ACC vs. Big East 2010-11

[PhillyHoya]

A few people were wondering what the head-to-head stats were for the ACC vs. Big East this season. At quick glance, the Big East leads 7-4.

The games:

11/18 UMCP loses @ Pitt
11/21 NC State loses to Georgetown
11/21 Miami loses @ Rutgers
11/22 Clemson wins vs. Seton Hall
11/27 Georgia Tech loses @ Cuse
12/4 NC State loses @ Cuse
12/4 Miami wins vs. West Virginia
12/8 BC wins vs. Providence
12/28 UNC wins @ Rutgers
1/15 UMCP loses @ Nova
1/30 Duke loses @ St. Johns

[austintex]

The ACC kinda seems like they suck.

[prhoya]

Philly, was this SJU game the last OOC game of the season for the league?

[chep3]

I think the commentators said SJU has UCLA next weekend.

[gutuna]

I'd like to quote CBS' Gary Parrish in this spot, since it captures things nicely.

(Contrary to what some would have you believe, Duke didn't lose to St. John's on Sunday because the ACC is weak and the Big East is great any more than St. John's lost to St. Bonaventure last month because the Big East is great and the Atlantic 10 is whatever. One, quite simply, has nothing to do with the other. Duke lost to St. John's on Sunday because Duke is a flawed team that played poorly and St. John's is a better-than-its-record team that played well. As for the Big East and ACC in general, the bottom line is this: The Big East is awesome and the ACC stinks. But those are two things we knew yesterday, i.e., before St. John's-Duke even tipped. My advice: Don't ever draw grand conclusions about leagues from the outcome of any one game ... unless it's a football game between SEC and Big Ten members. In that case, feel free to draw whatever conclusion you like. But I digress ...)

gary-parrish.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/27311202

[HoyaSinceBirth]

that blog is interesting. Before the season it was guaranteed Duke would be a #1 seed. But their quality wins: Michigan state, Kansas State, and Butler keep getting worse and worse. They have 5 top 50 wins for now, but 0 top 25 wins and the only top 25 RPI team they have left is their two games against UNC. They have 0 wins against teams still ranked in the top 25.

[DanMcQ]

Interesting question: gary-parrish.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/27311202

[HoyaChris]

Jan 31, 2011 7:27:43 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Interesting question: gary-parrish.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/27311202

I've always wanted to do this Dan.

Clutter. ;D ;D ;D

[Coast2CoastHoya]

In addition to the head-to-head, here's where things stand in today's rankings/ratings:

CBS RPI Top 25: Big East 9 teams, ACC 2 teams
Parrish's Top 25+1: Big East 9, 2 ACC
AP Top 25: 7 Big East, 2 ACC
Coaches Top 25: 7 Big East, 1 ACC
Sagarin Top 25: 9 Big East, 2 ACC
Pomeroy Top 25: 9 Big East (and Cincy #27), 3 ACC

For most of these, UNC is in the 20s, too.

At this point in the season it's not even close.

[SFHoya99]

ACC / BE isn't even a comparison.

The two best conferences by far this year are the Big East and the Big Integer.

[TBird41]

At least according to KenPom, ACC also has worse bottom feeders. DePaul is ranked higher than Wake, and USF is ranked higher than UVa.

[chep3]

Jan 31, 2011 15:40:25 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

ACC / BE isn't even a comparison.

The two best conferences by far this year are the Big East and the Big Integer.

Yeah I'm not sure why we have this thread. The ACC is terrible this year. There are only three "power" conferences this year, and a few good teams floating around in bad conferences.

[hoyawatcher]

Talking about the ACC this year is really like shooting fish in a barrel. Way too easy and you know it before you pull the trigger. ACC has major issues at the top (UNC), and throughout the league that have to get fixed.

Gary has to give a gradu again.
Some of the new hires have to have an impact (Bennet) or quickly get flushed out of the system (Bryzdellic)
And the middle has to get cleaned up with Hewitt and Greenberg flushed as well.

It ain't a short term fix right now. And I grew up an ACC fan.