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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 23, 2009 16:41:26 GMT -5
Keeping the church/state discussion out of the HCR thread... This morning's self-report on C-SPAN from a participant in a Tea [Party] cell in GA only affirmed my doubts about the religiosity of some Republicans. (Source: www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/22/caller-asks-gop-senator-i_n_401376.html)I know of no religion that supports these prayers, and it stands to reason that they have gone unanswered. The video itself is some snark-bait. |
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 23, 2009 17:37:32 GMT -5
So, can I just invoke the Boz Doctrine and end this thread (similar to how one can invoke Godwin's Law to end a thread)?
Can I get a ruling on that?
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Post by Boz on Dec 23, 2009 17:41:16 GMT -5
1. There is still nothing to support the supposition -- being made exclusively by the mean-spirited left* -- that a prayer was being made for illness or death. Again, the left refuses to acknowledge the context of the statement, made in the immediate aftermath of a blizzard, in which it might be possible (some might even call the storm a Godsend) for many Senators not to make a vote.
2. The caller identifies himself as a "teabag" member. I don't need to listen any more after that because it is clearly just an attempt to be snarky. There is not question whether the caller is sincere or not. He might as well been Rachel Maddow with a sore throat.
People can keep asserting this all they want. It is a meme being enjoyed exclusively by the left. No one else is buying.
*There is a subset of both the left and the right who only want to, well, be mean and nothing else. I hope we can all recognize that.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 23, 2009 19:17:38 GMT -5
Even taking the illness/death angle out of it, where does that leave us? Praying that a member can't represent his/her constituents? Praying that a member gets caught in a snow drift? Perhaps that isn't as bad, but I am not sure you're in a good spot with that one anyway. The left need not speculate about the prayer's context in favor of Senator Coburn when the context is itself ambiguous. It is his responsibility to conduct himself properly, and I think, at best, he's done a poor job of that with his prayer. None of these interpretations is in keeping with the Christian values that I thought an elected Republican would represent.
There is some suggestion from the left now that it was a hoax call. The prayer on the Senate floor, however, was not.
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 23, 2009 19:26:33 GMT -5
I'm sure I speak for all conservative Republicans in asking all to join us in that prayer.
Does that make you happy, Ambassador?
How can you argue the fact that one phone call, whatever its source, must represent "some" who oppose the Health Care "Reform"? Next time I'll call C-SPAN, identify myself as an atheist in the Democratic National Committee, and say we're all praying that all religious people get cancer.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 23, 2009 19:29:06 GMT -5
It boils down to how much is "some." Some have been a bit more measured, with lawmakers hosting "prayercasts" against HCR and to protect their wallets from taxes, whatever that is supposed to accomplish. Your points about extrapolation are using your words, not mine.
What is a bit startling, however, is that others have not been as outspoken as to Senator Coburn's prayer, which is the real issue. I've never been to a church where the congregation prayed for someone to be unable to do his/her job due to ill health, weather, or otherwise. Perhaps others have different experiences. Frankly, I would think criticizing Coburn here would be a no brainer - even, at best, he's praying for people to be unable to do their jobs.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 23, 2009 21:08:38 GMT -5
are you a fkn retard? seriously? you started a thread about a prank call and tried to cast it as serious? i think we need to invoke a prayer about you.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 23, 2009 22:25:31 GMT -5
The thread follows a discussion in the HCR thread and earlier comments about Senator Coburn's prayer. I certainly don't find it appropriate to use "retard" as you do even if the hoax reports turn out to be true, which, at this point, is not all that certain. I would suggest others would find it offensive too and have so in the past when it has been used similarly on this site.
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Post by The Stig on Dec 23, 2009 22:59:51 GMT -5
Here's the real question, beyond the issue of prank calls and prayers: Is belief in God a de facto prerequisite for being a Republican these days?
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Post by njhoya06 on Dec 24, 2009 0:22:44 GMT -5
Goodness I hope not. I'm about to get booted from the party.
