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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 20, 2010 23:47:14 GMT -5
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Post by Just Cos on Dec 21, 2010 0:30:18 GMT -5
Josh Ashworth, IUPUI
Bryan Dougher, Stony Brook
Cameron Wells, The Citadel
Casper Ware, Long Beach State
Devin Gibson, UTSA
Some real gems in there...and before anyone tries to give some credit to one of the players mentioned above, I just don't care.
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Post by chep3 on Dec 21, 2010 0:43:46 GMT -5
I mean let's be serious guys. Does anyone really believe the Cousy award people actually think those clowns are better than Chris. It's clear that they're just some disorganized group that dropped the ball and forgot Chris. There aren't 66 better basketball players in the country than Chris, let alone 66 pgs.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 21, 2010 0:57:27 GMT -5
Height does matter. Very few 6' make the league and stick. Not saying Chris won't make it, but height is a HUGE factor for NBA teams. Muggsy Bogues and Nate Robinson say hello. |
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 21, 2010 1:05:45 GMT -5
Height does matter. Very few 6' make the league and stick. Not saying Chris won't make it, but height is a HUGE factor for NBA teams. Muggsy Bogues and Nate Robinson say hello. Not to mention Tiny Archibald. Still, those name don't change the odds. It is very tough to compete in the NBA for someone so short. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 21, 2010 1:22:48 GMT -5
Josh Ashworth, IUPUI Bryan Dougher, Stony Brook Cameron Wells, The Citadel Casper Ware, Long Beach State Devin Gibson, UTSA Some real gems in there...and before anyone tries to give some credit to one of the players mentioned above, I just don't care. Actually, they all suck. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 21, 2010 1:24:13 GMT -5
Height does matter. Very few 6' make the league and stick. Not saying Chris won't make it, but height is a HUGE factor for NBA teams. Muggsy Bogues and Nate Robinson say hello. Exception that proves the rule. I'm not saying Chris won't make it. I'm saying height matters in the NBA. |
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Post by Buckets on Dec 21, 2010 8:04:27 GMT -5
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Post by bigelephant on Dec 21, 2010 8:18:38 GMT -5
This is so SICK about the cousy award (no caps) - we ALL know Chris is going to get the last laugh
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Post by rosslynhoya on Dec 21, 2010 9:36:35 GMT -5
Who nominates 66 people for an award? I thought increasing the number of "Best Picture" Academy Award nominees to 10 was a bit too much. Sixty-six? What criteria could they have possibly applied with any rigor at all? These were just nominations received. Per the cousy website, they will be whittled down to 16 finalists later in the season by a specially selected HoF committee. As hinted above, I think our AD/SID just failed to nominate Chris or assumed in a most gentlemanly fashion that someone else in the Big East or elsewhere would do it for them. On the other hand, this is a recently invented award (2004) that was made up for the sake of giving out more awards, aka, more filler content for the sports journos to dwell on. I hate to think that our righteous outrage is actually making the cousey committee pleased with themselves. No doubt there've been more electrons spilled on this page/CasualHoya than have previously discussed this award in its shortlived history. |
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Post by theexorcist on Dec 21, 2010 9:50:59 GMT -5
Fun with Stats!
The Citadel nominee, mentioned above, is Cameron Wells. He plays for a team that is 3-7, ranked #275 according to real-time RPI, and that has played the 155th-toughest schedule in the country.
## SUMMARY GS Min/G FG% 3PT% FT% Reb/G Ast/G Stl Blk Pts/G
WELLS, Cameron 10 32.2 .421 .333 .886 4.6 4.4 10 1 14.5
This is Chris Wright. He plays for the 10-1 Georgetown Hoyas, a team ranked #1 by Real-Time RPI that has played the #4 schedule in the country.
## Player GS Min/G FG% 3PT% FT% Reb/G Ast/G Stl Blk Pts/G
Wright, Chris...... 11 31.1 .474 .391 .814 2.8 6.7 22 0 13.2
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 21, 2010 10:15:22 GMT -5
It just boggles the mind that a player who is 10th in the NCAA and 1st in the BE is Assists is not on the list for best PG.
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Post by swhoya on Dec 21, 2010 11:39:54 GMT -5
I'm not sure this award, which I believe is handed out on the Ocho, is something to get too worked up about, and hopefully CW realizes as much. Sure, it'd be nice, but I think our team and players have much loftier goals this season than some new-fangled award.
That being said, it's laughable that he's not on that list, but I think there's probably two reasons why:
1. The committee requires that someone nominate a player. It's a silly way to do it, and leads to some of the absolutely ridiculous names on that list, and just makes it hard for anyone to take you seriously. But I guess if you've set up the rules that way, the committee should follow them, which brings us to point number 2....
