SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 18, 2010 10:54:57 GMT -5
Unbelievable comeback! 2-2!!
And the US had a goal stolen by the ref.... Lalas called the ref a Disgrace... for the entire game.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 18, 2010 10:55:23 GMT -5
We've just seen the Curtis Shaw of the World Cup!
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 18, 2010 10:58:55 GMT -5
US Coach Bradley interviewed after the game, still does not know what the call was on the disallowed goal.
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The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Jun 18, 2010 11:00:56 GMT -5
Nobody knows what the foul was. Even the BBC's match commentary said the only fouls were the 2 Slovenians hugging their American counterparts.
This should be a great moment for US soccer, but I'm a lot more angry than thrilled right now. That blown call will probably prevent the US from advancing.
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Post by The Stig on Jun 18, 2010 11:02:00 GMT -5
Nice! I'll say this. The US team is nothing if not entertaining, for better or for worse. 85th minute: Are there any soccer experts who want to explain to me why that was not an absolutely horrible call??? Where the F was the foul? There were actually two fouls committed on that play. Both were Slovenian.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jun 18, 2010 11:07:50 GMT -5
This should be a great moment for US soccer, but I'm a lot more angry than thrilled right now. That blown call will probably prevent the US from advancing. I'm angry, too, but don't we still have a pretty decent shot of advancing? The picture will become a bit clearer this evening, but if England wins out and we beat Algeria, we advance, right?
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 18, 2010 11:09:14 GMT -5
Donovan says the ref would not tell them what the call was on the disallowed goal. They still don't know what the call was.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 18, 2010 11:11:51 GMT -5
This should be a great moment for US soccer, but I'm a lot more angry than thrilled right now. That blown call will probably prevent the US from advancing. I'm angry, too, but don't we still have a pretty decent shot of advancing? The picture will become a bit clearer this evening, but if England wins out and we beat Algeria, we advance, right? We are likely to have 5 points... 1-0-2 UK is likely to be 2-0-1 (7 pts) Slovenia likely to be 1-1-1 (4 pts) IF Slovenia beats the UK, it will be US 1-0-2 (5 pts) UK 1-1-1 (4 pts) Slovenia 2-0-1 (7 pts) If Slovenia and UK tie, US 1-0-2 (5 pts) UK 1-0-2 (5 pts) SLV 1-0-2 (5 pts) Then it goes to goal differential? (The above assumes both US and UK beat Algeria) Seems to me we are likely to advance.... am I wrong about that?
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jun 18, 2010 11:18:09 GMT -5
We just have to beat Algeria 5-nil.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jun 18, 2010 11:19:20 GMT -5
My gut tells me that your breakdown is spot on. We are fortunate that Slovenia and England have to play each other.
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The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Jun 18, 2010 11:21:23 GMT -5
OK, I miscalculated. For some reason I was banking on Slovenia having 5 points.
The way I read it, if we beat Algeria by more than 1, we advance. If that happens, we'll have 5, and at least a +2 GD. Slovenia and the England will go into the final match with 4 points each. A result will mean we advance on points, a draw will mean we advance on GD over Slovenia (who would be +1 if they draw England).
That all assumes England beats Algeria. Things may get more complicated if they don't.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Jun 18, 2010 12:17:11 GMT -5
With an Algerian win over England, everything is less complicated. Assuming USA beats Algeria:
If Algeria beats England, and England beats Slovenia:
US 1-0-2 Eng 1-1-1 Svn 1-1-1 Alg 1-1-1
If Algeria beats England, and Slovenia beats England:
USA 1-0-2 Eng 0-2-1 Svn 2-0-1 Alg 1-1-1
If Algeria beats England and Slovenia and England tie:
USA 1-0-2 Eng 0-1-2 Svn 1-0-2 Alg 1-2-0
The USA advances in all three of those scenarios. Go Algeria!
