Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 6, 2010 22:54:36 GMT -5
Vaughn made some nice cuts but he was lousy defensively and rebounded poorly. Then he didn't get many minutes down the stretch. Maybe he gets that key rebound after the missed 3 that let Hayward go to the line.
MU outrebounded us, which is disgraceful. Monroe had 10, but got no help.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Jan 6, 2010 22:55:15 GMT -5
its an upset b/c the guys that run this site, mainly dfw, are super negative. esp b/c everybody piled on his boy esherick Oh boy! Here we go again! Got any other conspiracy theories to spin for us (JFK was killed by the Mob/Castro/John Birch Society/Soviets; Roswell is the landing site for a new extraterrestrial civilization that's taking over from the old one at Machu Picchu; 9/11 was staged by the US/Israel/name any other country....) ? KG, spread your baseless, unfounded, delusional BS accusations elsewhere.....
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 6, 2010 22:55:33 GMT -5
Some solid things tonight, good games generally by the starting 5 - but if we can't get something, anything from our bench, we are a 9-9 team with maybe a win in the BET and the NCAA. And our defense against the 3 was almost non-existent. Our starting 5 did NOT play good. Austin did and Julian did when he was out there. Clark had a pretty iffy game if you ask me, even JTIII Monroe didn't play well, and Chris didn't shot in the second half and was almost invisible out there. Thompson played as well as over half our starting 5. I didn't say great games, but good games - and I think we got solid contributions from the starters. Sure, Greg could have done more, and JC had some problems - but Hollis played 24 minutes and scored 2 points, how can you possibly say only 2 guys played better than him??? We saw some nicks and dings on Chris and Julian tonight, if we can only get 2 points in 30 minutes from the subs we have big problems down the road.
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Big Dog
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 6, 2010 22:56:38 GMT -5
It's an upset because we're ranked and they're not - every national outlet will term it an upset. Let's not get chippy about something that silly. This is the dumbest reasoning I've ever heard. Who gives a what the lazy idiot editors at national sports websites are going to say? We should defer to inaccuracy created by lazy idiots just because those lazy idiots happen to have a national readership? How absurd.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 6, 2010 22:56:43 GMT -5
Marquette, despite their size, is actually a really good rebounding team. Hardly disgraceful, especially considering all the long rebounds they get.
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Post by Filo on Jan 6, 2010 22:57:16 GMT -5
It's an upset because we're ranked and they're not - every national outlet will term it an upset. Let's not get chippy about something that silly. Thanks you. Geez, people sure can be catty.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 6, 2010 22:57:59 GMT -5
its an upset b/c the guys that run this site, mainly dfw, are super negative. esp b/c everybody piled on his boy esherick Oh boy! Here we go again! Got any other conspiracy theories to spin for us (JFK was killed by the Mob/Castro/John Birch Society/Soviets; Roswell is the landing site for a new extraterrestrial civilization that's taking over from the old one at Machu Picchu; 9/11 was staged by the US/Israel/name any other country....) ? KG, spread your baseless, unfounded, delusional BS accusations elsewhere..... Obviously the conspiracy talk is bunk, but let's not give credence to idiocy by describing game results in terms of AP rankings as opposed to in terms that people who make a living setting odds think about a result.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 6, 2010 22:58:19 GMT -5
Please do not call this an upset. ... This was the fourth time the Hoyas have been here in MU's 5 years in the conference to only 2 MU visits to DC, and I'd argue that in every year except last season Georgetown was the better team. OK. Except you just did that yourself.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 6, 2010 23:00:19 GMT -5
Thanks you. Geez, people sure can be catty. Most of us did get a quality college education, right? Upset in this instance is defined as " to defeat unexpectedly." There was nothing unexpected about tonight's result, and therefore it is not an upset. This board more than just about any other place I know of is a slave to 100% accuracy. So let's be accurate.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 6, 2010 23:00:32 GMT -5
its an upset b/c the guys that run this site, mainly dfw, are super negative. esp b/c everybody piled on his boy esherick What in God's name are you talking about?
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Post by Boz on Jan 6, 2010 23:01:28 GMT -5
Upsets are about who is favored and who is not. That is the definition. Marquette was favored in this game. I would not call it an upset.
But that's about as much as I care about this issue. Call it what you want.
We could have and should have won. That's all that really matters to me. That and the fact that I think we'll win many more than we lose this year.
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Post by tinker89 on Jan 6, 2010 23:01:30 GMT -5
Like Big Dog, just home from the game. Tough one, but as others have said, and I'll be an eyewitness, MU's 3's were just ridiculous. Over and over, I thought, "can't go in, not from there/at that angle/again"--and yet they did. The law of averages was not on for us tonight. Normal percentage of 3's for MU, and we win.
Austin looked terrific, player of the game.
