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Post by crashdavis on Apr 11, 2011 11:01:53 GMT -5
Just to let you guys know, Greg Swaim doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.
Is there a chance Otto ends up going to Kansas?....yes....but there's also a chance he could go to Mizzou or Georgetown. To say Otto has made any kind of decision, could not be further from the truth. Right now he really doesn't know where he wants to go.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Apr 11, 2011 11:06:14 GMT -5
Craos how do you know so much fella? Any idea when he will be committing?
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on Apr 11, 2011 11:28:21 GMT -5
Royski- I hear you but that is not the argument. Kids want to see other players you have developed, BUT at their position. Telling Austin Rivers that GTown has put GM/RH/DS in the league doesnt help us get him. I guess you are counting PRjr in your 5, although he was not drafted. Well KU has 11 players on rosters that were all drafted. I would say that Dajuan is probably the best example we can point to in order to convince a guy like Porter that we put guys in the L. The problem is that Dajuan is the least likely to advocate for Gtown. Of course, the problem Kansas has is that the only player they've produced that's any good is Paul Pierce. Lots of mediocrity otherwise. Unless I missed someone, I'd think that Jeff/Greg/Roy are better then everyone KU has sent the NBA except Pierce. Additionally, I'd think that part of the attraction for Otto to Georgetown is getting to play the Point Forward Jeff position. Agreed. I think the Jeff Green Point Forward is our biggest sell. Come to G'town, the only place you can run the offense and develop every facet of your game. As talented as Jeff was, I think we are one of the few schools that could have gotten him drafted #5 overall. |
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Post by deacon on Apr 11, 2011 11:36:05 GMT -5
1. Patrick Ewing Jr. was drafted.
2. Sure, Kansas gets more guys drafted but over the last few years, these are the guys they've put in the league: Darrell Arthur, Mario Chalmers, Darnell Jackson, Cole Aldrich, Xavier Henry, Brandon Rush, Sasha Kaun, Julian Wright.
Real impressive.
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Post by RDF on Apr 11, 2011 11:36:43 GMT -5
Let's not get into the "Why would anyone choose INSERT SCHOOL over Georgetown" and then mention education. Despite what most think--the value of the education means very little to a HS athlete choosing a school at the Major D1 level. That is for the parents--not the kid. Kid wants to go where he can play, have fun, and feels comfortable. Do some guys regret their decisions later on? Sure--but same can be said for guys who chose Georgetown.
It's easy for us fans to want to sell our favorite team--but remember-it's the player's life and how he sees the schools and their chances of developing him, winning, etc....are most important and only impression that matters.
This isn't Pops being lazy and ignoring talent--III/Kirby have worked their butts off and put in the time and effort to do what we all want them to--as they did with Ochefu, Whittington, Trawick, etc....and you win some/you lose a lot more then you win in recruiting--but at least the effort is being shown by the staff and as a fan that is all I want to see.
Good luck to Otto--and hope he ends up a Hoya.
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Post by deacon on Apr 11, 2011 11:43:20 GMT -5
Let's not get into the "Why would anyone choose INSERT SCHOOL over Georgetown" and then mention education. Despite what most think--the value of the education means very little to a HS athlete choosing a school at the Major D1 level. That is for the parents--not the kid. Kid wants to go where he can play, have fun, and feels comfortable. Do some guys regret their decisions later on? Sure--but same can be said for guys who chose Georgetown. It's easy for us fans to want to sell our favorite team--but remember-it's the player's life and how he sees the schools and their chances of developing him, winning, etc....are most important and only impression that matters. This isn't Pops being lazy and ignoring talent--III/Kirby have worked their butts off and put in the time and effort to do what we all want them to--as they did with Ochefu, Whittington, Trawick, etc....and you win some/you lose a lot more then you win in recruiting--but at least the effort is being shown by the staff and as a fan that is all I want to see. Good luck to Otto--and hope he ends up a Hoya. This. |
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Post by nodak89 on Apr 11, 2011 12:05:29 GMT -5
Royski- I hear you but that is not the argument. Kids want to see other players you have developed, BUT at their position. Telling Austin Rivers that GTown has put GM/RH/DS in the league doesnt help us get him. I guess you are counting PRjr in your 5, although he was not drafted. Well KU has 11 players on rosters that were all drafted. I would say that Dajuan is probably the best example we can point to in order to convince a guy like Porter that we put guys in the L. The problem is that Dajuan is the least likely to advocate for Gtown. Pat Jr was drafted by Sacramento in 2008 43 Sacramento Kings Patrick Ewing Jr., Forward, Georgetown www.nba.com/draft2008/board.html |
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Post by wahoohoya on Apr 11, 2011 12:11:50 GMT -5
