vcjack
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,875
|
Post by vcjack on Nov 5, 2010 19:14:12 GMT -5
Double Secret Probation is the best kind of probation
|
|
Boz
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
123 Fireballs!
Posts: 10,355
|
Post by Boz on Nov 5, 2010 19:31:52 GMT -5
Unfortunately for those of us who like progressive journalists and viewpoints, we are left without a good option outside of Maddow. MSNBC would do well to make a splash with someone like Michael Moore, who would add a truly populist viewpoint to the network and one untainted by the faux populism of the Chamber of Commerce. He has seen the nation's structural unemployment first hand and did not wait to lose an election before making a stink about it. It would be a money maker. People would tune in on the left to hear him, and people on the right would tune in just to be Editeded off. It is not as though Moore is any less moderate than the goblins on Fox. Lawrence O'Donnell isn't liberal enough for you? He just told Glenn Greenwald today that he's a self-professed socialist.  I am against pretty much everything he stands for, and he's known to succumb to an irrational outburst from time to time (including on Election Night), but he knows politics, he knows the people, and he's brave/talented/knowledgable enough (like Maddow, and very, very unlike Olbermann) to have people with opposing viewpoints on his 10 p.m. show. I don't like him one bit, but he'd be better for the 8 p.m. slot. Michael Moore is a horrible idea, IMO. No, no one on my side of the aisle would tune in, except some who get paid to do so. We'd watch YouTube clips of him the next day, that's about it. And he would almost certainly not last 6 months before saying something that got him thrown off the air. |
|
|
|
Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 5, 2010 19:51:03 GMT -5
I like O'Donnell too and have never seen his show, so I can't comment on it. I was generally pleased by his approach when he subbed in for KO. Still, there is something a bit troubling with the double standard as between Fox and MSNBC - KO's offenses are no worse than those of Hannity and Rove. Were I to call them what they are (even as you call people socialists albeit in jest but I can say that the term is now mostly not used in jest), I know what the response would be. I'm still trying to figure out what's behind this India trip spending allegation - something in the background there does not quite sit right to put it politely.
I think folks underestimate Moore. There's a reason why he gets repeated invitations to more non-partisan/neutral shows, including Larry King. Now, I know that may draw a snark, but Moore would know his limits even if his comments go against what the monied interests want to hear. His tv appearances do not suggest otherwise to date.
|
|
TC
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 9,480
|
Post by TC on Nov 6, 2010 0:02:03 GMT -5
I am against pretty much everything he stands for, and he's known to succumb to an irrational outburst from time to time (including on Election Night), but he knows politics, he knows the people, and he's brave/talented/knowledgable enough (like Maddow, and very, very unlike Olbermann) to have people with opposing viewpoints on his 10 p.m. show. Just like Bill O'Reilly, it's easy to have people with opposing viewpoints on your show if you don't let them talk. O'Donnell is the same way. |
|
SSHoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown."
Posts: 19,458
|
Post by SSHoya on Nov 6, 2010 0:03:47 GMT -5
I listen to BBC Worldnews out here and Olbermann's suspension was a headline story at the top of the hour. BBC refers to him as a "TV presenter" not a news anchor nor a journalist.
I hear Russ Feingold is out of work. Give him a shot at representing the progressive/liberal view on TV.
|
|
Elvado
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,080
|
Post by Elvado on Nov 6, 2010 6:59:53 GMT -5
Keith Olbermann gives to Democrat candidates. This is a surprise? his every moment on TV is virtually a DNC commercial (just as the Fox crowd does for the other side). The real crime here is the hypocrisy of MSNBC in pretending that they give a damn about objectivity.
|
|
The Stig
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 2,844
|
Post by The Stig on Nov 6, 2010 9:40:01 GMT -5
I hear Russ Feingold is out of work. Give him a shot at representing the progressive/liberal view on TV. I'm a huge fan of Russ, but I don't see that working too well. He's just not the type. Besides, he's not nearly as liberal as people make him out to be. |
|
SSHoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown."
