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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 2, 2011 8:52:19 GMT -5
Can't find it anywhere but SportsCenter is reporting that a few former Calipari players (including DaMarcus Cousins) accepted inproper benefits from a Cal assistant at both Memphis and UK.
Please let the be the start of his end.
Oh, no comments from both Cal and the NCAA
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Apr 2, 2011 13:58:32 GMT -5
Given that their teams are playing each other tonight, I'll pose the question: who's shadier--Calipari or Calhoun?
I'm going with Calipari.
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Post by nashvillehoyas on Apr 2, 2011 15:47:11 GMT -5
The consensus among most fans, if you look at all the programs, especially BCS programs you will find something unclean. There is NOT one program that you can't find some dirt if you look long and hard enough.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 3, 2011 8:22:16 GMT -5
Theres a difference between looking long and hard to find dirt and looking to avoid the dirt that is on the surface. Thats my problem with Cal and Calhoun. I don't understand how Cal is in his 4th HC job when his achievements from two of those have officially not existed. Calhoun is shady and generally runs players out. Honestly I don't think Calhoun is quite as bad as Calpari but I don't think he is the kind of person I would want to hang out with. Calipari on the other hand pays multiple different people every year to get the top recruits, Calhoun mostly doesn't do that.
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Post by RDF on Apr 3, 2011 10:34:13 GMT -5
Theres a difference between looking long and hard to find dirt and looking to avoid the dirt that is on the surface. Thats my problem with Cal and Calhoun. I don't understand how Cal is in his 4th HC job when his achievements from two of those have officially not existed. Calhoun is shady and generally runs players out. Honestly I don't think Calhoun is quite as bad as Calpari but I don't think he is the kind of person I would want to hang out with. Calipari on the other hand pays multiple different people every year to get the top recruits, Calhoun mostly doesn't do that. There is no "level" of being dirty--either you are or aren't. Calhoun is just as bad--and maybe worse--when he embelishes his illness to take spotlight off what is going on when others are critical-and then of course the "Bubble Boy" is just fine as soon as he has a team to his "liking". Kemb-er is one great lead-uh and I'm not a cheat-uh---nev-uh cheat-ud in my lah-fe. --well unless you call paying players--(I know firsthand of the filth and depths UConn sunk to get El Amin) since prior to his winning ways. If anything--Calhoun is far worse--because he/his program share the same league with Georgetown--and the advantages they offered/offer players have played out to success and in the era where winning is all that matters--it's a lot easier to win when you know the "material" can be acquired no matter what the asking price is. Just a sickening thing to see a slap on wrist to a blatant liar/cheater and his reward--a National Championship. |
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Post by jgalt on Apr 3, 2011 11:35:53 GMT -5
So I am reading this book called "Big Hoops a Season in the Big East" by Bill Reynolds about the 88-89 BE season. I dont know how big it was when it came out in 90 because i was 3, so maybe many of you have read it, but regardless:
Pitt was considered a dirty program then mostly because of its football team and because a Nova commit claimed Pitt had offered to pay him 10k to play there. Well the 88-89 season was Coach Paul Evan's second year at Pitt; he had been brought in to clean up the program. Thats all well and good, but here is the passage I find interesting:
"Later in the season, [Evans] will say that if he had to do it all over again, he would not have retained John Calipari as one of his assistants, since Calipari was too identified with the Chipman era."
Dude has been dirty since the day he was born. There is no getting around that.
