SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 11, 2010 12:19:55 GMT -5
Ironic, since Auburn was just coming off probation. I find it amazing that Tuberville can preach that his team was clean. Riiiiight.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Jun 11, 2010 12:42:05 GMT -5
The problem I have with USC getting hit like this is that the NCAA is so freaking arbitrary. Oklahoma has a systematic problem in both football and basketball -- and nothing doing there, for example. Weird thing is it's all based on 2 players--Bush and Mayo. Now I'm not ignorant enough to think others didn't get benefits, etc... but when you make an example out of a team for 2 guys and their dealings with agents---and let schools like FSU get away with academic fraud with lesser punishment--and the academic fraud was admitted by university--it's odd. USC lost 1 less scholarship then Miami did when they had the Pell Grant scheme that led to their probation-and that is a bit odd.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 11, 2010 13:52:23 GMT -5
The problem I have with USC getting hit like this is that the NCAA is so freaking arbitrary. Oklahoma has a systematic problem in both football and basketball -- and nothing doing there, for example. Weird thing is it's all based on 2 players--Bush and Mayo. Now I'm not ignorant enough to think others didn't get benefits, etc... but when you make an example out of a team for 2 guys and their dealings with agents---and let schools like FSU get away with academic fraud with lesser punishment--and the academic fraud was admitted by university--it's odd. USC lost 1 less scholarship then Miami did when they had the Pell Grant scheme that led to their probation-and that is a bit odd. Actually, isn't it really one player, since basketball should be separated out from football, and the NCAA let the self-imposed basketball punishment stand? It does seem like a pretty heavy punishment for the doings relating to one player - not that I care.
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Post by RDF on Jun 12, 2010 15:31:28 GMT -5
Businessman Sam Gilbert was a well-known figure among UCLA basketball players throughout the 1960s and 70s. (Reed Saxon / Associated Press / February 2, 1982) www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...5934983.columnEdited. Do not post entire articles. Use the link instead.--Admin
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Post by hifigator on Jun 15, 2010 1:41:55 GMT -5
I have intentionally stayed out of this debate. But as far as the historical impact goes, USC's penalty is more severe than almost any other. The "infamous" death penalty that SMU received was the obvious "benchmark," for lack of a better term. Beyond that, the Florida penalty from the Pell years and the Miami penalty a decade plus later are the only ones on par with what USC received. Is it really surprising that all three programs achieved great success ... and one could argue, "monumental" success for the program? I'm not saying that there is a direct cause/effect relationship from the particular infractions, but still, it's really conspicuous that the 3 staunchest penalties in history -- at least short of the blatant disregard for rules that SMU openly displayed -- were handed out to 3 programs that had radically different levels of successes? Specifically, prior to the infractions the successes was significantly lower. Following the infractions, the successes were dramatically better. Finally, "post-infraction" -- but pre investigation/sanctioning -- the successes were still "almost there." In both other examples, there was a serious learning curve to rediscover. I can only hope that such a period is on the USC horizon.
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