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Post by vcjack on Dec 16, 2009 19:34:43 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 17, 2009 7:19:02 GMT -5
it was just a matter of time. at least he didn't hurt anyone else.
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Post by Boz on Dec 17, 2009 10:16:57 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaclap on Dec 17, 2009 11:16:14 GMT -5
it was just a matter of time. at least he didn't hurt anyone else. I think that's pretty inappropriate. While some of the finer details of Chris Henry's death have yet to be released, I don't think there's anything that indicated that his lifestyle (past or present) or personal actions warranted his death. From all indications this is a young man that has matured significantly in the past year or so, who seems to have died in an accident. In fact, I find you comment offensive. |
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Post by kchoya on Dec 17, 2009 11:21:33 GMT -5
it was just a matter of time. at least he didn't hurt anyone else. I think that's pretty inappropriate. While some of the finer details of Chris Henry's death have yet to be released, I don't think there's anything that indicated that his lifestyle (past or present) or personal actions warranted his death. From all indications this is a young man that has matured significantly in the past year or so, who seems to have died in an accident. In fact, I find you comment offensive. No one's saying the death was "warranted." Just that it's not as surprising as it normally would be given Henry's past. |
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Post by jgalt on Dec 17, 2009 11:22:10 GMT -5
it was just a matter of time. at least he didn't hurt anyone else. I think that's pretty inappropriate. While some of the finer details of Chris Henry's death have yet to be released, I don't think there's anything that indicated that his lifestyle (past or present) or personal actions warranted his death. From all indications this is a young man that has matured significantly in the past year or so, who seems to have died in an accident. In fact, I find you comment offensive. Just so its clear, hoyafanny made that comment before henry died. But it is kind of ridiculous and offensive considering that he was injured and died from injuries that were sustained from what sounds like an accident or at least not his direct fault and not from actions similar to those that he has gotten in trouble with in the past. Anyone, thug or priest alike could fall out of the back of a pick up, it says nothing about someones character. But if Hoyafanny is so clairvoyant as to be able to predict that Henry would die falling out of the back of a pick up, well id like to know who he thinks will win the super bowl, i could use some extra money. |
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Post by hoyaclap on Dec 17, 2009 11:47:50 GMT -5
I think that's pretty inappropriate. While some of the finer details of Chris Henry's death have yet to be released, I don't think there's anything that indicated that his lifestyle (past or present) or personal actions warranted his death. From all indications this is a young man that has matured significantly in the past year or so, who seems to have died in an accident. In fact, I find you comment offensive. No one's saying the death was "warranted." Just that it's not as surprising as it normally would be given Henry's past. I ditto jgalt's post. This may not be the most appropriate time for this discussion, but I'm interested in knowing what aspect of Chris Henry's past would have made his death under these circumstances less surprising. He didnt die from a fight at a night club. he died while visiting his future inlaws, planning a wedding, and by all accounts accidentally. |
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 17, 2009 12:20:47 GMT -5
With all due respect to jgalt and hoyaclap, this doesn't seem like an accident that would be very likely to happen to most people. Sure, its possible for anyone to fall out of a truck in some sort of freak accident I suppose, but most people would not put themselves in that position.
This is being reported as some sort of "domestic dispute" so while it may be unfair to speculate about this without all of the facts, it sounds likely that he was doing something stupid and clearly dangerous. If an altercation of some sort with his fiancee led to this I can't say its all that different than a lot of his past behavior, and for that reason, as sad as it is, I agree with HoyaFanNY that it was probably only a matter of time.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 17, 2009 12:22:47 GMT -5
I don't know if the accidental is completely clear yet. He had a fight with his fiancee, jumped in the back of the truck as she was leaving, fell out, and was left in the road, from what I can tell.
Yes, the whole thing might be something that could happen to the average person, and if it was accidental, his fiancee is going to feel a level of guilt I can't imagine. But it is a little weird, no?
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Post by Boz on Dec 17, 2009 12:27:20 GMT -5
Hang on a second here. This was not some peaceful wedding planning event. I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that.
The police reports indicate that this event began with a domestic dispute. OK, that's not exclusive to famous athletes, but I would say his history of being "a one-man crime wave" probably made him a higher risk for that type of thing than someone who hasn't been arrested on multiple occasions, including for assault.
Second, the guy jumped into a moving pickup truck as it was driving away, again, according to police reports. This is not normal behavior.
I am sure that Chris Henry was probably a very nice person to those who knew him. And I feel terrible for his fiancee and children. But I don't think it's out of bounds to speculate, based on the police reports, that Henry's previous reckless and illegal behavior may not have borne themselves out again in the incident which caused his death.
