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Post by HoyaSouth on Feb 14, 2010 18:20:29 GMT -5
Why do these players struggle with fundamentals. JTIII is given the benefit of the doubt, "freshman". Well if he could develop players they wouldn't transfer. Henry SIms is rotting on the bench while Benimon struggles with the basics. He only looks for his shot when the clock is under 5.
Chris Wright is officially a head case. deleted
These up and downs are a result of coaching. He doesnt know how to be hard on them when he needs to.
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Post by lichoya68 on Feb 14, 2010 18:33:23 GMT -5
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 14, 2010 18:38:55 GMT -5
III didn't have his best day today. But this thread is ridiculous. You want to tell me guys like Clark and Vaughn (who was essentially a frosh last year) haven't developed? Sims played in the 1st half today and contributed no more than Benimon while he was in.
III's faults today include what lic said re: Monroe, and failing to adjust on defense against Mitchell (who hurt us in the 1st game too). But it has nothing to do with Sims, who better spend this off-season working on his game if he wants to see any minutes next year with Lubick coming in.
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Post by bronxhoya87 on Feb 14, 2010 18:41:09 GMT -5
Hoyasouth I disagree he does develop his players but he too often sticks to the script. We never take advantage of mismatches we have. We never adapt our style to fit the other teams foul trouble.
Also JTIII kills our MO with some crazy timeouts.
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Post by jester on Feb 14, 2010 18:43:13 GMT -5
question regarding coaching - does JTIII gameplan every game himself? or does an assistant have an assignment ahead of the game to scout it out and then JTIII takes over? just seems some games the attention to the details are great, and some not. yes, perhaps players are inconsistent in execution, but just wondering if there are inconsistancies beyond that...
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Post by smittydakid on Feb 14, 2010 18:49:45 GMT -5
Jt 3 develops players but only to fit his system. He never exploits mismatches. If we have an advantage down low he won't use it to our advantage. JT 3 doesn't use big man very well. (hibbert,Monroe). They are on the perimenter too often. Which doesn't utilize there strengths. Monroe gets a layup with ease, next possesion we take a nba three. Doesn't make sense. Call a timeout and get the ball to Monroe, period! It's coaching!
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 14, 2010 19:24:01 GMT -5
Why do these players struggle with fundamentals. JTIII is given the benefit of the doubt, "freshman". Well if he could develop players they wouldn't transfer. Henry SIms is rotting on the bench while Benimon struggles with the basics. He only looks for his shot when the clock is under 5. Chris Wright is officially a head case. deleted These up and downs are a result of coaching. He doesnt know how to be hard on them when he needs to. Can you please post your coaching record for us? I'm sure it's outstanding but I'd like to see it in print just to get the full effect.
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 14, 2010 20:39:58 GMT -5
Jeff is in the NBA. since he left, no one has effrectively run the team on the floor. JWall was only marginal as a general, better role player. Austin ran the team against Nova in the second half. deleted - no speculation on player status
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Post by Locker on Feb 14, 2010 20:48:07 GMT -5
Because we lost today, JWall was only a role player. Nice.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 14, 2010 22:46:39 GMT -5
And how is Chris a head case? He made some bad decisions and didn't have a good game. He's not the only one that didn't play well and it seemed to me that he was trying to do to much because no one really had it going early.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 14, 2010 23:00:32 GMT -5
And how is Chris a head case? He made some bad decisions and didn't have a good game. He's not the only one that didn't play well and it seemed to me that he was trying to do to much because no one really had it going early. I don't think we should be calling Chris a head case, but not getting a body on anyone on the putback at the end is absolutely inexcusable. Lots of guys were struggling but they were working HARD. Freeman's diving on the floor calling timeout, JB has 4 boards in 6 minutes, Hollis is getting tip-ins and making things happen. Meanwhile it looked like it was Chris' first college game today. Physically, that's fine. Hey, everyone has off nights. But mentally, that's not fine. And not boxing out, taking it by yourself 4 on 1 and then missing the FTs, and not getting a hand in anyone's face on jumpers are big mental errors for the guy who's supposed to be one of the leaders on the floor.
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 15, 2010 10:19:22 GMT -5
Coaching has to include recruiting. The team is starting to show fatigue. This seven man rotation with a lot of four on five is starting to show. Hollis has started to score, knew he would, he's got a great stroke. JB is giving us minutes. No guard support from the bench. Vee is a good Princeton guard, we need to play him a couple minutes each half. Would love to see Henry step up- it might not happen.
No bench is because we haven't recruited and kept recruits. No Senior class this year. Couldn't keep what we recruited, one to the NBA, three others gone. We needed more than two recruits coming in next year.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 15, 2010 10:36:15 GMT -5
My question would be, could Chris 's play be result of fatigue, physically and mentally. Chris has played a ton of minutes and at some point he makes mistakes. Also, I take real exception to saying Chris is a head case. The kid plays with emotion, something many of you guys say we do not do enough of. I have never questioned his desire and heart, right now its his confidence that is a question.
As for coaching, JT3 made some mistakes yesterday no question. Julian should get more minutes, a TO for that final play could have been a good call, those timeouts after our made baskets are questionable as well. He is stubborn but that is a quality of all good coaches. Think about the modern HOF coaches - Coach K (strict man to man, 7 man rotations), Calhoun (loves to run the break, believe in big post defense), Boeheim (2-3 zone always), Roy Williams (run, run, run) - they all have very strict philosophies on how to play the game. And, especially when personnel do not fit, they get their fair share of criticisms, but in the long-run they win. If that is JT3 than I can live with it.
