DanMcQ
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Apr 3, 2010 20:47:08 GMT -5
Post by DanMcQ on Apr 3, 2010 20:47:08 GMT -5
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hoyaalf
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Post by hoyaalf on Apr 4, 2010 5:04:57 GMT -5
He's a very, very sensitive man.
Having said that, I should add that I have made a little doll I call K-let.
This little K-let is going to get a really miserable toothache at game time Monday night.
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MassHoya
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Post by MassHoya on Apr 4, 2010 8:25:02 GMT -5
And the problem with the article was...?
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Apr 4, 2010 11:34:37 GMT -5
Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 4, 2010 11:34:37 GMT -5
You're looking at this the wrong way, Dan. It's not about Coach K the person, it's about Coach K the brand. You can't allow your lucrative brand to be tarnished, so you must fight back against any negative publicity at all costs.
You know, my seven grandkids didn't enjoy looking at it. That's not Papi. No, they only see Papi as a superhero, courageously educating the masses about the benefits of American Express.
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hoyaalf
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Apr 5, 2010 10:47:25 GMT -5
Post by hoyaalf on Apr 5, 2010 10:47:25 GMT -5
Mike, it's still not too late to volunteer for Vietnam.
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SSHoya
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Apr 5, 2010 12:17:41 GMT -5
Post by SSHoya on Apr 5, 2010 12:17:41 GMT -5
Great observation hoyaalf. It has always bugged me that he graduated USMA in the middle of the Vietnam War and his services consisted of:
He was captain of the Army basketball team in his senior season, 1968–69, leading his team to the National Invitation Tournament (NIT) at Madison Square Garden in New York City. From 1969 to 1974, Krzyzewski served in the Army and directed service teams for three years, and then followed that up with two years as head coach of the U.S. Military Academy Prep School at Fort Belvoir, Virginia.
Of course, you'll never hear anyone in the press ask him about that!! With the 35th anniversary of the fall of Saigon later this month, maybe some intrepid reporter should make this inquiry.
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DFW HOYA
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Apr 5, 2010 12:32:39 GMT -5
Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 5, 2010 12:32:39 GMT -5
Great observation hoyaalf. It has always bugged me that he graduated USMA in the middle of the Vietnam War and his services consisted of: He was captain of the Army basketball team in his senior season, 1968–69, leading his team to the National Invitation Tournament (NIT) at Madison Square Garden in New York City. From 1969 to 1974, Krzyzewski served in the Army and directed service teams for three years, and then followed that up with two years as head coach of the U.S. Military Academy Prep School at Fort Belvoir, Virginia. That was not uncommon among select Academy athletes; anyone remember David Robisnon's term in the Navy? But to be fair, such decisions were made by two and three star generals and not by the cadet himself. (Others did go into combat, however: Roger Staubach volunteered for a tour in Vietnam before joining the NFL.)
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SSHoya
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Apr 5, 2010 12:49:17 GMT -5
Post by SSHoya on Apr 5, 2010 12:49:17 GMT -5
DFW, IIRC, the difference with David Robinson is that he grew 4 or 5 inches by the time he matriculated at USNA (I believe he was onl 6' 7" when he was accepted at Annapolis) and thus was disqualified from service aboard ship, sub or to receive pilot training. (I believe there is a height restriction for entering Annapolis). Accordingly, he ended up in the CEC (Civil Engineering Corps) and served a reduced term of service as the CEC in Savannah, Georgia. He was excused from the last 3 years of his active duty service:
"By the time he took the court in his first basketball game for the Navy Midshipmen men's basketball team, he had grown to 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m), and over the course of his college basketball career he grew to 7 ft 0 in (2.13 m).[3] In Robinson's final two years, he was a consensus All-American and won college basketball's two most prestigious player awards, the Naismith and Wooden Awards as a Naval Academy first classman (senior). Robinson played his first three years for the Midshipmen under Paul Evans (who left Navy to coach at Pitt) and under former University of Georgia interim Head Coach Pete Herrmann during his senior season. Upon graduation, he became eligible for the 1987 NBA Draft and was selected by the San Antonio Spurs with the first overall pick; however, the Spurs had to wait two years before he could join them because he had to fulfill two years of duty with the Navy.
The Navy excused him from three years of the normal five years of his military commitment following graduation from the Naval Academy. Nonetheless, Robinson continued to serve in a reserve role with the Navy and was regularly featured in recruiting materials for the service. Despite the nickname "Admiral", Robinson's actual rank upon fulfilling his service commitment was Lieutenant, Junior Grade"
Napoleon McCallum attempted to get out of his full 5-year service commitment and was not successful at that, before he ended up with the Oakland Raiders.
I think the relevant distinction is that at the time of K's graduation, he could have volunteered for Vietnam in the time of war -- he didn't, and I have no doubt the brass would have assented to such a request.
Per Staubach, don't know that he "volunteered" but at that time (class of 1963?) it was simply expected that you'd fulfill your military commitment.
Sorry, Didn't mean to turn this "political" but it is a pet peeve of mine.
V/R
SSHoya, LCDR (US Naval Reserve, formerly, and son of a Vietnam veteran who was choppered off the US Embassy roof, April 30, 1975. )
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Apr 5, 2010 12:59:46 GMT -5
Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 5, 2010 12:59:46 GMT -5
Understood about Robinson, merely noting that the higher-ups tend to watch out for stars at the Academy when it comes to combat assignments.
The story I heard on Staubach was that was was given a safer initial assignment but asked to go to Vietnam, and was later reassigned stateside as the NFL neared.
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Apr 5, 2010 14:39:04 GMT -5
Post by SSHoya on Apr 5, 2010 14:39:04 GMT -5
Thanks for the info on Staubach. But in the scheme of things, if you weren't doing riverine patrol, flying jets or a Navy SEAL (see e.g., John Kerry, John McCain, Bob Kerrey), at sea in the U.S. Navy during the Vietnam War wasn't as hazardous duty as the either of the aforementioned. Not meant as any disrepest to any Naval officers who served at sea during any of our recent conflicts. Good for Roger Staubach (even though I am, unfortunately, a born and bred Redskins fan).
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