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Post by RDF on Apr 3, 2011 13:19:13 GMT -5
So I am reading this book called "Big Hoops a Season in the Big East" by Bill Reynolds about the 88-89 BE season. I dont know how big it was when it came out in 90 because i was 3, so maybe many of you have read it, but regardless: Pitt was considered a dirty program then mostly because of its football team and because a Nova commit claimed Pitt had offered to pay him 10k to play there. Well the 88-89 season was Coach Paul Evan's second year at Pitt; he had been brought in to clean up the program. Thats all well and good, but here is the passage I find interesting: "Later in the season, [Evans] will say that if he had to do it all over again, he would not have retained John Calipari as one of his assistants, since Calipari was too identified with the Chipman era." Dude has been dirty since the day he was born. There is no getting around that. Actually--you can go back further then that--Calipari learned under the tutelage of Larry Brown at Kansas. At least he cheats "the right way".  |
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 3, 2011 23:38:37 GMT -5
Theres a difference between looking long and hard to find dirt and looking to avoid the dirt that is on the surface. Thats my problem with Cal and Calhoun. I don't understand how Cal is in his 4th HC job when his achievements from two of those have officially not existed. Calhoun is shady and generally runs players out. Honestly I don't think Calhoun is quite as bad as Calpari but I don't think he is the kind of person I would want to hang out with. Calipari on the other hand pays multiple different people every year to get the top recruits, Calhoun mostly doesn't do that. There is no "level" of being dirty--either you are or aren't. Calhoun is just as bad--and maybe worse--when he embelishes his illness to take spotlight off what is going on when others are critical-and then of course the "Bubble Boy" is just fine as soon as he has a team to his "liking". Kemb-er is one great lead-uh and I'm not a cheat-uh---nev-uh cheat-ud in my lah-fe. --well unless you call paying players--(I know firsthand of the filth and depths UConn sunk to get El Amin) since prior to his winning ways. If anything--Calhoun is far worse--because he/his program share the same league with Georgetown--and the advantages they offered/offer players have played out to success and in the era where winning is all that matters--it's a lot easier to win when you know the "material" can be acquired no matter what the asking price is. Just a sickening thing to see a slap on wrist to a blatant liar/cheater and his reward--a National Championship. Interesting take, RDF - and among the reasons why I will be pulling for Cinderfella tomorrow night. |
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Apr 6, 2011 5:22:59 GMT -5
Theres a difference between looking long and hard to find dirt and looking to avoid the dirt that is on the surface. Thats my problem with Cal and Calhoun. I don't understand how Cal is in his 4th HC job when his achievements from two of those have officially not existed. Calhoun is shady and generally runs players out. Honestly I don't think Calhoun is quite as bad as Calpari but I don't think he is the kind of person I would want to hang out with. Calipari on the other hand pays multiple different people every year to get the top recruits, Calhoun mostly doesn't do that. There is no "level" of being dirty--either you are or aren't. Calhoun is just as bad--and maybe worse--when he embelishes his illness to take spotlight off what is going on when others are critical-and then of course the "Bubble Boy" is just fine as soon as he has a team to his "liking". Kemb-er is one great lead-uh and I'm not a cheat-uh---nev-uh cheat-ud in my lah-fe. --well unless you call paying players--(I know firsthand of the filth and depths UConn sunk to get El Amin) since prior to his winning ways. If anything--Calhoun is far worse--because he/his program share the same league with Georgetown--and the advantages they offered/offer players have played out to success and in the era where winning is all that matters--it's a lot easier to win when you know the "material" can be acquired no matter what the asking price is. Just a sickening thing to see a slap on wrist to a blatant liar/cheater and his reward--a National Championship. both are slime but nobody is in calipari's class IMO. this is a guy that while an assistant at pitt (under fellow slimeball paul evans) told a recruit that lou carnesecca was dying of cancer so he would choose pitt over sju. whenever he shows up on tv, i feel like i have to take a shower. same goes for that phony bruce pearl and sweater vest. |
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Post by hifigator on Apr 6, 2011 14:37:45 GMT -5
To me, Calishady is just a young Calhoun. In 15 years or so, he will probably be exactly what Calhoun is now. Is there anyone else out there hoping the rumors that Calipari will be on the top of several NBA lists are true? Down here, we keep hearing that the Knicks are likely to go after him as the D'Antoni experiment seems to have run its course.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 7, 2011 7:58:33 GMT -5
Why? He couldn't make a final four with 4 first rounders. How well do you think he'd do with 2 stars and nothing else?
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 21, 2011 23:41:21 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 26, 2011 11:13:14 GMT -5
So this weekend, I was actually hanging out with a couple of young/passionate UK basketball fans. Its funny how supportive of Cal they are. They're arguement against the vacated wins are that 1) at UMass, Cal reported Camby to the NCAA and 2) at Memphis, the NCAA had already approved Rose' SAT score then decided to reneg later. Obviously I just laughed at these but nothing I could say could waver their loyalty and trust in Cal.
No real point to this story, just sharing my interactions with some UK fans
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 26, 2011 11:53:42 GMT -5
Having been raised in Lexington, I can confirm that the Big Blue KoolAid is some powerful stuff indeed.
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Post by TBird41 on Jun 26, 2011 16:49:26 GMT -5
So this weekend, I was actually hanging out with a couple of young/passionate UK basketball fans. Its funny how supportive of Cal they are. They're arguement against the vacated wins are that 1) at UMass, Cal reported Camby to the NCAA and 2) at Memphis, the NCAA had already approved Rose' SAT score then decided to reneg later. Obviously I just laughed at these but nothing I could say could waver their loyalty and trust in Cal. No real point to this story, just sharing my interactions with some UK fans Why doesn't Calipari deserve the chance to coach at UK? He's never been convicted of anything by the NCAA and administration (including the University President) will monitor to make sure nothing shady goes on like what happened at UMass/Memphis |
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