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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 1, 2011 10:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by guru on Mar 1, 2011 11:14:11 GMT -5
The worrisome thing is can we beat Cincy? - we couldn't at home ........ VERY worrisome. Not much evidence lately that we are playing well enough to beat Cincinnati at all, let alone on the road on their Senior Day. ON EDIT: Honestly, thinking about playing Cincy again has me reliving the nightmare of last Wednesday's game and I feel physically ill. God we looked incompetent - even before CW4 went down. There are scenarios where we'd not only play Cincy on Saturday, but then again in NYC. Puke. Just puke. |
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Post by williambraskyiii on Mar 1, 2011 11:18:21 GMT -5
The worrisome thing is can we beat Cincy? - we couldn't at home ........ VERY worrisome. Not much evidence lately that we are playing well enough to beat Cincinnati at all, let alone on the road on their Senior Day. Look, let's not make Cincinnati out to be world-beaters. They are an average, to slightly above average, Big East team. That might also be the category that we are in, but any game against them is a toss-up as far as I'm concerned. The second half of that game we played against them at VC was the worst half of basketball I've seen this team play since first half at BC in JTIII's first season. Even without CW -- a lion and our most important player IMO -- we can and should beat this team. I haven't seen a cleanly-played from our guys since at SYRAPUKE. Its time to get back to the grind. |
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 1, 2011 11:29:05 GMT -5
Yikes, Nova is in deep do-do. Have to think they are likely to finish 11th since they have to finish their season at Pitt. Then they have to play the Providence Marshan Brooks on Tuesday. |
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 1, 2011 11:33:29 GMT -5
cinncy is good AND CAN PLAY GREAT very tough game must have our A+ game to win at their house on their senior day can do it but need to hustle adn pass well adn defend and hitSOME shots to win and NOT PLAY ON TUES IN NYC ;D ;D ;D
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Post by guru on Mar 1, 2011 12:07:53 GMT -5
VERY worrisome. Not much evidence lately that we are playing well enough to beat Cincinnati at all, let alone on the road on their Senior Day. Look, let's not make Cincinnati out to be world-beaters. They are an average, to slightly above average, Big East team. That might also be the category that we are in, but any game against them is a toss-up as far as I'm concerned. The second half of that game we played against them at VC was the worst half of basketball I've seen this team play since first half at BC in JTIII's first season. Even without CW -- a lion and our most important player IMO -- we can and should beat this team. I haven't seen a cleanly-played from our guys since at SYRAPUKE. Its time to get back to the grind. Not world beaters by any stretch - talking only about the way we played. Hopefully it was a horrible abberation and not just the way Cincy makes us play. |
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Post by Dhall on Mar 1, 2011 12:16:52 GMT -5
I always feel more confident when we draw teams that have beaten us during the regular season. Not sure why, but I'd rather play a Notre Dame, UCONN or West Virginia than Louisville, Marquette or Seton Hall.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 1, 2011 16:29:44 GMT -5
Always a little extra incentive to even the score. I wouldn't mind a reprise of the Revenge Tour from last year.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 2, 2011 17:44:09 GMT -5
We want Cinci to lose out and the winner of the Uconn WV game to lose again so we stay in 6th place.
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Post by mikeylikesit on Mar 2, 2011 22:29:25 GMT -5
Basically:
We win and WVU loses: 6 seed
We win and WVU wins: 7 seed
If we lose, probably an 8 seed (if UConn loses) or 9 seed (if UConn wins).
However, there is still the possibility of this 10-8 mini-conference 5-team pileup:
UConn (3-2)
GTown (2-2)
WVU (2-2)
Nova (2-2)
Marquette (2-3)
Too complicated for me - I'm going to go with WIN and root against WVU and UConn.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 2, 2011 22:54:40 GMT -5
6 and 7 seed scenarios are cut and dry. Same with 8/9 seed scenarios involving just us and UConn.
A maximum of 5 teams could potentially finish tied at 10-8 (the only H2H matchup of teams at 10-7 or 9-8 right now is us vs. Cinci).
