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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 2, 2010 15:54:15 GMT -5
That, or their starting QB is out and the guy in isn't very good. Mitch Mustain (assuming Barkley doesn't play) is still way, way better than Richard Brehaut. I'm probably being unduly negative. UCLA has been decent at home this year. But while I hope UCLA wins 500-0, this is USC-UCLA, and I seriously doubt that USC will just mail this one in.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 2, 2010 16:17:42 GMT -5
Rumors floating that Greg Davis has been asked to leave. He endeavored to leave his office but ended up 2 yards behind where he started. Greg Davis has a long history with Mack Brown. Surprised at this.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 2, 2010 16:20:24 GMT -5
Rumors remain unconfirmed.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 2, 2010 16:28:51 GMT -5
Austin wrote: ON EDIT: I'm sure everyone has seen the latest on the Cam Newton situation, but if not:
sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5870788
Should be just great for the typical sports fan's impression of college football, the SEC, and the idea of an impartial governing body for college sports. I'm not going to defend Newton or Auburn a bit. But laying this off on the SEC in general is absurd. If you want to point a finger, then question how in the hell the NCAA managed to have such a ruling so quickly! Aside from questioning the ruling itself, which is dubious for sure, somehow, the institution which took 4 years investigating Reggie Bush and company ... and the same institution which routinely takes 4 or 5 months to make a ruling on a student-athlete's request for an medical hardship when he has clearly been incapacitated for 18 months ... managed to squeeze in this somewhat complicated case in less than 24 hours. Sure ... there's no favoritism being played at all. hifi: I did not "lay anything off on" the SEC. I am not pointing any fingers. I did point out that many sports fans think the SEC (or $EC) is a professional sports league masquerading as an amateur association. If you think that's not a widely held assumption, you need to get out of the swampland a bit more often. I love watching college football on fall Saturdays. I often enjoy CBS Sports' afternoon presentation of SEC games. If you think this story is anything but terrible for either college football (which many fans also consider to be wholly corrupt) or the Southeastern Conference, you are smoking some fine marijuana. The Cameron Newton Story will reinforce the negative stereotypes widely repeated around the nation regarding the corrupting influence of money on college football -- in particular within the SEC -- and the NCAA's haphazard, half-assed attempt of policing that corrupting influence. Unfortunately, the collection of fully-biased, pro-SEC, swamp-rat rants spread across the Internet by yourself and the rest of the Gainesville chapter of NORML will not affect this development.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 2, 2010 16:33:58 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Dec 3, 2010 15:52:45 GMT -5
Austin wrote: ON EDIT: I'm sure everyone has seen the latest on the Cam Newton situation, but if not:
sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5870788
Should be just great for the typical sports fan's impression of college football, the SEC, and the idea of an impartial governing body for college sports. I'm not going to defend Newton or Auburn a bit. But laying this off on the SEC in general is absurd. If you want to point a finger, then question how in the hell the NCAA managed to have such a ruling so quickly! Aside from questioning the ruling itself, which is dubious for sure, somehow, the institution which took 4 years investigating Reggie Bush and company ... and the same institution which routinely takes 4 or 5 months to make a ruling on a student-athlete's request for an medical hardship when he has clearly been incapacitated for 18 months ... managed to squeeze in this somewhat complicated case in less than 24 hours. Sure ... there's no favoritism being played at all. I think you're inaccurately characterizing what happened. The investigation didn't take place in 24 or 48 hours. It has been going on for a while and was reaching a conclusion, so Auburn declared Newton ineligible and then then the NCAA, having already reached its decision, reinstated him. It's a stupid process, but be accurate about how things played out. It's not like there's not enough to criticize. Apparently the NCAA now allows parents to act as pimps and sell their children to the highest bidder. And creating a "plausible deniability" defense for the athlete is a dangerous precedent to set. All of this ignores the most problematic aspect of Newton being reinstated - the NCAA saying it was all Cecil's Newton's doing and the kid knew nothing, when there were reports of Cam Newton saying the money at Auburn was just too much, and being on the phone line when these communications were taking place. Something's rotten in the state of Alabama.
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Post by theexorcist on Dec 3, 2010 16:21:20 GMT -5
The 24 to 48 hours thing is a canard. NCAA investigations take YEARS. This, from almost all standpoints, was a quick investigation.
The problem here is that there's no good solution. Auburn would be justifiably incensed if Cam was banned for the rest of the year without a legitimate smoking gun that they can't find. The NCAA would get egg on its face if they didn't say anything when the issue of Newton has been a huge one for at least the past month. The NCAA would expose itself to a lawsuit if its conclusions on Newton were later disproven.
So, what to do? Rewrite the rulebook, say it wasn't Cam's doing as of right now, use that legal fig leaf to escape all the other questions. It establishes an awful precdent, but at least it does something.
