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Post by Big Dog on Jan 6, 2010 23:12:47 GMT -5
One other thing on the defense - we simply did not make their shooters work to get open even with the switching. We did not seem to tweak Cubillan off the ball at all or put pressure on the ball, which would force them out of their offense beyond the arc and force quick decisions. Our defense seems to sag in almost as a matter of course when some of these league teams like SU can best be beaten with pressure on the lead guards. MU does not have what I would call a playmaker, but their 2-3 man sets on the perimeter generates opportunities that we simply gave them by forcing two people to switch men. I think this describes the first half more than the second. Look, if this defense forces the kind of shots that were forced in the second half all season, we'll be in good shape (as long as we clean up the glass). I wonder if the rebounding, which I noticed to be a problem later in the game, was adversely effected by Thompson being in the game over Vaughn. Also, nobody mentioned Benimon's gorgeous take to the hole off the dribble. Too bad he didn't finish.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 6, 2010 23:14:18 GMT -5
Also, the turnovers were too high--although I can't remember the last time I watched a game where there were 3 off-ball offensive fouls. That was just bizarre. I'd agree with you that it was bizarre, but then again, it seemed to happen all the f*(&^(*& time to Roy. College Basketball is midgetive-normative.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 6, 2010 23:18:24 GMT -5
I didn't say great games, but good games - and I think we got solid contributions from the starters. Sure, Greg could have done more, and JC had some problems - but Hollis played 24 minutes and scored 2 points, how can you possibly say only 2 guys played better than him??? We saw some nicks and dings on Chris and Julian tonight, if we can only get 2 points in 30 minutes from the subs we have big problems down the road. Theres more to a game than scoring. It may not have all show up on the stat sheet, but Thompson played just as well as Clark, Chris, Greg. Greg was a borderline liability in the post at times and Jason made a lot of dumb plays that cost us in the first half. And Chris was a non-factor offensively in the second. Hollis was one of the reasons our defense was a lot better late in the second half. The only player that played a really good game, imo, was Austin. And when only one player plays well on both sides of the ball, I don't know many teams that can win. Can't really agree. Hollis may not have been a liability, but I saw alot of tentative play. with a couple of contributions. We need more from our sixth man - those of the starters who had lesser contributions have done more in many games, butthe bench - including Hollis - has not. They need to step it up, to give us a spark, and not just some neutral minutes.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 6, 2010 23:21:32 GMT -5
I wonder if the rebounding, which I noticed to be a problem later in the game, was adversely effected by Thompson being in the game over Vaughn. The rebounding is going to take a hit in a gimmick game like that, where MU essentially ceded the paint on offense. Some of those rebounds were long and 50/50 kinds of things that MU was quicker to haul in. They deserve credit, but I'm not sure Vaughn gives you anything on those that Thompson can't except maybe some instinct and chutzpah. Thompson and Vaughn both had 2 boards for the game.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 6, 2010 23:22:14 GMT -5
Also, nobody mentioned Benimon's gorgeous take to the hole off the dribble. Too bad he didn't finish.[/quote]
Incorrect.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 6, 2010 23:22:57 GMT -5
Theres more to a game than scoring. It may not have all show up on the stat sheet, but Thompson played just as well as Clark, Chris, Greg. Greg was a borderline liability in the post at times and Jason made a lot of dumb plays that cost us in the first half. And Chris was a non-factor offensively in the second. Hollis was one of the reasons our defense was a lot better late in the second half. The only player that played a really good game, imo, was Austin. And when only one player plays well on both sides of the ball, I don't know many teams that can win. Can't really agree. Hollis may not have been a liability, but I saw alot of tentative play. with a couple of contributions. We need more from our sixth man - those of the starters who had lesser contributions have done more in many games, butthe bench - including Hollis - has not. They need to step it up, to give us a spark, and not just some neutral minutes. Fine, but the my point was the starters didn't play any better. If they had we win the game. Instead of tenative play from the starters I saw some wreckless and sloppy play, and some more contributions which is probably worse. You can't expect the bench to bring it if the starters can't get it done. Thats not to say the starters overall played BAD, just that there was little to no difference when we brought someone in off the bench over anyone not named Austin Freeman,and Julian on offense But its just my opinion.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jan 6, 2010 23:25:08 GMT -5
30 minutes, 1/3 shooting, 2 points, 2 rebounds, 2 TOs, 4 fouls. That's terrible. Clearly worse than what the starters produced (which would be OK if it wasn't so much worse).
