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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Dec 17, 2009 9:56:43 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 17, 2009 10:47:54 GMT -5
Thank you, Santa. Didn't think I was all that good this year but I'll take this gift nonetheless.
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Post by mit0313 on Dec 17, 2009 11:02:38 GMT -5
Any Bucs or Raiders fans out there that can give some insight into what to expect from Bruce? It seems like a decent move but I hestitate on dipping into the 'past' again.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 17, 2009 11:23:09 GMT -5
Damn! What will the DC area listen to at 8am on Friday mornings?
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 17, 2009 11:32:30 GMT -5
None of the accounts state whether or not Bruce Allen will be a full-fledged general manager, something Snyder never conferred on Cerrato. But, overall, a good move for the Skins.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 17, 2009 11:42:15 GMT -5
Does Allen fire Zorn and clean house? Sherm the bingo caller appears to have improved the offense.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 17, 2009 14:30:25 GMT -5
Stay Classy Vinny:
"I’ve had the pleasure of working with some great coaches such as Joe Gibbs, Greg Blache and Sherman Lewis," Cerrato said.
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 17, 2009 15:03:42 GMT -5
Stay Classy Vinny: "I’ve had the pleasure of working with some great coaches such as Joe Gibbs, Greg Blache and Sherman Lewis," Cerrato said. And Cerrato hired Jim Zorn. |
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 21, 2009 22:52:07 GMT -5
I can't ever remember seeing a more pathetic performance on an NFL field....ever.
Capped off by that "play" to close out the first half. It looked like something Spanky and Our Gang drew up.
Welcome to your new team Mr. Allen. Whatever they are paying you, it isn't enough.
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Post by Bando on Dec 22, 2009 0:18:20 GMT -5
One would think Allen is reconsidering. Go Giants!
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Dec 22, 2009 4:06:46 GMT -5
Obviously Saxa and Bando haven't seen much of the 'Skins this season, 'cause they've had more than a few funky efforts. They'd played better of late, but last night it seemed things have completely come apart. I'm sure Allen knew what he was taking on and is prepared to roll up his sleeves and get to work. Starting now gives him a jump start on next year.
For you Giants fans -- I wouldn't be so confident about the playoffs -- 9 and 7 may not be enough.
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 22, 2009 7:53:28 GMT -5
For you Giants fans -- I wouldn't be so confident about the playoffs -- 9 and 7 may not be enough. Good point AGH. Just makes the Skins performance even worse -- being so thoroughly and completely outplayed by a relatively mediocre Giant team! As the Giants have excellent ownership, a real GM and a Superbowl winning coach and QB, while the Skins have -- a non-PC name and an owner named Dan Snyder. |
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Post by Boz on Dec 22, 2009 9:36:09 GMT -5
I think Jim Zorn just threw in that play at the end of the half for laughs. He definitely had drinking buddies in the stands that put him up to that one.
What the hell does he care? He knows he's gone.
You will find somewhere better, Jim Zorn, where you can succeed. Not as a head coach, of course, but definitely as an assistant in some capacity. Bill Belichick wasn't always a mad genius either (and is not one anymore, apparently).
OK, he sucks, but I have a soft spot for Jim Zorn. Always loved him with the Seahawks.
