rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Sept 25, 2009 10:09:16 GMT -5
A new slobbering Parade/USA Weekend-esque profile of the First Couple debuted this weekend, Barack and Michele: A Portrait of a Marriage. www.amazon.com/dp/0061771961If you see it in a bookstore this weekend, you might flip through pages 163-166, which deal with a particularly difficult time in the young couple's life. Apparently Barack had accepted a large advance to write a book, but had absolutely no ability to do so. Fortunately for them, one of their neighbors was an extremely accomplished writer in addition to being an unrepentent terrorist, and Mr. Ayers was nice enough to write "Dreams of My Father" for Barack, and thus resolving the crisis. As we all know, the "memoir" went on to the NYT best seller list and established the nominal author as a serious intellectual worthy of leading this great nation. And they all lived happily ever after.... |
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Post by Elvado on Sept 25, 2009 11:06:54 GMT -5
A new slobbering Parade/USA Weekend-esque profile of the First Couple debuted this weekend, Barack and Michele: A Portrait of a Marriage. www.amazon.com/dp/0061771961If you see it in a bookstore this weekend, you might flip through pages 163-166, which deal with a particularly difficult time in the young couple's life. Apparently Barack had accepted a large advance to write a book, but had absolutely no ability to do so. Fortunately for them, one of their neighbors was an extremely accomplished writer in addition to being an unrepentent terrorist, and Mr. Ayers was nice enough to write "Dreams of My Father" for Barack, and thus resolving the crisis. As we all know, the "memoir" went on to the NYT best seller list and established the nominal author as a serious intellectual worthy of leading this great nation. And they all lived happily ever after.... Racist bigot. How dare you question the credentials or veracity of Mr. Obama? Those who do not swoon in supplication are bigots. |
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Post by CAHoya07 on Sept 25, 2009 11:22:51 GMT -5
That's quite an accusation to throw out there, but I have no way to read those pages because I do not have the book in front of me.
Nor do I really care. Far more important things going on. If you disagree with Obama's policies, please do so and explain why. However, bringing up something like this just seems petty.
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 25, 2009 11:25:42 GMT -5
A new slobbering Parade/USA Weekend-esque profile of the First Couple debuted this weekend, Barack and Michele: A Portrait of a Marriage. www.amazon.com/dp/0061771961If you see it in a bookstore this weekend, you might flip through pages 163-166, which deal with a particularly difficult time in the young couple's life. Apparently Barack had accepted a large advance to write a book, but had absolutely no ability to do so. Fortunately for them, one of their neighbors was an extremely accomplished writer in addition to being an unrepentent terrorist, and Mr. Ayers was nice enough to write "Dreams of My Father" for Barack, and thus resolving the crisis. As we all know, the "memoir" went on to the NYT best seller list and established the nominal author as a serious intellectual worthy of leading this great nation. And they all lived happily ever after.... Should I even ask for any kind of source or authority, or should I just assume you don't have one? I know for a fact that the majority of major book releases (Cheney's, Palin's, Clinton's (both), Reagan, etc., etc.) ALL have ghost writers. Is it possible that Ayers referred Obama to the ghost writer that Ayers used? Considering the complete lack of verifiable sourcing on this, I'm going to say, "Sure, it's possible." And add that it's also possible that this is just flatly untrue. It's also possible that it is true. But I'd hope for a little more than Christopher Andersen's word on it. |
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Post by Elvado on Sept 25, 2009 11:29:04 GMT -5
That's quite an accusation to throw out there, but I have no way to read those pages because I do not have the book in front of me. Nor do I really care. Far more important things going on. If you disagree with Obama's policies, please do so and explain why. However, bringing up something like this just seems petty. I would hazard a guess that there are many Americans who might be troubled to know this after Obama minimized his relationship with Ayers as "just a guy from the neighborhood." If this is true (and I don't know) Obama either has a very poor memory or flat out lied. More troubling, is it possible that our President's world-view is informed by the views of this domestic terrorist to the point that he ghost writes for Mr. Obama"? |
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Post by TC on Sept 25, 2009 11:31:52 GMT -5
Wow, that's shocking news, what's the source for this?
What's that you say? The author cites no source?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 25, 2009 11:32:34 GMT -5
This has all of the earmarks of a right wing smear. It is very hard to prove but even harder to prove wrong since the people allegedly involved have very little incentive to say anything. You say something, and it makes the allegation look serious. You say nothing, and the right wing will assume the worst. One could make up virtually anything in this way and make it so ridiculous that nobody, save an extremist, would dare give it the time of day. See the "black baby" story from the 2000 Republican primary in South Carolina as another example.
Perhaps if someone contacted Orly Taitz, the truth would emerge.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 25, 2009 11:34:11 GMT -5
This has all of the earmarks of a right wing smear. It is very hard to prove but even harder to prove wrong since the people allegedly involved have very little incentive to say anything. You say something, and it makes the allegation look serious. You say nothing, and the right wing will assume the worst. Perhaps if someone contacted Orly Taitz, the truth would emerge. I remain willing to assume this is UNTRUE. Now for my friends on the left: If it is true are you troubled? |
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Post by nychoya3 on Sept 25, 2009 11:38:57 GMT -5
I knew it! Obama pursued the editorship of the Harvard Law Review in order to conceal his shameful illiteracy.