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Post by Bando on Dec 24, 2009 1:26:18 GMT -5
Here's the real question, beyond the issue of prank calls and prayers: Is belief in God a de facto prerequisite for being a Republican these days? |
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Post by Cambridge on Dec 24, 2009 9:04:53 GMT -5
Even taking the illness/death angle out of it, where does that leave us? Praying that a member can't represent his/her constituents? Praying that a member gets caught in a snow drift? Perhaps that isn't as bad, but I am not sure you're in a good spot with that one anyway. The left need not speculate about the prayer's context in favor of Senator Coburn when the context is itself ambiguous. It is his responsibility to conduct himself properly, and I think, at best, he's done a poor job of that with his prayer. None of these interpretations is in keeping with the Christian values that I thought an elected Republican would represent. There is some suggestion from the left now that it was a hoax call. The prayer on the Senate floor, however, was not. I think there were similar prayers regarding electoral college members during Bush v Gore... |
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 24, 2009 9:11:58 GMT -5
The thread follows a discussion in the HCR thread and earlier comments about Senator Coburn's prayer. I certainly don't find it appropriate to use "retard" as you do even if the hoax reports turn out to be true, which, at this point, is not all that certain. I would suggest others would find it offensive too and have so in the past when it has been used similarly on this site. Interesting comment considering you had no trouble making a rape joke earlier |
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 24, 2009 13:07:37 GMT -5
Here's the real question, beyond the issue of prank calls and prayers: Is belief in God a de facto prerequisite for being a Republican these days? No. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 24, 2009 13:48:59 GMT -5
Even taking the illness/death angle out of it, where does that leave us? Praying that a member can't represent his/her constituents? Praying that a member gets caught in a snow drift? Perhaps that isn't as bad, but I am not sure you're in a good spot with that one anyway. The left need not speculate about the prayer's context in favor of Senator Coburn when the context is itself ambiguous. It is his responsibility to conduct himself properly, and I think, at best, he's done a poor job of that with his prayer. None of these interpretations is in keeping with the Christian values that I thought an elected Republican would represent. There is some suggestion from the left now that it was a hoax call. The prayer on the Senate floor, however, was not. I think there were similar prayers regarding electoral college members during Bush v Gore... Those were similarly inappropriate and went unanswered. I don't believe prayer should be used for partisan purposes but maybe others don't see it the same way. **** Other strange accusations in this thread do not merit a response. I would have received a PM flurry had an inappropriate joke been made, and Dan would have deleted it. Nonetheless, apologies if any sensibilities - unvoiced at the time - were offended. **** Anyway, happy holidays to all and wishing all safe/timely travels. |
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 24, 2009 14:57:45 GMT -5
I think there were similar prayers regarding electoral college members during Bush v Gore... Those were similarly inappropriate and went unanswered. I don't believe prayer should be used for partisan purposes but maybe others don't see it the same way. **** Other strange accusations in this thread do not merit a response. I would have received a PM flurry had an inappropriate joke been made, and Dan would have deleted it. Nonetheless, apologies if any sensibilities - unvoiced at the time - were offended. **** Anyway, happy holidays to all and wishing all safe/timely travels. If "don't drop the soap" comments aren't about prison rape, well, then you'll have to enlighten me as to what they mean. And I wasn't offended by your use of the term so much as the hypocrisy you exhibted by being offended by brasky's use of "retard" after making a prison rape joke. Unless you believe some prisoners deserve "more" punishment than just their jail time. |
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 24, 2009 15:34:13 GMT -5
When I think of Christmas eve, the first two things that come to mind are retards and prison rape.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 24, 2009 16:44:02 GMT -5
So, we've turned from calling this a "rape joke" to a "comment[]" and a misquoted one at that. It probably wasn't the best choice of words to make a characterization that could have been made in another way. Was it a joke? No, and I doubt too many folks read it as such. I think as a matter of fact that most high-profile prisoners would have the same concerns that were perhaps inartfully stated in a side comment my post (and maybe not a suitable topic for public discussion). Some have hired consultants to deal with this and related issues of adjustment to prison life. It comes, unfortunately, as a bit of an attack considering that I volunteer time to send books to inmates so they have opportunities for learning and enrichment beyond those provided by most prison libraries.
Nonetheless, I think most could do without the tortured claims (involving considerable guesswork and imagination) of hypocrisy on Christmas Eve of all days. This is my last comment on the subject/manufactured controversy because it deserves no more time over the holidays.
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