tonyparker
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Post by tonyparker on Sept 13, 2010 16:21:56 GMT -5
Why not just hold on to our 2011 scholarships and aim for a Big East level 2012 class? This is an honest question.
Of the remaining Scout Top 100 recruits considering the Hoyas, this is where we apparently stand:
Quinn Cook - heavily leaning towards Duke, listing the Hoyas out of courtesy for being on him since the beginning. Rashad "Ky" Madden - not even giving the Hoyas a visit now. Mikael Hopkins - supposedly considering the Hoyas, but word on the street is he really wants to get out of the DMV for college and would prefer Kansas or OSU. Sam Thompson - was supposed to visit this weekend but is said to have cancelled visit after attending OSU v. Miami game. Rodney Hood - heard he is now unlikely to even visit Georgetown. Angelo Chol - recently cut Georgetown from list.
I am starting to wonder if we should simply hold fort with what we have and go all out for 2012. I'd like to think we are in better shape there than we were for 2011. I know we were on a lot of top 2011 prospects early on as well, but let's just be honest at this point, some of those kids (i.e., Christmas, O'Bryant, Johnson) were largely considering Georgetown because of a solid relationship with Coach Cox, our charismatic former recruiting coordinator whose departure decimated this year's class.
Yes, it would mean that we would be very thin in 2011-12, but how many more scholarships do we want to be handing out to A-10/Patriot League prospects? Our 2011-12 depth chart would probably look as follows:
1: Starks, Clark/Sanford 2: Clark, Sanford/Bowen 3: Thompson, Bowen/Benimon 4: Lubick, Benimon 5: Sims, Abraham
Would that team win a championship? No. Would that team be thin? Sure. But so was this years.
I'd rather risk it (and accept that Cox's departure, the NIT season, and the Ohio fiasco really killed us) and hope that we can ride what should be a wave of positive energy off of this upcoming season and land a solid class of James Robinson, DSR, Kyle Anderson, Tony Parker, Daniel Ochefu, and Andre Drummond in 2012 and get back to competing for championships in 2012-13.
Edit: I should note that I still think we should go all out for Cook, Hood, Thompson and Hopkins. But if we fail - I'd rather hold on to the schollys than hand them out for prospects not fit for the Big East.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 13, 2010 17:42:56 GMT -5
This may be our best bet TP and at this juncture, the best case scenario.
It is critically important we make a Sweet 16 run or better this year. It doesn't matter how many top notch teams we beat in the regular season, or how many BET finals we make, if we can't pull together a string of wins in the ncaa tourney it all amounts to nothing.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 13, 2010 18:25:45 GMT -5
I'm still at the point where i'm just hoping some of those things you site aren't true/don't come to pass.
The Sam Thompson thing for instance I'm pretty sure isn't true.
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Highsmith
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Post by Highsmith on Sept 13, 2010 18:38:09 GMT -5
A depressing thought......I have to believe we are still in the running for some of those guys listed as well as a surprise or two. It does look like we are in good shape for 2012 and I'd like to see a few slots open for that class, but I don't think we can throw in the towel yet. As quickly as some players seem to have dropped us, they or others can suddenly have us as their top team. You never know!
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deacon
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Post by deacon on Sept 13, 2010 18:39:38 GMT -5
Thompson and Hopkins are visiting this weekend.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Sept 13, 2010 18:54:46 GMT -5
while i agree that we shouldn't just take players to fill spots, let's wait until those players you cite are off the board...the ones at this point that we seem to be really coveting are hood and thompson. Getting one of them and Robertson....an extremely athletic big man would be a solid class as far as i'm concerned....not what we hoped originally, but two guys that could really make an impact
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damnhoya
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Post by damnhoya on Sept 13, 2010 19:10:45 GMT -5
Let's not completely dismiss our (potential) 2011 class simply because we lost out of some of our top targets. I still think we will land at least 2 very solid players in this class. It would also be foolish to simply throw in the towel on an ENTIRE recruiting class. You really can't do that with 3 seniors graduating.
While it's nice that we've made good inroads with the 2012 class, that doesn't mean we stop recruiting in 2011 (I mean, it isn't like we aren't looking at guys in 2013 and beyond already; IVERSON anyone?). TP, you named some hefty players in the 2012 class (and that doesn't even include guys like Ledo, Kaleb, Amile, Gabe York, etc.). If we get 2 of those guys, I would be thrilled. We are going to have to reload in 2012 regardless of who we get in 2011.
The one thing I somewhat agree with is instead of perhaps taking 4 guys this year, perhaps you take 2 or 3 and that leaves you 3 or 4 schollies for 2012. But we really need some guys for next year. I would say grab a SF and a C if possible (problem is the big men are much better in 2012, so take the best kids available).