Posts: 19,458
|
Post by SSHoya on Nov 6, 2010 9:47:53 GMT -5
I admit I can't speak to the degree of Feingold's progressive/liberal credentials, but that is his reputation. I've been impressed by him when I've seen him speak on TV -- not generally a screamer or shouter, and even if you disagree with him, you respect his arguments. Do you mean he's not the type to want to be a TV pundit?
|
|
|
|
Post by strummer8526 on Nov 6, 2010 10:35:18 GMT -5
Keith Olbermann gives to Democrat candidates. This is a surprise? his every moment on TV is virtually a DNC commercial (just as the Fox crowd does for the other side). The real crime here is the hypocrisy of MSNBC in pretending that they give a damn about objectivity. Doesn't the fact that they suspended him upon learning of his donations indicate that they do give a damn about objectivity (or at least the appearance thereof)? Eh, either way, I haven't watched a minute of Fox or MSNBC in the last few months, and I've drastically cut down on CNN (a few minutes a week, if there's a major story worth hearing about). At this point, I'd rather be uninformed than misinformed. |
|
|
|
Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 6, 2010 10:56:40 GMT -5
Keith Olbermann gives to Democrat candidates. This is a surprise? his every moment on TV is virtually a DNC commercial (just as the Fox crowd does for the other side). The real crime here is the hypocrisy of MSNBC in pretending that they give a damn about objectivity. Has Olbermann ever encouraged his viewers to open their wallets for Democratic candidates or hosted fundraisers for them? FNC has filled its ranks with potential Republician nominees for President and newscasters/teeth gnashers who give generously to Republician candidates. It is a difference of degree that is not particularly close. My prediction for their hit piece today will be an attack on Obama's homage to Gandhi. |
|
Elvado
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,080
|
Post by Elvado on Nov 6, 2010 11:22:39 GMT -5
Keith Olbermann gives to Democrat candidates. This is a surprise? his every moment on TV is virtually a DNC commercial (just as the Fox crowd does for the other side). The real crime here is the hypocrisy of MSNBC in pretending that they give a damn about objectivity. Doesn't the fact that they suspended him upon learning of his donations indicate that they do give a damn about objectivity (or at least the appearance thereof)? Eh, either way, I haven't watched a minute of Fox or MSNBC in the last few months, and I've drastically cut down on CNN (a few minutes a week, if there's a major story worth hearing about). At this point, I'd rather be uninformed than misinformed. MSNBC's commitment to objectivity is sending a thrill up my leg. He was suspended for doing it without their approval. Several of their employees have donated. In any event, Olbermann was, is and shall remain a caricature, as will those on Fox. Anyone going to TV for information and expecting objectivity is delusional. |
|
TBird41
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
"Roy! I Love All 7'2" of you Roy!"
Posts: 8,740
|
Post by TBird41 on Nov 6, 2010 11:24:19 GMT -5
Keith Olbermann gives to Democrat candidates. This is a surprise? his every moment on TV is virtually a DNC commercial (just as the Fox crowd does for the other side). The real crime here is the hypocrisy of MSNBC in pretending that they give a damn about objectivity. Doesn't the fact that they suspended him upon learning of his donations indicate that they do give a damn about objectivity (or at least the appearance thereof)? The hypocrisy is they apparently only care now, when numerous other people on MSNBC have donated to political candidates as well without any repercussions. |
|
Boz
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
123 Fireballs!
Posts: 10,355
|
Post by Boz on Nov 8, 2010 10:05:21 GMT -5
Suspension over.
|
|
TC
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 9,480
|
Post by TC on Nov 8, 2010 10:27:25 GMT -5
The big loser in all of this : MSNBC management. They look unprincipled, weak, and hypocritical.
|
|
HoyaNyr320
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,233
|
Post by HoyaNyr320 on Nov 8, 2010 11:00:45 GMT -5
Doesn't the fact that they suspended him upon learning of his donations indicate that they do give a damn about objectivity (or at least the appearance thereof)? The hypocrisy is they apparently only care now, when numerous other people on MSNBC have donated to political candidates as well without any repercussions. If only they had acted like Fox News and just ignored political donations made by their personalities.... In fact, MSNBC should have given a million dollars to the Democrats, just like Fox News (oh wait, "News Corp"... sorry) gave to the Republican Governors. Better yet, they could then think of a slogan to use like "Fair and Balanced." THEN we'd have an objective news organization! |
|
Boz
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
123 Fireballs!
Posts: 10,355
|
Post by Boz on Nov 8, 2010 11:24:16 GMT -5
Oh, Lord. GE does give a lot of money to Democrats. And Republicans. And NewsCorp donates to both political parties. So does Viacom, Disney and Time Warner.