Let's not get into the "Why would anyone choose INSERT SCHOOL over Georgetown" and then mention education. Despite what most think--the value of the education means very little to a HS athlete choosing a school at the Major D1 level. That is for the parents--not the kid. Kid wants to go where he can play, have fun, and feels comfortable. Do some guys regret their decisions later on? Sure--but same can be said for guys who chose Georgetown. It's easy for us fans to want to sell our favorite team--but remember-it's the player's life and how he sees the schools and their chances of developing him, winning, etc....are most important and only impression that matters. This isn't Pops being lazy and ignoring talent--III/Kirby have worked their butts off and put in the time and effort to do what we all want them to--as they did with Ochefu, Whittington, Trawick, etc....and you win some/you lose a lot more then you win in recruiting--but at least the effort is being shown by the staff and as a fan that is all I want to see. Good luck to Otto--and hope he ends up a Hoya. Education can be relevant for the exact reason you mention - some parents care about it. It's not going to be the primary factor, but it could be a factor - which is all anybody is saying here. |
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Post by wahoohoya on Apr 11, 2011 12:15:00 GMT -5
Of course, the problem Kansas has is that the only player they've produced that's any good is Paul Pierce. Lots of mediocrity otherwise. Unless I missed someone, I'd think that Jeff/Greg/Roy are better then everyone KU has sent the NBA except Pierce. Additionally, I'd think that part of the attraction for Otto to Georgetown is getting to play the Point Forward Jeff position. Agreed. I think the Jeff Green Point Forward is our biggest sell. Come to G'town, the only place you can run the offense and develop every facet of your game. As talented as Jeff was, I think we are one of the few schools that could have gotten him drafted #5 overall. It would be a huge sell if Otto sees himself as a similar type of player as Jeff Green. If he sees himself as a traditional 3, we're at a disadvantage because we have no track record getting that type of player drafted in the first round. |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 11, 2011 12:29:10 GMT -5
Patrick was drafted 43rd in 2008 by Sacramento. Both Austin and Chris have a shot at getting drafted this year.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 11, 2011 12:53:01 GMT -5
If I were from a tiny town in the middle of nowhere MO, and I had worked my entire childhood on my game, then i grew a zillion inches in HS to get to 6'9, and i was dying to get to the NBA.... AND I was also thinking a college degree would be a positive..... I'd be thinking a degree from Mizzou or Kansas would be just fine. Just sayin' You know, the perfect guy to talk to this kid might be Jon Wallace. Unfortunately, he's probably still playing in Europe. But he grew up on a farm in Alabama. Never lived away from home. Moved to the "big City" and had a great time. Went to the Final Four. Southern drawl. Smart kid. Knows JT3's system and the value of developing multiple skills - dribbling, passing, shooting, court vision, understanding the game... A Georgetown degree is great, don't get me wrong love mine. But I've also lived in the south for a few years and they don't get nearly as worked up over someone having a degree from a Private Northeastern Name Brand school as say people in the Northeast do. If you live in Missouri or Kansas and have a degree from the state school, that is not going to keep you from getting a job locally. In fact a lot of athletes who don't make it to the league end up working for prominent local businessmen who were fans while they played for the state school. As a native Missourian -- one who chose between Mizzou and GU for college, I can tell you there's it's not even close between the two schools if you're looking at academics (unless the kid wants to be a journalist). I think recruits (and their families) and weigh the quality of education they will be getting at two different schools without setting up a false dichotomy of Ivy League versus Juco. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 11, 2011 14:03:00 GMT -5
Bottom line, Otto and his family are clearly well-grounded and are approaching this in a reasoned and thoughtful manner. While this bodes well for the Hoyas, there will be a number of factors involved, and we cannot possibly say which ones will control the decision. We would love to have him, but just the fact that we are among the top of the very short list is a plus for JTIII, Coach Kirby and the staff, and should indicate good things down the road for our recruiting.
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 11, 2011 15:32:31 GMT -5
Agreed. great post, FF
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Post by deacon on Apr 11, 2011 20:27:34 GMT -5
Edit.
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Post by krukster201 on Apr 11, 2011 20:35:15 GMT -5
not cool ..
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Post by KirbyKeger on Apr 11, 2011 20:35:28 GMT -5
Somebody on the Rivals board is saying "we got Porter ... Trust me." We'll see. Really tough to keep myself from getting excited. Adding Otto to this team would really make me feel a lot better about next season and beyond. |
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Post by alleninxis on Apr 11, 2011 20:41:54 GMT -5
There certainly appears to be some smoke.
fingers crossed.
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Post by guru on Apr 11, 2011 20:44:35 GMT -5
There certainly appears to be some smoke. fingers crossed. Can you describe the smoke? Three alarm? Four alarm? |
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Post by Buckets on Apr 11, 2011 20:45:24 GMT -5
Hopefully not the Roscoe type of smoke.
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Post by IDenj on Apr 11, 2011 20:48:46 GMT -5
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