Lose and we could be involved in the following mini-conference tiebreakers at 10-8:
GU/UConn/WVU:
-WVU 2-0
-UConn 1-1
-GU 0-2 (9th)
GU/UConn/Nova:
-UConn 2-0
-GU 1-1 (9th)
-Nova 0-2
GU/UConn/Marquette:
-UConn 2-1
-GU 1-1 (9th)
-MU 1-2
GU/Nova/Marquette:
-GU 2-0 (8th)
-Nova 1-1
-MU 0-2
GU/Nova/WVU:
-WVU 1-1 (beat 2nd seed ND)
-GU 1-1 (8th)
-Nova 1-1
GU/WVU/Marquette:
-WVU 1-1 (beat 2nd seed ND)
-GU 1-1 (8th)
-Marquette 1-1
GU/UConn/WVU/Nova
-WVU 2-1 (beat ND)
-UConn 2-1
-Nova 1-2
-GU 1-2
--> after WVU is taken out
-UConn 2-0
-GU 1-1 (9th)
-Nova 0-2
GU/UConn/WVU/MU
-WVU 2-1
-MU 2-2
-UConn 2-2
-GU 1-2 (10th)
GU/UConn/MU/Nova
-UConn 3-1
-GU 2-1 (9th)
-MU 2-2
-Nova 1-2
GU/WVU/MU/Nova
-GU 2-1 (8th by virtue of better record against SJU)
-Nova 2-1
-WVU 1-2
-MU 1-2
Five team 10-8 mini conference listed above: GU would be 9th behind UConn and WVU because three team mini-conference between GU/WVU/Nova (all teams at 1-1), WVU would win by virtue of beating 2nd seeded ND.
Really need UConn to lose to ND on Saturday if we slip up.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 2, 2011 23:10:44 GMT -5
Just refined it a little bit more: if I did this correctly, I don't think there is any scenario we are not at least the 8 seed if UConn loses. If they win and we don't, we will be the 9th or 10th seed.
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Post by Big Dog on Mar 2, 2011 23:18:20 GMT -5
6 and 7 seed scenarios are cut and dry. Same with 8/9 seed scenarios involving just us and UConn. A maximum of 5 teams could potentially finish tied at 10-8 (the only H2H matchup of teams at 10-7 or 9-8 right now is us vs. Cinci). Lose and we could be involved in the following mini-conference tiebreakers at 10-8: GU/UConn/Marquette: -MU 2-1 -GU 1-1 (9th) -UConn 1-2 I don't think this is right. Marquette split with UConn, and lost to us. UConn wins this group at 2-1, Gtown 1-1, Marquette 1-2. |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 2, 2011 23:24:16 GMT -5
Big Dog, you are right. I accidentally switched MU and UConn. But we are still 9th in that scenario.
I think it can be summed up best like this:
WIN and WVU loss: 6 seed
WIN and WVU win: 7 seed
LOSS and UConn loss: 8 seed
LOSS and UConn win: 9 or 10 seed
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 3, 2011 10:59:59 GMT -5
I always had the feeling that WVU loss would come back to bite us. I'd much rather be the 6 seed then the 7. Id rather play the team that falls to the bottom of this 6 team race and Lville/SJU then some team that happens to lose a tiebreaker and ND/Pitt. I guess we'll see.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Mar 3, 2011 11:55:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'd rather see SJU in the garden rather than ND. (Similarly, w/ L'ville -- either the Cards or the Johnnies would probably do more on defense to make us pay for not having Wright in the game).
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Post by guru on Mar 3, 2011 12:02:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'd rather see SJU in the garden rather than ND. (Similarly, w/ L'ville -- either the Cards or the Johnnies would probably do more on defense to make us pay for not having Wright in the game). I understand it would help our collective fanbase psyche to get the highest seed possible - 6th place sounds a whole lot better than 10th place. But realistically, does anyone think this team has a deep run in them next week in NYC? I'm not sure it wouldn't be more beneficial to play on Tuesday and Wednesday to get this group more comfortable playing without Wright and then roll the dice with or without him in the NCAAs. |
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 3, 2011 12:06:33 GMT -5
That's probably true. I'd really like to see Lville wipe the floor with WVU this weekend, though. I hate the idea that we might finish behind WVU.
I am not going to argue with that, guru. But, this is all on the presumption of us beating Cincy on the road this weekend. If we can beat Cincy on the road, i think we can win a game or 2 in the BET. I will agree with you that if we lose to Cincy, I could absolutely care less what seed we are. In fact, I havent even looked to see if anyone has figured that out.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 3, 2011 12:45:10 GMT -5
In the tiebreaker you don't get penalized for games you had no chance to win (i.e. a 2-1 team does not get placed over a 1-1 team).
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Post by austintex on Mar 3, 2011 13:22:16 GMT -5
In the tiebreaker you don't get penalized for games you had no chance to win (i.e. a 2-1 team does not get placed over a 1-1 team). So we aren't going to be penalized for our game against Pitt then, right? |
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