hoyainspirit
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 11:06:56 GMT -5
Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 21, 2010 11:06:56 GMT -5
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hifigator
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 11:12:21 GMT -5
Post by hifigator on Apr 21, 2010 11:12:21 GMT -5
I'm not surprised a bit. That's pretty much what I was expecting.
On an unrelated note: can we ever have an off season go by without news of Big Ben or T.O.? I don't think so.
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hoyarooter
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 11:38:23 GMT -5
Post by hoyarooter on Apr 21, 2010 11:38:23 GMT -5
T.O. may be a major prima donna, but to my knowledge he has never pulled any of the garbage that Ben is accused of.
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 12:13:24 GMT -5
Post by RDF on Apr 21, 2010 12:13:24 GMT -5
T.O. may be a major prima donna, but to my knowledge he has never pulled any of the garbage that Ben is accused of. Don't tell the talking heads that--they lump him and Chad Johnson in the group of morons who commit crimes. The only crime those two commit are having huge egos--which most to all NFL players have.
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Apr 21, 2010 12:38:44 GMT -5
Post by theexorcist on Apr 21, 2010 12:38:44 GMT -5
T.O. may be a major prima donna, but to my knowledge he has never pulled any of the garbage that Ben is accused of. Calling it garbage really doesn't do it justice - when the DA laments that he can't charge the guy, and when the way things seem to have gone down is that he had a bodyguard running interference so he could have his way with a drunk woman - yeah, that's more than garbage.
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 12:55:12 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Apr 21, 2010 12:55:12 GMT -5
T.O. may be a major prima donna, but to my knowledge he has never pulled any of the garbage that Ben is accused of. Calling it garbage really doesn't do it justice - when the DA laments that he can't charge the guy, and when the way things seem to have gone down is that he had a bodyguard running interference so he could have his way with a drunk woman - yeah, that's more than garbage. Yeah, I'd say he's lucky he's getting 4-6 games and not 4-6 years.
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 13:24:41 GMT -5
Post by CAHoya07 on Apr 21, 2010 13:24:41 GMT -5
But Ben wasn't actually charged with anything criminally, right? I believe those charges were dropped? It still comes across as embarrassing for Roger Goddell and the NFL, which is I guess why he gets the suspension. Also, stories have come out about Ben whipping it out at the club to several ladies. So, how "big" is Big Ben?
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SirSaxa
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 14:19:13 GMT -5
Post by SirSaxa on Apr 21, 2010 14:19:13 GMT -5
But Ben wasn't actually charged with anything criminally, right? I believe those charges were dropped? It still comes across as embarrassing for Roger Goddell and the NFL, which is I guess why he gets the suspension. Also, stories have come out about Ben whipping it out at the club to several ladies. So, how "big" is Big Ben? You are right CA... no criminal charges. But the burden of proof necessary to meet "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" is much higher than... what do we really think happened. I think Goodell is right to take these steps. And, for those who compared Ben to OchoCinco and T.O. well, pretty good points. To go further on that, I don't put 85 and TO in the same category. I don't recall 85 blaming his QB over and over again. And as far as I know, 85 does not have a history of drops. But as far as we know, neither of those guys have done what Ben did.
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 15:21:00 GMT -5
Post by flyoverhoya on Apr 21, 2010 15:21:00 GMT -5
He should angle for a trade to Green Bay. Nobody would ever hear anything negative about his off the field antics again, given that the local media is so utterly subservient to the Packers.
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Boz
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Apr 21, 2010 15:44:24 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Apr 21, 2010 15:44:24 GMT -5
He should angle for a trade to Green Bay. Nobody would ever hear anything negative about his off the field antics again, given that the local media is so utterly subservient to the Packers. Well, the Packers did cut Mark Chmura......
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 15:45:55 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Apr 21, 2010 15:45:55 GMT -5
T.O. may be a major prima donna, but to my knowledge he has never pulled any of the garbage that Ben is accused of. Calling it garbage really doesn't do it justice - when the DA laments that he can't charge the guy, and when the way things seem to have gone down is that he had a bodyguard running interference so he could have his way with a drunk woman - yeah, that's more than garbage. Well, the DA wasn't really lamenting that he can't charge the guy. He could've decided to prosecute -- nothing prevented him from going forward. It was only after reviewing a bunch of factors and evidence that he decided he didn't have a good enough chance of securing a conviction.