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 13, 2010 19:13:20 GMT -5
Let's not completely dismiss our (potential) 2011 class simply because we lost out of some of our top targets. I still think we will land at least 2 very solid players in this class. It would also be foolish to simply throw in the towel on an ENTIRE recruiting class. You really can't do that with 3 seniors graduating. While it's nice that we've made good inroads with the 2012 class, that doesn't mean we stop recruiting in 2011 (I mean, it isn't like we aren't looking at guys in 2013 and beyond already; IVERSON anyone?). TP, you named some hefty players in the 2012 class (and that doesn't even include guys like Ledo, Kaleb, Amile, Gabe York, etc.). If we get 2 of those guys, I would be thrilled. We are going to have to reload in 2012 regardless of who we get in 2011. The one thing I somewhat agree with is instead of perhaps taking 4 guys this year, perhaps you take 2 or 3 and that leaves you 3 or 4 schollies for 2012. But we really need some guys for next year. I would say grab a SF and a C if possible (problem is the big men are much better in 2012, so take the best kids available). agreed.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Sept 13, 2010 19:21:59 GMT -5
To the original question: No. Wait until after the early signing period to see where we are. Also, last year there we some good players available in the late signing period. But, I agree with you in that scholarship will be at a premium for 2012. I'm counting on Hank to carry us in 2011-12.
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Post by NCHoya on Sept 13, 2010 19:37:13 GMT -5
Simply no. You cannot allow your team to go into a season 4 men down on the roster. One injury and you could be staring at a bottom finish in the BE and a .500 record, that is not going to attract a lot of talent. Who wants to go into that mess?
The Hoyas need to see this class through, have a stellar Sweet 16 season and grab a couple of 3 star prospects if need be to keep the roster stocked and the team on solid footing. Let's just hope Thompson decides he wants to play for a basketball-first school.
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Sept 13, 2010 20:04:01 GMT -5
Don't forget that a year ago people were saying to save scholarships for 2011.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 13, 2010 20:58:41 GMT -5
ebosshoops Sam Thompson confirms that Georgetown is out and says he will make a decision in a few weeks. Shutting things down (mediawise) til then.
well crap i guess that is true now.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Sept 13, 2010 21:07:10 GMT -5
wow...
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Post by mfrekko on Sept 13, 2010 21:37:12 GMT -5
Ouch. When Matta gets involved, it becomes very difficult to compete...
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 13, 2010 22:32:43 GMT -5
This won't happen, though I definitely understand the logic. We'll take at least 2 or 3, maybe 4, and there's a decent chance we'll have one transfer by the time all is said and done, so scholarships for 2012 will still not be an issue.
Question will be how deep does this recruiting hole get? I've resigned myself by now to the fact that we're not going to pull any of the "marquis" players, the 4 or 5 star types. We may still pick up some competent rotation guys and even some guys who can start down the road. There are a lot of guys on the next tier down who are on the periphery right now, some of whom will become guys we push for over their senior years.
I agree that the quality of next year's team will depend more on the guys already on the roster than on any 2011 recruits. The most important "recruits" for III are Starks, Bowen, Lubick, Sanford, Sims, Benimon and Abraham. Can he find the minutes for all of them, to keep them involved mentally? Can he help them become high level Big East players? How about Clark and Thompson, can he help them make a leap from good to great? That to me matters more to next year's team than, say, Mikael Hopkins' presence would.
But I don't see any way we'll pack it in, lose 3 seniors and bring in less than 2 or 3. We may not land anybody in fall (at this rate) but the staff will definitely have eyes peeled for guys who have strong senior years and who are a little overlooked. Plus you may find some decommits, transfers, etc.
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tonyparker
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Post by tonyparker on Sept 13, 2010 22:56:26 GMT -5
No way we should be using all four scholarships at this point. I hope III only uses three if the three committing are Quinn Cook, Rodney Hood, and Mikael Hopkins. That said, unfortunately, I think the first two names will be dropping us in the near future.
I'd understand using two on a combination of Hubert/Katenda/Trawick/Dinwiddie/Ammons/Robertson for roster purposes, but I'd rather not. Good players like playing with other good players and I'd prefer that the staff go into 2012 saying they've got 4-6 scholarships and plenty of playing time to offer.
Again, I think we are in for a nice season and 2012 players will be excited about signing with the Hoyas in the Fall of 2011. Yes, the 2011-2012 season may be a down year, but it need not be the beginning of a downward spiral for the program as long as the staff capitalizes on what is a deep and talented 2012 class.
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Post by RDF on Sept 14, 2010 0:47:48 GMT -5
Ouch. When Matta gets involved, it becomes very difficult to compete... Yep--especially when you wait too long to make an offer.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 14, 2010 9:15:03 GMT -5
Ouch. When Matta gets involved, it becomes very difficult to compete... Yep--especially when you wait too long to make an offer. See if he hadn't already scheduled a visit with us I would assume his dropping us had to do with us taking to long to offer, but the fact that even after we took this long to offer he was willing to come for a visit up until he visited Ohio st. That's what's confusing/fishy to me.
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Post by prhoya on Sept 14, 2010 11:25:38 GMT -5
Visit to the Obamas?
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Sept 14, 2010 12:09:28 GMT -5
at this point there's nothing confusing or fishy about anything. Recruiting is dead for this year....pick up a few scraps and move on to 2012....so depressed at this point
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