The larger thing here is the fact that, in very few cases, it's been proven that cheating won't be discovered for at least a year. I'd be interested in a study of schools that have gone on probation after athletic success and questions about when it's a good financial decision to cheat.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 3, 2010 16:22:42 GMT -5
This whole Newton fiasco has accomplished what I once thought to be impossible: Steve Spurrier wears the white hat in this game.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 3, 2010 16:57:25 GMT -5
Austin, then I was misinterpreting your comments. I am not in any way defending Auburn or Cameron Newton in this. My specific complaint as it relates to this week's happenings was simply that it happened at lightning speed. And where the NCAA is involved, that is something that just doesn't happen. As someone else pointed out, it could be that this investigation was much further along than originally thought and that this decision isn't wasn't as hastily made as it appears. I don't know. What I do know is that Auburn declared Newton ineligible sometime Tuesday, yet in today's age of instant if not even prior knowledge, somehow that little tidbit remained a secret. Meanwhile, Auburn followed through with the NCAA and the NCAA reinstated Newton, and from what I have heard and read, it hinged on the fact that he didn't know about the dealings of his father and agent. I don't buy that for a minute, but that's the story they gave. So given that is what we know, my main question is how in the hell the NCAA could arrive at such an important decision in such an amazingly timely fashion.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 6, 2010 8:54:10 GMT -5
Sounds like Jim Harbaugh may be staying with Stanford afterall. sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5889922"We have a proposal in front of Jim and he's indicated he plans to accept it," Bowlsby said Sunday. "He's got this year and four more on his contract. I expect that he will be our coach in the foreseeable future."
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 6, 2010 10:21:08 GMT -5
Sounds like Jim Harbaugh may be staying with Stanford afterall. sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5889922"We have a proposal in front of Jim and he's indicated he plans to accept it," Bowlsby said Sunday. "He's got this year and four more on his contract. I expect that he will be our coach in the foreseeable future."
Thanx, Saxa, for this find. This is great news!
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 6, 2010 14:07:14 GMT -5
Gophers hired Jerry Kill from NIU over the weekend. Anyone have any idea if he's a good enough coach to turn the Gophers into a decent football program or (hope against hope) a good one?
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Post by Elvado on Dec 6, 2010 14:17:01 GMT -5
For my money (or more likely Auburn's), Cam Newton is the best around...
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Post by kchoya on Dec 6, 2010 14:47:47 GMT -5
For my money (or more likely Auburn's), Cam Newton is the best around... Hey! Don't besmirch the kid. He had no idea his dad was pimping him out. (Please ignore the fact that he told a recruiter that he would not be attending Mississippi State because his father chose Auburn because "the money was too much." )
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Post by theexorcist on Dec 6, 2010 15:15:40 GMT -5
Gophers hired Jerry Kill from NIU over the weekend. Anyone have any idea if he's a good enough coach to turn the Gophers into a decent football program or (hope against hope) a good one? Yes. Succeeded at Southern Illinois, then NIU. Think Brian Kelly career track. NIU has, very rare running back aside, been pretty bad. Kill resurrected their program.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 7, 2010 10:51:39 GMT -5
Gophers hired Jerry Kill from NIU over the weekend. Anyone have any idea if he's a good enough coach to turn the Gophers into a decent football program or (hope against hope) a good one? Yes. Succeeded at Southern Illinois, then NIU. Think Brian Kelly career track. In that case, he has a very fitting last name.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 7, 2010 14:57:25 GMT -5
For my money (or more likely Auburn's), Cam Newton is the best around... Hey, I'll be the first to give the kid credit for what he did on the field. I would never have guessed that he could have developed as much or as quickly as he did when he was here. Granted, I only saw him for a handful of spring practices, one spring game and then in a couple of mop-up duty performances in 2008, but still, his development has been phenomenal. He isn't just another good running quarterback who can throw the ball to guys if they are wide open. Whatever the "it" factor is, really came to him in his one year at JuCo and his one year at Auburn. He's no longer an athlete, but a quarterback. I'll definitely give him the credit he deserves. All of the jokes aside, if I were pressed into an opinion, I would have to guess that he did know what his dad was doing and might have even been involved in the planning and/or in the potential gains. And I don't especially like to see my Gators jump ship only to have the ultimate success anywhere -- much less a rival SEC school. But I'll still give him the credit he deserves and I'll still be pulling for him to keep the Natty Tite where it belongs -- here in the SEC.
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Post by Boz on Dec 7, 2010 16:19:26 GMT -5
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Post by hifigator on Dec 7, 2010 16:33:32 GMT -5
Not sure if that's the right link, but I looked several times and didn't see any reference to Natty Tite. Either way, I presume you know what I mean by Natty Tite!
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Post by The Stig on Dec 13, 2010 15:06:30 GMT -5
Big 10 Legends and Leaders divisions? Could they have been any worse if they tried?
How about the Big 10 Snow and Big 10 Ice divisions? Cows and Corn? Burgers and Bratwurst? Tailgate and Barbecue?
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