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jun 18, 2010 12:23:45 GMT -5
OK, I miscalculated. For some reason I was banking on Slovenia having 5 points. The way I read it, if we beat Algeria by more than 1, we advance. If that happens, we'll have 5, and at least a +2 GD. Slovenia and the England will go into the final match with 4 points each. A result will mean we advance on points, a draw will mean we advance on GD over Slovenia (who would be +1 if they draw England). That all assumes England beats Algeria. Things may get more complicated if they don't. No, that's right. Second tiebreaker is total goals as well and there's not going to be another 2-2 draw in this group so we'll win a tiebreaker with England if our GD is the same. Essentially, beat Algeria and we're likely through. The only odd scenario is Slovenia draws with England 1-1 and we beat Algeria 1-0, essentially giving us the exact same results. Then I think they actually flip a coin which would be a lousy way to go out. Note: MASSIVE pressure on England to win 2-0 or better here against the Algerians. A 1-0 result means Slovenia can sit on it for 90 minutes and be through with a 0-0 draw (5pts +1 GD, 3 total goals to 2 for England). It would also mean win and you're in for the US.
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Post by The Stig on Jun 18, 2010 12:47:17 GMT -5
Yeah, you guys are right. The scenario is pretty simple, actually.
- The US, for all realistic purposes, MUST beat Algeria. - If England beats Algeria, then ties Slovenia, then the US must beat Algeria by at least 2. - If the US beats Algeria by at least 2, then they're through regardless of what happens in the other matches. - If England does not beat Algeria, or if England and Slovenia do not tie, then the US can advance with a 1 goal victory over Algeria.
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Post by vcjack on Jun 18, 2010 12:59:51 GMT -5
One consolidation would be if Germany after THEIR shocking performance against the former Yugoslavia came in second in group D and thus screwing over England/Slovenia
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Post by thebin on Jun 18, 2010 13:00:58 GMT -5
If Algeria wins tonight, then US just needs to win their last game. So US fans should root for Algeria tonight, but if/when they lose, we'll have to root big time for England to beat Slovenia. That scares me. It seems very very possible that England beats Algeria, ties Slovenia and we win by one goal or tie Algeria. It seems to me we have about 60-65% chance of moving on right now. It would be more like 90% if the referee didn't steal the US go-ahead goal. He was atrocious all day, just wasn't up for this stage. I'm going to go ahead and speculate that FIFA really wanted some African refs and this guy had no business doing this game.
Sucks when you get smacked in the face by a ball and the ref kicks you out of the next World Cup game for it. Findley is highly replaceable though....in fact Buddle should have played instead of him. Despite scoring the game winning goal, Edu shouldn't get back out there. Didn't like what I saw other than the goal on Lando's awesome service.
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Post by vcjack on Jun 18, 2010 13:10:28 GMT -5
If Algeria wins tonight, then US just needs to win their last game. So US fans should root for Algeria tonight, but if/when they lose, we'll have to root big time for England to beat Slovenia. That scares me. It seems very very possible that England beats Algeria, ties Slovenia and we win by one goal or tie Algeria. It seems to me we have about 60-65% chance of moving on right now. It would be more like 90% if the referee didn't steal the US go-ahead goal. He was atrocious all day, just wasn't up for this stage. I'm going to go ahead and speculate that FIFA really wanted some African refs and this guy had no business doing this game. Sucks when you get smacked in the face by a ball and the ref kicks you out of the next World Cup game for it. Findley is highly replaceable though....in fact Buddle should have played instead of him. Despite scoring the game winning goal, Edu shouldn't get back out there. Didn't like what I saw other than the goal on Lando's awesome service. Do you think Gooch gets benched too? Really all 3 of the goals scored against the US have been his fault.
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Post by kghoya on Jun 18, 2010 13:31:42 GMT -5
Goodson should play for Onyewu. Or move Bocanegra in the middle and get Spector in the line-up. 88 more minutes for Algeria to hold on to this tie
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Post by thebin on Jun 18, 2010 13:54:30 GMT -5
Gooch looked great against England, but yeah, he really sucked today. Bocanegra is showing his miles too. Dolo has been the rock back there.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jun 18, 2010 14:08:01 GMT -5
Is today's abortion of a referee job any less egregious than the Ireland-France result from the qualifying round? I've rewatched the replay 4-5 times and I still can't find a single gd thing to whistle (on the US side). A buddy posted this on facebook, so i thought I'd share: Slovenian defender Marko Suler was adamant the referee had made the correct decision to disallow Edu’s goal and accused the Americans of roughhouse tactics.“They were pushing and holding all the time,” Suler said. “You could see it was a foul and it was the correct decision. They did not deserve to win the game. It would not have been... the correct result. We were the better team.” mgoblog.com/sites/mgoblog.com/files/KnifeWork_B2BB/hugmeholdme.jpg
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