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 6, 2010 23:02:04 GMT -5
The "never shoot that well again" explanation is fine for a message board--fans are allowed to be a touch dismissive--but I tend to agree that improvement is in order in guarding against the outside shot. From my view, tonight the team showed similar weaknesses that have existed since the beginning. Among these: occasional trouble on defensive switches when the ball reverses, too much collapse on a drive/fake drive that allows for ball movement to an open shooter, and a zone that generally is too compact (the one thing I like about the Syracuse zone is that they can extend beyond the perimeter and recover). If it were truly raining miracle threes in Milwaukee tonight, I dunno what you'd take from the game to improve if you were the coaching staff. I think there's plenty to learn from though, so it's an opportunity. Now that long two near the end from--Buycks was it?--that was sick. The final few possessions were reasonable enough in their design, just didn't get some shots to fall for various reasons. In the last four or so: Greg got a touch in the post but turned it over (just a killer--Hayward had four fouls and was giving up 3+ inches...worst case scenario Greg gets the ball on the rim if he doesn't put it on the floor...d'oh!) Austin made a strong driving layup--which in that context is the right play to get to the rim since the defense is less likely to challenge the shot... ...but missed on a runner. Good enough defense played there, Austin did reasonable enough with the opportunity but it wasn't an easy shot. Timeout vs. No Timeout there--meh, we went with the player/play that was the most effective at that point...do we call the same thing anyway off a TO? Would love to see the alternate universe where we call a play inside for Greg, just for the heck of it. Wright missed the long three at the buzzer. We've run that same play at the end of a first half at Verizon. To be honest...surprised he got as good a look as he did, even from deep. Meh again, I'll live with it. One thing that interested me: it seemed like during the game Georgetown's offense went through different waves when a certain type of play was available. In the first half, the screen/roll game with Vaughn was effective. Wright had his run in the first half. Second half--for a while the three point shot was there from Freeman and Clark. Then at the end Freeman could get to the rim. So GU had about four-five different "waves" of offense...but I felt the lulls between them lasted too long and contained too many turnovers/false starts. Put another way--could have used a single good scoring run... ...but that's been coming from the defense this season.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 6, 2010 23:03:24 GMT -5
Please do not call this an upset. ... This was the fourth time the Hoyas have been here in MU's 5 years in the conference to only 2 MU visits to DC, and I'd argue that in every year except last season Georgetown was the better team. OK. Except you just did that yourself. This wasn't played on a neutral floor, so being the better team isn't the only factor that matters. As I said, there was clearly nothing unexpected about this, so it wasn't an upset. Don't be so stubborn, Dan, and call it what it was. A defeat. Why the need to editorialize it (incorrectly)? Clearly you aren't going to argue--especially where a road game is concerned--that being arguably the better team necessarily means that a loss is an "unexpected" result.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 6, 2010 23:04:34 GMT -5
Our starting 5 did NOT play good. Austin did and Julian did when he was out there. Clark had a pretty iffy game if you ask me, even JTIII Monroe didn't play well, and Chris didn't shot in the second half and was almost invisible out there. Thompson played as well as over half our starting 5. I didn't say great games, but good games - and I think we got solid contributions from the starters. Sure, Greg could have done more, and JC had some problems - but Hollis played 24 minutes and scored 2 points, how can you possibly say only 2 guys played better than him??? We saw some nicks and dings on Chris and Julian tonight, if we can only get 2 points in 30 minutes from the subs we have big problems down the road. Theres more to a game than scoring. It may not have all show up on the stat sheet, but Thompson played just as well as Clark, Chris, Greg. Greg was a borderline liability in the post at times and Jason made a lot of dumb plays that cost us in the first half. And Chris was a non-factor offensively in the second. Hollis was one of the reasons our defense was a lot better late in the second half. The only player that played a really good game, imo, was Austin. And when only one player plays well on both sides of the ball, I don't know many teams that can win.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 6, 2010 23:07:11 GMT -5
FLHoya and others--take a look at MU's shot chart for this game: www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gamecenter/shotchart/NCAAB_20100106_GTOWN@MARQETFrom what I can tell, Marquette had two points--TWO--in the paint the entire game. I think that's a credit to the defense. I agree in the first half there were too many open outside looks, but I think that really changed after halftime, and that if a couple of ridiculous late jumpers didn't go in, its a different game. All of that said, we could have made it easier on ourselves by not being outrebounded 38-28, including surrendering 10 offensive rebounds. MU took 9 more shots than we did. That's hard to make up. Also, the turnovers were too high--although I can't remember the last time I watched a game where there were 3 off-ball offensive fouls. That was just bizarre.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 6, 2010 23:07:13 GMT -5
Thread title changed because the other one was apparently too upsetting to some people and speaks of some imagined agenda on the part of the moderators.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 6, 2010 23:08:36 GMT -5
One other thing on the defense - we simply did not make their shooters work to get open even with the switching. We did not seem to tweak Cubillan off the ball at all or put pressure on the ball, which would force them out of their offense beyond the arc and force quick decisions.
Our defense seems to sag in almost as a matter of course when some of these league teams like SU can best be beaten with pressure on the lead guards. MU does not have what I would call a playmaker, but their 2-3 man sets on the perimeter generates opportunities that we simply gave them by forcing two people to switch men.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 6, 2010 23:09:57 GMT -5
It's an upset because we're ranked and they're not - every national outlet will term it an upset. Let's not get chippy about something that silly. This is the dumbest reasoning I've ever heard. Who gives a Edited what the lazy idiot editors at national sports websites are going to say? We should defer to inaccuracy created by lazy idiots just because those lazy idiots happen to have a national readership? How absurd. Wow, chill out dog - I wasn't arguing with anyone, I was just pointing out that since many various outlets and sources will call it an upset when a ranked team loses to an unranked team, it is silly to get ticked off because the same term is used in a post title.
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Post by Filo on Jan 6, 2010 23:12:14 GMT -5
Thanks you. Geez, people sure can be catty. Most of us did get a quality college education, right? Upset in this instance is defined as " to defeat unexpectedly." There was nothing unexpected about tonight's result, and therefore it is not an upset. This board more than just about any other place I know of is a slave to 100% accuracy. So let's be accurate. Well, the prediction thread was at least 90/10 expecting a GU win. So a lot of those posters, many of whom I assume received a quality education, will apparently think the Hoyas were upset. Just because you don't think it was an upset doesn't mean that others can't view it as such. And, FWIW, I don't really view it as an upset either. I just think its lame that someone actually made an issue of it in the first place. Meow.
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