip-hop heads get all mad at todays hip-hop, they remember the day you could put in a album and listen track to track and not skip.
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Post by dense on Apr 20, 2011 19:06:22 GMT -5
Btw Bronx...I hope that Desire refrence in classics isnt Monche's solo...cause that album was basura....compared to internal affairs...Desire was terribad.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 20, 2011 19:18:09 GMT -5
Desire terrible? In the immortal words of Joe Ski Love.....huh....... what?
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Post by dense on Apr 20, 2011 22:20:34 GMT -5
Yeah it was....I mean 1st debating that its a classic for Monch is silly. Internal Affairs waaay better than Desire. Desire had that terribad 1st single, with Monche doing an Andre 3000 impersonation what was it called Body baby....then a terrible re-do of public enemy's welocme to the terrordome....both those songs fall completely flat on their face. Besides What it is, Trilogy Free and Desire the title track...the rest of that album is Disposable. I mean some of the trilogy isnt even that great.
Simon Says to this day play it in a club, people will get up and dance, or if someone is pumping it out a car, you know it...thats classic
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 21, 2011 8:08:16 GMT -5
Your entitled to your opinion even if it is foolish. Never heard anyone saying anything bad about Desire. Wow first time for everything. Densey where are you from? Yeah it was....I mean 1st debating that its a classic for Monch is silly. Internal Affairs waaay better than Desire. Desire had that terribad 1st single, with Monche doing an Andre 3000 impersonation what was it called Body baby....then a terrible re-do of public enemy's welocme to the terrordome....both those songs fall completely flat on their face. Besides What it is, Trilogy Free and Desire the title track...the rest of that album is Disposable. I mean some of the trilogy isnt even that great. Simon Says to this day play it in a club, people will get up and dance, or if someone is pumping it out a car, you know it...thats classic |
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 21, 2011 8:09:38 GMT -5
Great link brother! Thanks |
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Post by dense on Apr 21, 2011 8:30:57 GMT -5
Your entitled to your opinion even if it is foolish. Never heard anyone saying anything bad about Desire. Wow first time for everything. Densey where are you from? Yeah it was....I mean 1st debating that its a classic for Monch is silly. Internal Affairs waaay better than Desire. Desire had that terribad 1st single, with Monche doing an Andre 3000 impersonation what was it called Body baby....then a terrible re-do of public enemy's welocme to the terrordome....both those songs fall completely flat on their face. Besides What it is, Trilogy Free and Desire the title track...the rest of that album is Disposable. I mean some of the trilogy isnt even that great. Simon Says to this day play it in a club, people will get up and dance, or if someone is pumping it out a car, you know it...thats classic Damn dont know who you talk to most people feel that way about Desire. My opinion is hardly foolish, i mean other albums on your list i think arent that great either, but that one stood out as why pick that one. I mean the new one he put out WAR is better than Desire. I think you picked his worst album solo. I'm from DC, but I spend mad time in NY/NJ. But I think it's foolish for you to even debate whether Internal Affairs is better than Desire...I mean thats not even close.... Behind Closed Doors>>>>>>>>the whole album |
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 21, 2011 11:32:28 GMT -5
War is better than Desire? LOL
Come on shun you are whylin!
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 21, 2011 12:13:24 GMT -5
Another great album post 1998 is Apathy's Wanna Snuggle....Great work!!
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Post by 757hoyafan on Apr 21, 2011 13:02:25 GMT -5
Bronx, what do you think about your boy Fat Joe? He was Bronx this Bronx that, but he has been riding the South hard the last few years. I think that s&it is lame. How in the hell do you go from being in DITC & working w/Pun to working w/clowns like Ace Hood, etc....