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 15, 2010 10:42:41 GMT -5
Jeff is in the NBA. since he left, no one has effrectively run the team on the floor. JWall was only marginal as a general, better role player. Austin ran the team against Nova in the second half. deleted - no speculation on player status Skyhoya, do you think your disappointment in yesterday's game (like ALL of us) might be coloring your perspective just a little bit? The post-Jeff Green Hoyas won their second consecutive BE Conf. championship -- FIRST TIME in Hoya History - including the Patrick Ewing (3 FFs in 4 years) NCAA Champion Hoyas? I believe the post-Jeff team ended the year with the 2nd most efficient offense in the country. Someone must have been running things out there.
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Post by b52legend on Feb 15, 2010 10:45:30 GMT -5
Lots of things being addressed in this discussion:
Development - Any criticism of JTIII's ability to develop players seems laughable. There are few coaches I have seen who can develop talent as well as JT3. This was apparent in his first two years with Bowman, Ashanti, and Cook's development. Next, PE Jr., Hibbert, and JWall all developed incredible. (Green was always a monster/predator). This season, I think you can see the steps forward that Austin, JV, and Clark have taken. Criticizing his ability to develop talent just doesn't make sense to me.
Recruiting - I think there is some valid criticism in this regard. He has recruited top talent, but has been unable to recruit/retain the type of depth we should have. If Rivers, Macklin, and Omar would all have stuck on campus, this would be a very deep and much more experienced squad. None of those three players would be difference makers, but there is no doubt in my mind that each would make contributions and likely receive minutes this season.
In Game Coaching - I think just like players, coaches have bad games as well. We have been on here many times this season saying that JT3 flat out coached the other team (Pitt, UConn, Duke, Nova) and other times saying he didn't make the proper adjustments. He is getting a lot of flak about not adjusting on the fly to adjust match-ups, but I think that is much easier said than done. The other team knows where they are weak at certain times and will compensate with rotations, double teams, etc. If you try to force an issue, then you are just as likely to take yourself out of running a good offense. That said, there were clearly times in the game when we should have used Monroe inside more, and he could have, probably should have, scored 30 points or had 5 more assists. He simply is a player that Rutgers can't stop, and I agree that it is frustrating to not see him being used when everyone in the arena knows he can't be stopped. Overall though, I think JT3 had done a good job in game coaching this season. Some games he has not been spot on, but in other games he has been a master tactician.
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Feb 15, 2010 10:54:43 GMT -5
I still have an issue with not calling the time out prior to Chris' shot. His quote about waiting and seeing was beyond me. Why not draw up exactly what you want down by 1 with under 30 seconds and the ball?
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 15, 2010 11:05:39 GMT -5
Speaking of stubborn coaches, does anyone on this board remember John Thompson Jr?
As for adjustments, change, etc. This year's team has made a HUGE adjustment over prior year's teams in terms of the tempo of the offense, running the break much more often, ATTACKING the press. JT3 wasn't too stubborn to make those adjustments. They seem to have worked out pretty well too.
Hey, everyone is disappointed in yesterday's results. But I can guarantee that no one is more disappointed than Coach and team.
Despite all of that, the season to date has to be considered a HUGE success. Let's hope our guys can close it out in a positive fashion.
A little fan support when the team is down is exactly what is needed right now. Let's see what kind of fans we are, starting with a GRAY OUT for Syracuse!
HOYA SAXA!!!
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Post by MEGAFAN on Feb 15, 2010 11:16:48 GMT -5
Here, here Sir Saxa!
Was that one heck of a disappointing loss? Yes. Was I incorrect in thinking the team would realize that this was an opportunity for a (relatively) easy win and take advantage of the opportunity by really bringing it at Rutgers? Yes. Is Chris Wright struggling right now? Yes. Should Greg Monroe dunk the ball more? Yes. Did we jeopardize our shot of finishing third or fourth in the BE and getting a double bye in the BET? Perhaps, but even though our team (including JT III as coach) still has a lot to learn, I'm not ready to give up on them just yet. And neither should the rest of you!
So far this has been a remarkable season, and it's only going to get more exciting. I'll probably be accused of wearing my rose-tinted glasses, but I am expecting the team to continue to grow and learn and there's still enough season left for that to happen. So get behind the team and help them bring it home!
The non-stop express train to MEGAFANLAND has been delayed, but it's going to be leaving the station soon, so strap in and get ready for one heck of a ride. And for those of you who want off the train, jump off now and you can walk or take the bus. I wouldn't recommend it however, as March is coming...
LET'S GO HOYAS!!! SINK SYRACUSE!
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Post by skyhoya on Feb 15, 2010 11:19:46 GMT -5
SirSaxa, we'll still fill the booth for CUSE. We are about in the same position as we were, when we made the last run to the Final Four. Are you going to be at the booth this Thursday?, If so, I have T-Shirt for you. Crush the Orange. HOYA SAXA
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 15, 2010 13:30:57 GMT -5
SirSaxa, we'll still fill the booth for CUSE. We are about in the same position as we were, when we made the last run to the Final Four. Are you going to be at the booth this Thursday?, If so, I have T-Shirt for you. Crush the Orange. HOYA SAXA Thanks SKYHOYA! Lucky for me, I got a Freebie at the Duke game! Unfortunately, as tempting as a second free Tee might be, I am 1,000 miles away this week and won't be able to attend the game in person. I will be envious of everyone who will be there! GO HOYAS!!
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