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 15:46:42 GMT -5
Post by kchoya on Apr 21, 2010 15:46:42 GMT -5
Also, stories have come out about Ben whipping it out at the club to several ladies. So, how "big" is Big Ben? If you've been reading deadspin, you really don't want to go down that road. ;D
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 17:42:23 GMT -5
Post by jgalt on Apr 21, 2010 17:42:23 GMT -5
No matter how Editedy you think TO and Ocho Cinco are, the one thing they have never been are criminals (at least that we know of)
I think this was a big message from Goodell. One, that the league's image is extremely important and damaging it is almost as bad as if you actually you know, go to jail. (its also worse than being on trial for murder apparently). And Two Goodell is saying that there will be no benefit given to players because they are white.
I think Ben is a complete sleaze bag, but that is probably because of my inherent biases against anything having to do with Pittsburgh. So I think this is the right penalty.
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 19:20:16 GMT -5
Post by hoyarooter on Apr 21, 2010 19:20:16 GMT -5
From what I heard, this is starting to sound a little like the Duke lacrosse team situation with respect to the veracity of the "accuser." So this is clearly going nowhere criminally. Nevertheless, Ben has brought a black eye to the league on more than one occasion with this sort of behavior despite being warned against it, so I have no problem with Goodell's action.
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Apr 21, 2010 19:26:31 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Apr 21, 2010 19:26:31 GMT -5
From what I heard, this is starting to sound a little like the Duke lacrosse team situation with respect to the veracity of the "accuser." So this is clearly going nowhere criminally. Nevertheless, Ben has brought a black eye to the league on more than one occasion with this sort of behavior despite being warned against it, so I have no problem with Goodell's action. I'd buy that with Ben's Lake Tahoe incident, but IMO, this one has a little more truth to it, even though there will be no prosecution.
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 20:26:51 GMT -5
Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 21, 2010 20:26:51 GMT -5
From what I heard, this is starting to sound a little like the Duke lacrosse team situation with respect to the veracity of the "accuser." So this is clearly going nowhere criminally. Nevertheless, Ben has brought a black eye to the league on more than one occasion with this sort of behavior despite being warned against it, so I have no problem with Goodell's action. I'd buy that with Ben's Lake Tahoe incident, but IMO, this one has a little more truth to it, even though there will be no prosecution. And twice in a year with other rumored incidents is not the same as a bunch of kids getting accused by a crackhead stripper. I find it hard to believe that Ben is just "wrong place, wrong time" a lot.
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Big Ben
Apr 21, 2010 22:58:19 GMT -5
Post by The Stig on Apr 21, 2010 22:58:19 GMT -5
I think there may be a similarity with the Duke lacrosse incident, but not in the false claims way.
Remember with Duke lacrosse, there was clearly a lot of sketchy and probably illegal stuff going on at that party. The fact that that stuff didn't include raping a stripper didn't make the stuff that did happen any better. But the prosecutor went so hard after the alleged rape that everybody completely forgot about the other stuff that happened. So when the rape charges fell apart, everybody assumed that the players had done nothing wrong.
Similarly, in Big Ben's case, he clearly did a lot of sketchy stuff even if he didn't assault the girl. The difference is that the Georgia prosecutor didn't push the sexual assault charge further than he could take it, so he didn't overshadow the clear, indisputable facts with things he couldn't prove. I thought he played it perfectly. He basically saddled Big Ben with a "Not Proven" verdict, which is probably what he deserves.
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hoyarooter
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Apr 22, 2010 11:45:44 GMT -5
Post by hoyarooter on Apr 22, 2010 11:45:44 GMT -5
I agree with all of the above. My only point was that, like ultimately with the crackhead stripper, there appear to be legitimate doubts about the veracity of the rape allegation. In this case, though, the DA didn't shoot first and ask questiions later. In no way am I an apologist for Ben's behavior, which appears to have a pattern or practice of being rotten.
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Big Ben
Apr 22, 2010 20:31:13 GMT -5
Post by FLHoya on Apr 22, 2010 20:31:13 GMT -5
Well since we don't have a NFL Draft thread...
...there's classy, and then there's the Radio City Music Hall crowd chanting "SHE SAID NO!" when the Steelers pick made it to the stage, as Roger Godell with the maximum possible malice in his voice introduces his friend--a 10-11 or so aged child from the Make a Wish Foundation--to make the announcement.
Way to freakin' go. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Apr 22, 2010 21:51:45 GMT -5
Post by Boz on Apr 22, 2010 21:51:45 GMT -5
Well since we don't have a NFL Draft thread... ...there's classy, and then there's the Radio City Music Hall crowd chanting "SHE SAID NO!" when the Steelers pick made it to the stage, as Roger Godell with the maximum possible malice in his voice introduces his friend--a 10-11 or so aged child from the Make a Wish Foundation--to make the announcement. Way to freakin' go. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Didn't see that. Probably would have been the highlight of the night. I tried tuning into the draft in between hockey periods and it is simply unwatchable television. Also, Chris Berman is beyond senile. Live TV is not your friend, Boomer.
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