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Post by Bando on Dec 22, 2009 12:16:30 GMT -5
I think Jim Zorn just threw in that play at the end of the half for laughs. He definitely had drinking buddies in the stands that put him up to that one. What the hell does he care? He knows he's gone. You will find somewhere better, Jim Zorn, where you can succeed. Not as a head coach, of course, but definitely as an assistant in some capacity. Bill Belichick wasn't always a mad genius either (and is not one anymore, apparently). OK, he sucks, but I have a soft spot for Jim Zorn. Always loved him with the Seahawks. Do you have any idea what the point of that play was supposed to be? I mean, all of those people couldn't have been eligible, right? And leaving your ballcarrier completely exposed doesn't sound like a good strategy. |
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 22, 2009 13:13:04 GMT -5
I think Jim Zorn just threw in that play at the end of the half for laughs. He definitely had drinking buddies in the stands that put him up to that one. What the hell does he care? He knows he's gone. You will find somewhere better, Jim Zorn, where you can succeed. Not as a head coach, of course, but definitely as an assistant in some capacity. Bill Belichick wasn't always a mad genius either (and is not one anymore, apparently). OK, he sucks, but I have a soft spot for Jim Zorn. Always loved him with the Seahawks. Do you have any idea what the point of that play was supposed to be? I mean, all of those people couldn't have been eligible, right? And leaving your ballcarrier completely exposed doesn't sound like a good strategy. We ran a play like that in high school. Only the play was better designed, wasn't a shift from a special teams formation and actually worked. But it had the same formation (well, the line only went to midfield, not the opposite hash mark), so I can kinda see the point. Maybe if I was drunk, it'd be easier. ;D |
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Post by hifigator on Dec 22, 2009 16:02:26 GMT -5
I think Jim Zorn just threw in that play at the end of the half for laughs. He definitely had drinking buddies in the stands that put him up to that one. What the hell does he care? He knows he's gone. You will find somewhere better, Jim Zorn, where you can succeed. Not as a head coach, of course, but definitely as an assistant in some capacity. Bill Belichick wasn't always a mad genius either (and is not one anymore, apparently). OK, he sucks, but I have a soft spot for Jim Zorn. Always loved him with the Seahawks. Do you have any idea what the point of that play was supposed to be? I mean, all of those people couldn't have been eligible, right? And leaving your ballcarrier completely exposed doesn't sound like a good strategy. It certainly looked like a variation of the "Emory and Henry," named after a school that ran a similar formation routinely. Spurrier employed the formation a handful of times here at Florida. The Skins did it a bit different though. In the "traditional" Emory and Henry, the Center a both guards stay in the middle with the tackle and each tight end splitting wide. Spurrier would keep one back in the back field and send the other out to one side or the other. To keep the formation legal, one wideout must be up on the line of scrimmage, outflanking a tightend. That makes that TE an ineligible receiver, but keeps the formation legal. But if done properly, you do have a bunch of options. What the skins did last night, looked like it was designed to make the Giants burn a timeout -- which it did. But after the TO, they went out and tried it again. While they did outman the Giants on that side of the ball, they were so disorganize, that the play was really destined for failure from the start. I thought it was almost a desparation play. I think they knew that a field goal, even while putting them on the board, was really a sign of waving the white flag. If the trick play had worked, then they probably would have gone for two. In an ideal world they could have cut the lead to 24-8 going into halftime. At that point, even a 24-6 defecit would have seen remotely manageable, but 24-3 probably wouldn't have. I don't really fault them for trying to make something happen, because what they were doing, clearly wasn't going to work. But I do think it was a clear sign of desparation from a team knowing it was essentially throwing in the towel if it didn't work. |
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Post by kchoya on Dec 22, 2009 18:18:09 GMT -5
I don't think timeouts were much of an issue considering there were 2 seconds left in the half.
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 22, 2009 19:35:09 GMT -5
This is the third time Zorn has tried a fake field goal. The first time the "kicker" Smith ran for a touchdown. The second time Smith threw a pass for a touchdown. The third time obviously did not work but two for three ain't bad. With the other two successes, I think it's over the top for anyone to criticize the play last night, as awful as it looked in execution. The know-it-alls in the booth last night should have acknowledged the previous successes - or did they not do their homework?
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Post by Bando on Dec 22, 2009 19:38:48 GMT -5
Looking into this a little more, this seems to be the ole swinging gate play, where all the linemen block for a wide receiver who gets a quick screen pass. For it to work, you need to catch the defense off guard. The problem here arose when the Giants called a timeout after the Skins first showed this formation. That should have aborted the trick play, as Coughlin now had time to tell his guys exactly what was going on. Instead, the Redskins tried it again, and predictably failed. It's either an exclamation point on Zorn's horrible coaching ability, or as Mike Wise thinks, his middle finger to management. |
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