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 21, 2011 13:14:31 GMT -5
Never was a Fat Joe guy although the Don Cartagena album was fire. He is a capitalist and is trying to keep food on his table. From a art stand point it is deplorable but from a business standpoint you have to respect him for rolling with the punches and reinventing himself many times over. Bronx, what do you think about your boy Fat Joe? He was Bronx this Bronx that, but he has been riding the South hard the last few years. I think that s&it is lame. How in the hell do you go from being in DITC & working w/Pun to working w/clowns like Ace Hood, etc.... |
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Post by 757hoyafan on Apr 21, 2011 13:55:57 GMT -5
Now that you mentioned that LP, I now remember Puffy(or 1 of the Hitmen doing the beat for the lead single), so I just realized that he has been 1 to ride coattails to make a hit (i.e. working w/Ja, Ashanti & R Kelly).. After Papoose ate his lunch a few years ago, I am surprised the cat hasn't killed himself. If Pap was a lil more popular w/the masses his diss track would have been up there w/Ether, The Bitch in You, No Vaseline, The Bridge is over, etc... Never was a Fat Joe guy although the Don Cartagena album was fire. He is a capitalist and is trying to keep food on his table. From a art stand point it is deplorable but from a business standpoint you have to respect him for rolling with the punches and reinventing himself many times over. Bronx, what do you think about your boy Fat Joe? He was Bronx this Bronx that, but he has been riding the South hard the last few years. I think that s&it is lame. How in the hell do you go from being in DITC & working w/Pun to working w/clowns like Ace Hood, etc.... |
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Post by the_way on Apr 21, 2011 14:09:33 GMT -5
Fat Joe has the charisma and personality to be star, but not the talent. He is only as good as his ghostwriters. He has to ride somebody else's coattails to get a hit and stay alive.
One could say Big Pun, but when Pun was alive, did people think he was in contention for King of New York? I don't think so.
nobody has really held the Bronx down as a rapper since the days of BDP and Ultramagnetic MC's.
its kinda strange, since The Bronx is the birth place of hip-hop.
As far as New York hip-hop in general, they stopped setting trends after the golden era of hip-hop. They have been pretty much followers of other styles from different parts of the country ever since.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Apr 21, 2011 14:19:52 GMT -5
I think Pun was just as good if not better than the cat in your avi. Chris Wallace was a monster; but so was Pun. Even though Pun did get his props but I look @ him the same way that I look @ Marshall----they might not get the actual respect that they really deserve because neither are black...
For some reason I never thought that FJ had other people penning his stuff.. Not that it isn't possible, but this cat was down w/an actual hip hop crew of respected spitters.
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Post by the_way on Apr 21, 2011 14:54:31 GMT -5
early on maybe Fat Joe was writing his own stuff, but i think Pun and others were writing for him.
And no, Pun was nowhere near the level of Biggie. Pun had one style...that tongue-twister stuff.
Biggie could do Bone-Thugs style, the grimy style, the mainstream style, the player style, the storytelling side...he had whole the package.
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Post by dense on Apr 21, 2011 18:03:40 GMT -5
Wow Bronx, Apathy??? didnt like his album Eastern Philosophy?  ?..Apathy is cool, good technical mc...his beat choice at times is bad. Next thing you gonna tell me is you like Esoteric....i mean you pick doozies, Wanna Snuggle is a decent album like Desire is...but for the MC's they come from far less than their best work. I mean like if an album has like 5 good songs on it, its not a classic. I mean Monch is one of my favorites, but i think Desire was the attempt to be in that post -rawkus era of concious hip-hop and it fell flat. He tried too many things and wasnt that good. WAR is so much more cohesive...Internal Affairs is still the best of his solo joints. Good post 1998 albums that i consider near classics that I'll be listening too far after Below the Heavens-Blu &Exile...you'll like that one Bronxie....its got that Common, DeLA vibe you seem to like My Soul to Keep-Sha Stimuli Salvation-Skyzoo Shad-TSOL Apollo Brown-The reset Cunninlynguists-A Piece of Strange Fashawn-Boy Meets World Ghostface Killah-Supreme Clientele(Surprised you didnt have this one on your list) Camp Lo-Uptown Saturday Night Cormega-Tha Realness Celph Tilted and Buckwild-Nineteen ninety now(A guy from Apathys camp) not the best MC's but its grimey hiphop with that DITC feel of the ones you picked Grind Date is definitely in there too. How Ig ot over is in the mix....some cuts im not feeling, but the great tracks are great....so i can see that one. |
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 22, 2011 8:25:26 GMT -5
Camp Lo Uptown Saturday is 1996.......
Of course the Supreme Clientele is great and I am up on the Blu and the Fashawn Boy Meets world albums.
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?..Apathy is cool, good technical mc...his beat choice at times is bad. Next thing you gonna tell me is you like Esoteric....i mean you pick doozies, Wanna Snuggle is a decent album like Desire is...but for the MC's they come from far less than their best work. I mean like if an album has like 5 good songs on it, its not a classic. I mean Monch is one of my favorites, but i think Desire was the attempt to be in that post -rawkus era of concious hip-hop and it fell flat. He tried too many things and wasnt that good. WAR is so much more cohesive...Internal Affairs is still the best of his solo joints.