2. Did anyone at the University nominate Chris? Scream about the committee all you want, but if their rules require someone nominate a player, and no one at the university did it, then the committee isn't at fault (except for having such a dumb way of doing it). We'll probably never hear anything about it, but $10 says that it's the university that owes CW an apology.
My bet is that if the committee gets enough grief, they'll reconsider how nominations are made in the future.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 21, 2010 13:10:09 GMT -5
No offense but do any of you guys really keep up with the NBA? On rosters everywhere you will find point guards Chris' height (6 ft.) and not many of them had his strength when they came out of college. The Miami Heat start a guy at point guard who is the size of Chris and that dude can't even play as far as I'm concerned. 6 foot point guards may not be preferred but they haven't exactly been rare. When "supposed" 6'3 guards like Rose and Wall enter the draft, scouts love them because of their height which suggests that most point guards who enter the draft are not that tall. Chris will be fine. And its great for him that he has a mentor who is perhaps the best pg in the NBA and happens to be as tall (or short) as Chris. Shares his name too.  |
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Post by prhoya on Dec 21, 2010 15:15:01 GMT -5
The Miami Heat start a guy at point guard who is the size of Chris and that dude can't even play as far as I'm concerned. Do you mean Arroyo? Pat Riley thinks otherwise. Arroyo does everything a PG should do and does it solidly, which is what Miami needs. Since the beginning of the season, the Big 3 have adjusted and now he's showing what he can do whenever the other three decide that they're not going to hog the ball. Coincidentially, Miami started winning when they decided to play team ball, and not 3 on 5 (Arroyo and the 5th player get out of the way) offense. Also, Arroyo is a great penetrator. That said, I could see Chris joining this group and playing the Arroyo role. He is shooting 51% from 3 because the other teams are focusing on the Big 3. Chris could up his 3% to around that if given the space that Arroyo is getting. Arroyo also had a great college career with FIU, scoring 1,600 points and averaging 16 pts./4 apg. He was picked by Toronto in the following draft, has played internationally, reprented his national team and has an 8-year NBA career. Arroyo and Chris play similar defense.  |
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Post by chep3 on Dec 21, 2010 17:45:03 GMT -5
Chris right now is not as good of a shooter as Arroyo. But Arroyo probably wasn't that great earlier in his career, but to his credit, has worked on it. He can be a very good player in his own right--check some of his work against the pre-Redeem Team. I remember him ripping USA bball to shreds at least once.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 21, 2010 19:34:23 GMT -5
I remember Arroyo was the leader, had a lot of assists and scored a lot for that FIU team. That's why he got drafted out of college and FIU. Once he entered the NBA, he bench-warmed and learned behind Stockton and Mark Jackson. During the rest of his Utah years, he butted heads with Coach Sloan and found himself on the bench after being a starter. His early problems had to do with demanding playing time, believing he deserved it and not playing tight defense (he was more of an extend-the-arm-while-the-other-player-went-by defender).
He's matured now and has worked hard on all aspects of his game after having to go to Israel during the 2008 season because his ego was getting in the way. Credit goes to him for turning it around and understanding his role.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 21, 2010 21:09:09 GMT -5
Chris right now is not as good of a shooter as Arroyo. But Arroyo probably wasn't that great earlier in his career, but to his credit, has worked on it. He can be a very good player in his own right--check some of his work against the pre-Redeem Team. I remember him ripping USA bball to shreds at least once. Players who can't play a minute in the NBA have had success against Team USA over the years. What does that prove? And sorry, prhoya, but Arroyo is average. He can hit shots when left unguarded. But he doesn't run an offense that well IMO. Or at least I haven't seen enough examples of him doing so. I'll give him his due in that he has stuck in the NBA and that's highly impressive. But I feel he is still best at being someone to come off the bench. In all of his other stops when he did he ever beat out caliber NBA point guards on the rosters of his team to get the starting spot at pg for any real length of time? In Miami he is the starter because the alternative is Chalmers who hasn't proven he's any good either. |
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 21, 2010 22:03:05 GMT -5
Physically, Chris is better than Arroyo can ever hope to be. Faster, stronger, much much more explosive off the dribble. Arroyo's understanding of how to play the position is what has kept him in the league. He runs the pick and roll extremely well and he knows how to run an offense.
As far as physical capability? Chris is far superior to Arroyo
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Post by prhoya on Dec 21, 2010 22:45:20 GMT -5
I agree daytona, but not "far superior".
MCI, I respect that that's your opinion and that you didn't turn it into a definite statement. I have watched his games and I've stated above my critique of his game. He does a pretty good job of running the offense. But, everyone is adjusting in Miami right now to playing together. I know you're a fan of the NBA and you'll get to see more of his game now that Miami will get more exposure. I'll leave it at that.
When Stockton retired, he became the Utah starter at a very young age. IMO, he was immature and fought with Sloan. That caused him to lose the starting spot. But enough about Arroyo...
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