EDIT: SF beats me AGAIN!! Damn you, sir! Damn your eyes!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 17, 2009 12:33:13 GMT -5
Hang on a second here. This was not some peaceful wedding planning event. I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that. The police reports indicate that this event began with a domestic dispute. OK, that's not exclusive to famous athletes, but I would say his history of being "a one-man crime wave" probably made him a higher risk for that type of thing than someone who hasn't been arrested on multiple occasions, including for assault. Second, the guy jumped into a moving pickup truck as it was driving away, again, according to police reports. This is not normal behavior. I am sure that Chris Henry was probably a very nice person to those who knew him. And I feel terrible for his fiancee and children. But I don't think it's out of bounds to speculate, based on the police reports, that Henry's previous reckless and illegal behavior may not have borne themselves out again in the incident which caused his death. EDIT: SF beats me AGAIN!! Damn you, sir! Damn your eyes! If it is any consolation, your post is better. But I doubt it is. |
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 17, 2009 13:47:32 GMT -5
it was just a matter of time. at least he didn't hurt anyone else. I think that's pretty inappropriate. While some of the finer details of Chris Henry's death have yet to be released, I don't think there's anything that indicated that his lifestyle (past or present) or personal actions warranted his death. From all indications this is a young man that has matured significantly in the past year or so, who seems to have died in an accident. In fact, I find you comment offensive. henry was a POS that was either going to end up dead or in jail. it's not an accident when he's chasing down his fiance' and is insane enough to jump into a moving truck. god knows what he would have done to her if he finally got his hands on her. |
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Post by hoyaclap on Dec 17, 2009 13:57:49 GMT -5
I don't know if the accidental is completely clear yet. He had a fight with his fiancee, jumped in the back of the truck as she was leaving, fell out, and was left in the road, from what I can tell. Yes, the whole thing might be something that could happen to the average person, and if it was accidental, his fiancee is going to feel a level of guilt I can't imagine. But it is a little weird, no? I guess at this point it's semantics. riding on the back of a pickup truck is reckless and dangerous, and climbing onto a moving pickup truck is more reckless and dangerous. So if the discussion is, "Chris Henry died while acting recklessly and dangerously" then I agree. However, my position remains that regardless of Chris Henry's troubles with the law in the past, that his death in this fashion is more likely, or expected. Would we be saying the same thing about other individuals who have documented incidences of recklessness? Adrian Peterson was recently clocked for driving over 100 mph on the highway. Tyler Hansborough jumped out of a second floor balcony into an (above ground) pool. These may be one time incidents, but if either of them died in the way Chris Henry did, I don't think we'd ever see a message on this board saying "it was just a matter of time." Especially considering that by most indications, Chris Henry had been turning his life around recently. Its just a crass and cynical way to look at people, imo. |
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Dec 17, 2009 14:40:55 GMT -5
comparing this to AP and hansbrough is idiotic. henry was involved in a domestic dispute. he was chasing his fiance', jumping into the back of a moving pickup with no shirt on, beating the back window with his cast before he was tossed to the pavement. how on earth does this sound like a guy that was 'turning his life around'? do you think he was just going to give her a hug and a kiss when he eventually got his hands on her?
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Post by GUHoya07 on Dec 17, 2009 15:23:29 GMT -5
comparing this to AP and hansbrough is idiotic. henry was involved in a domestic dispute. he was chasing his fiance', jumping into the back of a moving pickup with no shirt on, beating the back window with his cast before he was tossed to the pavement. how on earth does this sound like a guy that was 'turning his life around'? do you think he was just going to give her a hug and a kiss when he eventually got his hands on her? Agreed. AP and Hansbrough were just doing what a lot of young people do, living life somewhat dangerously, but nothing that makes me think they're unstable or insane. Chris Henry exhibited repeated signs of reckless behavior that was not only a serious danger to himself, but those around him. From all indications he had some serious issues and an extreme lack of self control and understanding of social norms. Its really not fair to AP or Hansbrough to compare them to this guy. |
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Post by Boz on Dec 17, 2009 15:29:13 GMT -5
comparing this to AP and hansbrough is idiotic. henry was involved in a domestic dispute. he was chasing his fiance', jumping into the back of a moving pickup with no shirt on, beating the back window with his cast before he was tossed to the pavement. how on earth does this sound like a guy that was 'turning his life around'? do you think he was just going to give her a hug and a kiss when he eventually got his hands on her? Oh yeah. I forgot that he had a broken arm while all this was going on too. (not that the broken arm was a result of anything other than his profession, just that it makes the whole incident all the more surreal) |
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Post by 757hoyafan on Dec 17, 2009 16:04:22 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaclap on Dec 17, 2009 18:18:08 GMT -5
comparisons to TH or AP may be misguided. And I may be tilting at windmills to ask for a little more civility or respect in light of th man's death. I guess we can agree to disagree about his propensity for recklessness and whether it led to his death.
But I think we can all agree...Chris Henry was a young man who was made a lot of mistakes throughout his life, for some of which he faced repercussions. Unlike many, he received a number of chances for redemption; people who knew him have widely noted that he seemed to have begun to take advantage of those opportunities. There is no one to blame for his death but possibly himself, but his loved ones will be the ones to carry on the pain.
Some may simply regard him as a "POS" but it seems few people who know him would agree. What we do know is that he was a father who leaves behind three young children, and what I can only imagine as a completely devastated fiancee. RIP
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Post by jgalt on Dec 17, 2009 21:29:07 GMT -5
The only thing i was saying is that there is no direct connection between the way he died and his past actions. Yes being in the back of a moving pick up is terribly stupid, but i know two people who are very close to me that have been in the back of pick up and fallen out/had it roll over. are they stupid for doing it? Hell yes, but they arent "one man crime sprees." Doing stupid things is not unique to criminals.
Additionally, not everything has out yet about the incident. What if the pick up was going only 10 mph and hit a pot whole and that is how he got flung out? Or maybe it was going 50 because he was trying to kill his fiance. but none of us know that yet. A MAN DIED. I am not a religious person, but many of you are and i believe a central teaching of christianity is to hold ALL life sacred and to forgive. Henry was in the process of doing something good. A great many men in his situation (athlete, rich, young, black) dont take the time to raise a family or marry, but he was.
If it comes out that he was trying to kill his fiance, then fine, ill eat my words; but, for now, i dont think it is appropriate to jump all over a guy, even if he was a thug in his past.
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