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Post by sleepy on Jan 6, 2010 23:28:31 GMT -5
30 minutes, 1/3 shooting, 2 points, 2 rebounds, 2 TOs, 4 fouls. That's terrible. Clearly worse than what the starters produced (which would be OK if it wasn't so much worse). Whose numbers are those? I have Hollis for 24 minutes 2 points, 2 fouls, 2 rebounds 1 turnover(which was one of those crazy off the ball fouls) and 1 for 2 shooting and a steal. Those numbers are pretty solid. And considering he made far less mistakes than what some of the starters did, it makes up for his lack of point production, atleast imo.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 6, 2010 23:30:11 GMT -5
I just hope Vaughn is not hurt too much. Wondering when someone would mention this. I wonder if Vaughn's ankle was the reason he did not play much down the stretch.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 6, 2010 23:30:56 GMT -5
its an upset b/c the guys that run this site, mainly dfw, are super negative. esp b/c everybody piled on his boy esherick What in God's name are you talking about? my post was really just posted to dfw. im still smarting over the bull Edited thread title after the daivdson loss MOD NOTE: If you have a problem with something that happened TWO YEARS AGO - take it to DFW yourself. Send him a PM. Don't pollute the board and this thread with crap like this. The leaps of fantasy people like you make are both baseless and absurd. Do not post it here again or it will be deleted. Clear?
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 6, 2010 23:31:43 GMT -5
This is the dumbest reasoning I've ever heard. Who gives a Edited what the lazy idiot editors at national sports websites are going to say? We should defer to inaccuracy created by lazy idiots just because those lazy idiots happen to have a national readership? How absurd. Wow, chill out dog - I wasn't arguing with anyone, I was just pointing out that since many various outlets and sources will call it an upset when a ranked team loses to an unranked team, it is silly to get ticked off because the same term is used in a post title. I just went to ESPN.com and got a good laugh when I saw the headline "Marquette Stuns Georgetown." Big Dog is not going to like that!
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Post by kghoya on Jan 6, 2010 23:31:50 GMT -5
its an upset b/c the guys that run this site, mainly dfw, are super negative. esp b/c everybody piled on his boy esherick Oh boy! Here we go again! Got any other conspiracy theories to spin for us (JFK was killed by the Mob/Castro/John Birch Society/Soviets; Roswell is the landing site for a new extraterrestrial civilization that's taking over from the old one at Machu Picchu; 9/11 was staged by the US/Israel/name any other country....) ? KG, spread your baseless, unfounded, delusional BS accusations elsewhere..... thanks for the advice
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 6, 2010 23:32:00 GMT -5
30 minutes, 1/3 shooting, 2 points, 2 rebounds, 2 TOs, 4 fouls. That's terrible. Clearly worse than what the starters produced (which would be OK if it wasn't so much worse). Whose numbers are those? I have Hollis for 24 minutes 2 points, 2 fouls, 2 rebounds 1 turnover(which was one of those crazy off the ball fouls) and 1 for 2 shooting and a steal. Those numbers are pretty solid. And considering he made far less mistakes than what some of the starters did, it makes up for his lack of point production, atleast imo. that's the whole bench. add Sims and Benimon to Thompson's tally. There's not much to add.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 6, 2010 23:32:53 GMT -5
Wow, chill out dog - I wasn't arguing with anyone, I was just pointing out that since many various outlets and sources will call it an upset when a ranked team loses to an unranked team, it is silly to get ticked off because the same term is used in a post title. I just went to ESPN.com and got a good laugh when I saw the headline "Marquette Stuns Georgetown." Big Dog is not going to like that! Exactly what I'd expect from the geniuses at ESPN.com. The people who run this board are far more intelligent.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jan 6, 2010 23:33:59 GMT -5
Whose numbers are those? I have Hollis for 24 minutes 2 points, 2 fouls, 2 rebounds 1 turnover(which was one of those crazy off the ball fouls) and 1 for 2 shooting and a steal. Those numbers are pretty solid. And considering he made far less mistakes than what some of the starters did, it makes up for his lack of point production, atleast imo. that's the whole bench. add Sims and Benimon to Thompson's tally. There's not much to add. Yea, sorry, I missed the steal. That's the one stat that approached average.
