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Post by daytonahoya31 on Aug 16, 2010 16:43:35 GMT -5
and are u suggesting that she slammed her head into the bottom step?
You sound wack as hell for even trying to defend this cat. The story detailed a police report that took an eye-witness account. It wasn't made out of thin air. There are instances where the athlete needs to be defended. This ain't it.
C'mon son....lmao
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 16, 2010 17:44:40 GMT -5
dynasty
Your point about withholding judgement until all the facts are in is valid.
The reason posters are reacting negatively to your comments was your first post. I don't know you, how you think, what you meant. I have only the words of your post to go by -- as do the others in this thread.
A couple things.
If you are suggesting we need to wait till all the facts are in, doesn't that also apply to the woman involved? Tossing out the accusation "crazy baby mama" is not consistent with waiting till all the facts are in. Neither is the comment "Trouble follows him". That makes it sound like HE is the victim.
Secondly, isn't he the same kid who was arrested for raping a girl in his HS?
Third, a number of top programs passed on him -- wasn't it because of character issues?
Fourth, in this case, the police report says there were two friends with the girlfriend when she arrived home. It also says Lance pushed her down the stairs.... did YOU ever push someone down the stairs? I doubt it. You would be risking very serious injury, even death. Then the police report says he hit her head on the bottom step.
Now if this report came out of the blue with no "priors", and no witnesses, maybe it would be worth waiting to see what other evidence might surface. But even in that case, assuming the "poor kid" just has "Trouble follow him" and adding "Crazy Baby Mama" would be even more unsupportable than the reported facts in the case.
Finally, as you pointed out... some of his early misbehavior might have been forgivable due to his youth. But given that background and seeing it continuing? That is what leads people to criticize him.
OK, I am sure we have all spent too much time on this one already. As mentioned, I don't know you and I don't know what was in your mind. Maybe your post didn't accurately reflect your true thoughts. But your post is all we had to go on and it is what led to the reactions... not people jumping on a kid when he's down.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Aug 16, 2010 19:20:01 GMT -5
dynasty Your point about withholding judgement until all the facts are in is valid. The reason posters are reacting negatively to your comments was your first post. I don't know you, how you think, what you meant. I have only the words of your post to go by -- as do the others in this thread. A couple things. If you are suggesting we need to wait till all the facts are in, doesn't that also apply to the woman involved? Tossing out the accusation "crazy baby mama" is not consistent with waiting till all the facts are in. Neither is the comment "Trouble follows him". That makes it sound like HE is the victim. Secondly, isn't he the same kid who was arrested for raping a girl in his HS? Third, a number of top programs passed on him -- wasn't it because of character issues? Fourth, in this case, the police report says there were two friends with the girlfriend when she arrived home. It also says Lance pushed her down the stairs.... did YOU ever push someone down the stairs? I doubt it. You would be risking very serious injury, even death. Then the police report says he hit her head on the bottom step. Now if this report came out of the blue with no "priors", and no witnesses, maybe it would be worth waiting to see what other evidence might surface. But even in that case, assuming the "poor kid" just has "Trouble follow him" and adding "Crazy Baby Mama" would be even more unsupportable than the reported facts in the case. Finally, as you pointed out... some of his early misbehavior might have been forgivable due to his youth. But given that background and seeing it continuing? That is what leads people to criticize him. OK, I am sure we have all spent too much time on this one already. As mentioned, I don't know you and I don't know what was in your mind. Maybe your post didn't accurately reflect your true thoughts. But your post is all we had to go on and it is what led to the reactions... not people jumping on a kid when he's down. Point taken. I was a little vague in my initial post so Ill take blame for that. I tend to play devil's advocate on issues like this. But one can definitely see the hypocrisy on the board. FWIW, he never raped a girl in hs. He groped her near a bus stop I believe, whatever that means. I feel sorry for the kid still because he has made some mistakes, as Im sure we all have. Many kids make them. Al Faroq shot a kid in the face with a beebee gun the summer before he went to Wake, but because he was perceived as a good kid he got a pass without much press. Lance possibly will never play an nba game based on this. And I dont think he is a bad kid, just one that was given too much too soon and lacked the proper guidance, and thus made bad decisions. But as some klowndicc pointed out before you, Im "wack as hell" for defending a 19 year old kid who has made some mistakes. So lets take all the kids who have been involved in the justice system and write them off as well. No, lets take everyone who has gotten into trouble before and say screw em. That'll work. Im rooting for the young man to get his life on track because that is what I do. He is a talent and I hope he is able to get through this, otherwise, who knows where his life will end up... That'll be my last post on the topic, but Saxa your reasonableness is appreciated.
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nathanhm
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Post by nathanhm on Aug 16, 2010 19:33:02 GMT -5
groped: to touch or handle (someone) for sexual pleasure.
When used by the legal system it means without consent. Perhaps trouble follows the kid because he causes the trouble, like not keeping his hands to himself.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 16, 2010 20:10:14 GMT -5
Certain people out there, who don't have a track record for getting in trouble, can sometimes get the benefit of the doubt.
If I had to bet, I'd bet Stephenson is guilty. If I had to bet. You're right that we should let it play out; but it's also pretty hard to give Stephenson the benefit of the doubt. And especially when your first post sounded a lot like you felt sorry for Stephenson even assuming he did it. I know you didn't mean that, but it kinda came out that way.
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