Jeebus.
I have a question. Is Obama very very smart but evil, or very very stupid and evil? I feel like you should have to pick one.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 25, 2009 11:40:14 GMT -5
I knew it! Obama pursued the editorship of the Harvard Law Review in order to conceal his shameful illiteracy. Jeebus. I have a question. Is Obama very very smart but evil, or very very stupid and evil? I feel like you should have to pick one. and your answer to my question is... |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 25, 2009 11:41:43 GMT -5
I knew it! Obama pursued the editorship of the Harvard Law Review in order to conceal his shameful illiteracy. Jeebus. I have a question. Is Obama very very smart but evil, or very very stupid and evil? I feel like you should have to pick one. and your answer to my question is... Lighten up Francis |
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Post by TC on Sept 25, 2009 11:45:17 GMT -5
and your answer to my question is... Lighten up Francis Well played! |
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Post by Elvado on Sept 25, 2009 11:47:21 GMT -5
Nicely done.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Sept 25, 2009 11:54:27 GMT -5
The book is a puff-piece written with the cooperation of the subjects; it's designed for the Oprah audience. There's no way the author intended his treatment of this episode in their lives to be an attack or a smear on the First Couple.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Sept 25, 2009 11:59:51 GMT -5
I have a question. Is Obama very very smart but evil, or very very stupid and evil? I feel like you should have to pick one. Well at least this time around we know it's not the brilliantly evil Vice President secretly pulling the puppet's strings. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 25, 2009 12:20:20 GMT -5
The book is a puff-piece written with the cooperation of the subjects; it's designed for the Oprah audience. There's no way the author intended his treatment of this episode in their lives to be an attack or a smear on the First Couple. It is deeply troubling when this kind of accusation can be made unintentionally. Most learned people realize its implications - not only as to the memoir but as to President Obama's other pre-presidency accomplishments. Surely the HLR board, had they known, would never have entrusted their publication to an illiterate. Has there been any other coverage of this, or does HoyaTalk stand with FreeRepublic as the only sites on the Internet that have debated this? |
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Post by Boz on Sept 25, 2009 12:22:56 GMT -5
That's quite an accusation to throw out there, but I have no way to read those pages because I do not have the book in front of me. Nor do I really care. Far more important things going on. If you disagree with Obama's policies, please do so and explain why. However, bringing up something like this just seems petty. May I refer your comment to Chris Matthews? This would be the Chris Matthews who, when news of Sarah Palin's upcoming book came out, mentioned it on his show every day for a week, but qualified each mention with, "Well, she's not really going to write it. She's going to have a ghostwriter." I am trying to figure out the reason Matthews felt like he had to say this, not once but several times, and yet strangely never once mentioned how ghostwriters were almost certainly used for every book written by Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Al Gore Barack Obama...and hell, maybe even Chris Matthews himself. I agree with you that there are far more important things going on. If true however (and I disagree with Ambassador's claim that this is difficult to prove false), and I will take a lot more convincing than just this one mention, then yes, that's pretty troubling, if only for the blatant lie about their relationship if not for any other reason. But for now, I will do as you have said and try to focus on this board on Obama's policies with which I disagree and why. Maybe I'll start with Gitmo, which I predicted to be the debacle the Washington Post is reporting that it is turning out to be. |
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 25, 2009 13:05:03 GMT -5
Barrack talk pretty one day.
Come on. This makes no sense. He's the only illiterate law review editor I know - and he could pick anyone to ghost write the book so he picked a former domestic terrorist to do it?
It's fun to play "If this is true ..." and pretend that the President should have to swat down every rumor about him so that he can be worthy of his office in your eyes, but at some point I think you need to figure that the no response shows that the White House believes that responding to these rumors are below the office of the President. It'd be entirely another thing if the White House pushed back hard on the story - then I'd think it had some legs.
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Post by Bando on Sept 25, 2009 15:20:56 GMT -5
I mean, this makes no sense. If Obama were really an illiterate buffoon, why of all people would he turn to Bill Ayers as opposed to, I don't know, a professional ghostwriter? I'm not even going to go into the implications of "dumb black guy needs a white guy to write his book for him".
This is an old smear from the campaign, anyway. Next rossyln will be telling us that Malcolm X is Obama's father, or that he has seen the "whitey" tape.
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Post by Boz on Sept 25, 2009 15:42:09 GMT -5
Hang on a second. Where does it say anywhere that Barack Obama is "illiterate?"
I can tell you, as someone who writes for a living, there is a GIGANTIC difference between saying someone is "illiterate" and claiming "someone has no clue how to write a book." I write every day of my life (usually in a more coherent fashion than I do on this board), and I'd have a pretty hard time writing a book. I've only really pulled it off successfully once, and that was just more or less a "how-to" book for small businesses.
Believe me, not being able to write a book is not something limited to those who can't read. I've worked with otherwise genius level professionals who couldn't write their way out of a paper bag.
Take the rest of this claim for what you will, but I think that distinction needs to be made clear.
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