Get over it.
And yes, MSNBC should have ignored this political donation. Because they have ignored the ones made by so many other of their employees.
|
|
hoyainspirit
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
When life puts that voodoo on me, music is my gris-gris.
Posts: 8,398 
|
Post by hoyainspirit on Nov 8, 2010 11:25:20 GMT -5
I'll take the opposite tact--I'll guess that Olbermann did this on purpose to point out the double standard employed throughout MSNBC on what constitutes an impartial observer. Howard Kurtz agrees. Quote:It’s still hard for me to understand why Olbermann made these donations, knowing full well they’d eventually emerge in federal election records—and knowing he was kicking in cash to Raul Grijavla’s campaign on the same day he was interviewing the Arizona congressman. It’s not like it was enough money to make a difference in any of the races; it was more of a statement.Olbermann's Wrist Slap |
|
kchoya
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 9,934
|
Post by kchoya on Nov 8, 2010 13:50:13 GMT -5
The big loser in all of this : MSNBC management. They look unprincipled, weak, and hypocritical. So? Does anyone really care how the MSNBC management comes out of this? |
|
kchoya
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 9,934
|
Post by kchoya on Nov 8, 2010 13:57:00 GMT -5
The hypocrisy is they apparently only care now, when numerous other people on MSNBC have donated to political candidates as well without any repercussions. If only they had acted like Fox News and just ignored political donations made by their personalities.... In fact, MSNBC should have given a million dollars to the Democrats, just like Fox News (oh wait, "News Corp"... sorry) gave to the Republican Governors. Better yet, they could then think of a slogan to use like "Fair and Balanced." THEN we'd have an objective news organization! Way to completely ignore the distinction between journalists and commentators. James Carville appears on CNN. You think he doesn't contribute to campaigns? The difference is everyone knows he's not there to report the news. If Wolf Blitzer is donating, that's different. It's the same at all three major cable news networks. The problem is Olberman is held out to be a newsman, when he's not. Actually, his show used to be a news show, when it started, and I actually liked watching it. Now it's morphed into a 60 minute version of "Worst Person in the World" (which was either O'Reilly, Limbaugh or Bush). |
|
HoyaNyr320
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,233
|
Post by HoyaNyr320 on Nov 8, 2010 14:14:58 GMT -5
If only they had acted like Fox News and just ignored political donations made by their personalities.... In fact, MSNBC should have given a million dollars to the Democrats, just like Fox News (oh wait, "News Corp"... sorry) gave to the Republican Governors. Better yet, they could then think of a slogan to use like "Fair and Balanced." THEN we'd have an objective news organization! Way to completely ignore the distinction between journalists and commentators. James Carville appears on CNN. You think he doesn't contribute to campaigns? The difference is everyone knows he's not there to report the news. If Wolf Blitzer is donating, that's different. It's the same at all three major cable news networks. The problem is Olberman is held out to be a newsman, when he's not. Actually, his show used to be a news show, when it started, and I actually liked watching it. Now it's morphed into a 60 minute version of "Worst Person in the World" (which was either O'Reilly, Limbaugh or Bush). So who qualifies as a "newsman" on Fox News?  ? How does one get the label "newsman" rather than commentator? Do you think MSNBC really holds Olbermann out to be an impartial "newsman" rather than a commentator? If you do, I have an Alaskan bridge that I'd like to sell to you... |
|
? How does one get the label "newsman" rather than commentator? Do you think MSNBC really holds Olbermann out to be an impartial "newsman" rather than a commentator? If you do, I have an Alaskan bridge that I'd like to sell to you...