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Post by kchoya on Nov 8, 2010 14:37:10 GMT -5
So who qualifies as a "newsman" on Fox News?  ? Though I have doubts, I'm sure you could probably answer that question for yourself if you really tried. I'm not going to give a list of people. Do you think MSNBC really holds Olbermann out to be an impartial "newsman" rather than a commentator? You're right. If they held him out to be a newsman, they would describe his show as, say, a "newscast." Instead, the MSNBC site has this blurb: Keith Olbermann is host of “Countdown with Keith Olbermann.” “Countdown,” a unique newscast that counts down the day’s top stories with Keith’s particular wit and style, telecasts weeknights, 8-9 p.m. ET on msnbc. |
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Post by Boz on Nov 8, 2010 15:27:27 GMT -5
I would call Shepard Smith, Bret Baier, Carl Cameron, Wendell Goler, Major Garrett (I think he has left, I can't remember), and Megyn Kelly all "newsmen" on Fox. There are more, but that's a start.
I think all are fairly well respected in that field. Kelly lets her personal political opinions infiltrate probably the most of that bunch, Shepard Smith or Carl Cameron probably the least.
I would call Cavuto, O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck and Van Susteren analysts/commentators/hosts, but not news broadcasters.
I wouldn't call the hosts of Fox & Friends anything because they're all morons. Like the hosts of virtually every other morning TV show in America.
I still don't have a problem if any of them want to donate to a political candidate or organization, as long as it is disclosed. If Olbermann's offense was non-disclosure, so be it, and a slap on the wrist is probably appropriate. But I'm still not sure if that is the claim NBC is making against him, so they come off looking as TC described them.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 9, 2010 22:47:17 GMT -5
Strangely enough, Michael Moore appeared tonight on Olbermann's show.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 9, 2010 23:47:22 GMT -5
Strangely enough, Michael Moore appeared tonight on Olbermann's show. Was it everything you dreamed it would be?  |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 9, 2010 23:57:00 GMT -5
I did not think much of it. Moore is not as strong on Wall Street reform, so the discussion quickly turned to Bush's odd attacks of Moore in his memoir. |
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 14, 2010 8:42:35 GMT -5
Ted Koppel wrote a serious piece on the deterioration of TV news, specifically, FOX and MSNBC's evening shows. Excerpt
The commercial success of both Fox News and MSNBC is a source of nonpartisan sadness for me. While I can appreciate the financial logic of drowning television viewers in a flood of opinions designed to confirm their own biases, the trend is not good for the republic. It is, though, the natural outcome of a growing sense of national entitlement.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan's oft-quoted observation that "everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts," seems almost quaint in an environment that flaunts opinions as though they were facts.
Ted Koppel: Olbermann, O'Reilly and the death of real news |
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 14, 2010 10:29:41 GMT -5
Great article by Mr. Koppel. Sadly the evening "news" is populated by stooges like Olbermann, O'Reilly, and their ilk. Very little of it is worth wasting time on any more.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 14, 2010 13:27:16 GMT -5
Maybe Mr. Koppel will - someday - include ABC, CBS and NBC in his commentary on biases in the media.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 14, 2010 14:42:06 GMT -5
What would be your suggestion to make those networks less biased?
Often times, what happens in these discussions is a suggestion that the problem is corrected by hiring people with different bias.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 14, 2010 19:32:19 GMT -5
The networks should hire some conservatives with an equal hand in what subjects are covered because much of the network bias is as much what as it is how it's covered. They could also hire an ombudsman or two and give them air time to discuss news slanting so the public can hear someone pointing out stories that are slanted. They could also give the ombudsmen the right to give each broadcast a grade on bias and post that grade on screen at their next broadcast. And they should label each news program as to whether it's news or comment.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 15, 2010 10:16:56 GMT -5
Vicious Infighting at NBC NewsQuote:Keith Olbermann was having dinner with his manager at an Upper East Side restaurant, chewing over their battle to lift his suspension at MSNBC, when Phil Griffin called.
Michael Price stepped out of the Atlantic Grill to talk to MSNBC’s president, leaving his client with a platter of 18 oysters. It was Sunday, Nov. 7, and Price informed Griffin that if they couldn’t resolve their differences quickly, Olbermann would take his complaints public by accepting invitations from Good Morning America, David Letterman, and Larry King.
“Why are you putting us in the position where you’re daring us to do this?” Price demanded, his voice rising.
“If you go on GMA, I will fire Keith,” Griffin shot back. Such a move was clearly grounds for dismissal.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 15, 2010 10:44:45 GMT -5
Vicious Infighting at NBC NewsQuote:Keith Olbermann was having dinner with his manager at an Upper East Side restaurant, chewing over their battle to lift his suspension at MSNBC, when Phil Griffin called.
Michael Price stepped out of the Atlantic Grill to talk to MSNBC’s president, leaving his client with a platter of 18 oysters. It was Sunday, Nov. 7, and Price informed Griffin that if they couldn’t resolve their differences quickly, Olbermann would take his complaints public by accepting invitations from Good Morning America, David Letterman, and Larry King.
“Why are you putting us in the position where you’re daring us to do this?” Price demanded, his voice rising.
“If you go on GMA, I will fire Keith,” Griffin shot back. Such a move was clearly grounds for dismissal. What a surprise. Olbermann having problems with his employer. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 19, 2010 14:31:19 GMT -5
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Post by Bando on Nov 19, 2010 19:32:50 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. These people are opinion journalists. We are well aware they have partisan leanings and ideological preferences; that's the entire point of their shows.
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