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 6, 2010 23:42:21 GMT -5
FLHoya and others--take a look at MU's shot chart for this game: www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gamecenter/shotchart/NCAAB_20100106_GTOWN@MARQETFrom what I can tell, Marquette had two points--TWO--in the paint the entire game. I think that's a credit to the defense. I agree in the first half there were too many open outside looks, but I think that really changed after halftime, and that if a couple of ridiculous late jumpers didn't go in, its a different game. I agree that the defense improved in the second half, and that Marquette hit some difficult shots in the latter stages. I don't think though that we are where we need to be defending perimeter shooters. As I pointed out, this isn't confined to this game. But for this game in particular, I tend to agree with JerseyHoya's point that MU was in effect ceding the paint--it was a perimeter based offense to the max. Need to be more solid on switches, not take the shot fakes, and not collapse the defense so much when the ball gets inside--whether in the post or off dribble penetration. Certainly got better on D in the second half, and that's encouraging. But something Buzz pointed out about Marquette's late game losses this season--it's not just those final possessions that matter, every possession contributes to the final score...just a matter of WHICH possessions you need to be better at. Like I said, definitely room for improvement and clear examples to learn from tonight. They improved from 1st to 2nd half tonight, so no reason that can't happen this game to next.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 6, 2010 23:44:10 GMT -5
What in God's name are you talking about? my post was really just posted to dfw. im still smarting over the bull Edited thread title after the daivdson loss MOD NOTE: If you have a problem with something that happened TWO YEARS AGO - take it to DFW yourself. Send him a PM. Don't pollute the board and this thread with crap like this. The leaps of fantasy people like you make are both baseless and absurd. Do not post it here again or it will be deleted. Clear?well it just seems that as georgetown fans we get crap from everybody else, why do we need such negativity from a board of fans? i mean its no affiliated with the university right? i wont bring it up again but its nice that its down now. go hoyas
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 6, 2010 23:44:18 GMT -5
I'm not even in this thread! (For the record, I posted the article on the front page and was watching the Colbert Report.)
If you have a problem, send me a message first.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 6, 2010 23:47:47 GMT -5
KGHoya: I changed the thread title to "Marquette upsets Georgetown Discussion" at the end of the game. DFW had nothing to do with it. Furthermore, how is that thread title negative?
Regardless of what BS people like you post about the moderators, we donate our time to this board and all three of us are alumni and strong supporters of the basketball program. None of us would do it if we didn't love the school and the basketball program. It's really offensive to have stuff completely made up about us.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 6, 2010 23:54:35 GMT -5
FIRST MARQUETTE IS GOOD AND CAN SHOOT THREES SECOND THEY FREQUENTLY OUTHUSTLED US THIRDLY WE STARTED OFF LAZY AND ASLEEP ON D AND OFFENCSE WITH TOO MANY EARLY LAZY TURNOVERS I THOUGHT LIKE SIX IN THE FIRST SIX OR SEVEN MINUTES BUT LAZY LIKE ODU.. OUR THREE DEFENSE WAS PRETTY AWFUL EXCEPT FOR WHEN WE GOT BACK IN THE GAME. AND CUBIAN WAS HOT AND THEY SHOT THREES. FELT WE DIDNOT GET THE BALL TO GREG IN THE SECOND HALF AND ALSO GREG WAS OUTHUSTLED PUT THE BALL ON THE FLOOR AT A CRITICAL TIME LATE IN THE GAME GOT BALL JUST OUT MUSCLED OR QUICKED FROM HIM A COUPLE OF TIMES.. saw this coming lets move on to uconn NEED to beat them at home.. go hoyas lets learn adn move on quette will win some big east games for sure the wars have begun NO easy games folks none nadda nope go hoyas if only chris hit the open layup on the inbounds if only jerrelle hit his if only wed been awake adn focused from the get go but didnot happen and tough d second half except for three d and game over.. MUST START STRONG AND CONTINUE IN ALL THESE BIG EAST GAMES FORTY MINUTES PLEASE HOYAS GET READY FOR UCONN..
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