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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 2, 2009 16:35:27 GMT -5
I think that's kind of the point kc; suspending him half a game, where his absence would have no impact on the outcome, isn't much of a punishment.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 2, 2009 16:52:26 GMT -5
I think that's kind of the point kc; suspending him half a game, where his absence would have no impact on the outcome, isn't much of a punishment. I agree with you. I disagree with the assertion that playing him put winning over discipline, as was implied above.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 2, 2009 17:01:37 GMT -5
Fair point. Last year, when Vandy was "good," Florida scored 28 in the first quarter. So Meyer could probably bench his whole team for a half and still win easily. I guess the argument there is more putting "not discipline" over discipline.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 2, 2009 17:21:43 GMT -5
In all honesty, what was the "right" discipline for a football player losing his cool and for all of just under 3 seconds, gouging a player on the other team -- or at least trying to?
I honestly think that too much was made of that, but I understand that as one who is often critical of other teams' slap on the wrist philosophy, I am under special scrutiny. I also understand that to someone who never played football, Spikes gouging might have looked especially heinuous. That being said, what do you think was the "right" discipline?
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 2, 2009 18:56:01 GMT -5
I think the full game suspension he got was fine, but would have been better if that was what they hit him with right away. I honestly don't care that much; just giving you a hard time. Going a little overboard in a pile is nothing compared to committing crimes in the real world.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 4, 2009 15:46:37 GMT -5
Week 14 Picks for Games That Matter:
Ohio upsets Central Michigan in the MAC Championship Game ECU upsets Houston in the C-USA Championship Game Pitt upsets Cincinnati in the River City Rivalry for the Paddlewheel Trophy and the Big East Title Florida squeaks by Alabama on a last-second FG from Sturgis in the SEC Championship Game Florida Atlantic over Florida International in the Shula Bowl for the Don Shula Trophy Georgia Tech over Clemson in the ACC Championship Game Texas over Nebraska in the Big 12 Championship Game ('Huskers slow the Longhorn offense, but the Texas defense comes through)
Congratulations to Oregon, which defeated Oregon State in the Civil War, 37-33, to clinch the Ducks' first Rose Bowl berth since 1995. Somewhere, Joey Harrington is playing jazz piano and smiling.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 4, 2009 15:49:41 GMT -5
Isn't it pathetic that ND appears to be set on turning down a bowl invitation? That's a disgrace.
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Post by kchoya on Dec 4, 2009 16:15:20 GMT -5
Isn't it pathetic that ND appears to be set on turning down a bowl invitation? That's a disgrace. I agree. If they don't go to the Poinsettia Bowl, how can they hang the banner in the bathroom next year?
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Post by hifigator on Dec 4, 2009 16:21:09 GMT -5
I think they are only considering skipping a bowl, because they don't want to have a losing season. 6-6 is "much" better than 6-7, right?
I agree. If they don't go to the Poinsettia Bowl, how can they hang the banner in the bathroom next year?
P.S. I remember a couple of years back, FSU played in the Emerald Nuts Bowl in San Francisco. There were some absolutely hilarious pictures of Bowden and his players touring Alcatraz. Priceless!
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 4, 2009 21:34:53 GMT -5
Every story I read at this point seems to be treating the BCS teams as locked up, with the at large teams being the Florida/Alabama loser, Iowa and Boise St. But what if Austin is correct and Pitt beats Cincy? Doesn't Cincy have a way better argument for being invited to a BCS bowl than Iowa, and perhaps even than Boise?
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Post by Elvado on Dec 5, 2009 12:30:40 GMT -5
I think they are only considering skipping a bowl, because they don't want to have a losing season. 6-6 is "much" better than 6-7, right? I agree. If they don't go to the Poinsettia Bowl, how can they hang the banner in the bathroom next year?P.S. I remember a couple of years back, FSU played in the Emerald Nuts Bowl in San Francisco. There were some absolutely hilarious pictures of Bowden and his players touring Alcatraz. Priceless! Also eliminates the need to name a coach.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 5, 2009 13:40:31 GMT -5
Elvado wrote:
Also eliminates the need to name a coach.
I only wish it would "eliminate" it. Unfortunately, it only delays it. On the flip side, at least that's an improvement over the alternative.
Rooter wrote:
Every story I read at this point seems to be treating the BCS teams as locked up, with the at large teams being the Florida/Alabama loser, Iowa and Boise St. But what if Austin is correct and Pitt beats Cincy? Doesn't Cincy have a way better argument for being invited to a BCS bowl than Iowa, and perhaps even than Boise?
I agree with you. I think Cincy has a very tough task in Pitt at their place in this miserable weather. That being said, if they should comeback and win ... and if ... BIG IF ... but if Nebraska should knock off Texas, then I think Cincy will be in Pasadena (against the Gators I certainly hope). That's quite a big drop off isn't it -- from the BCS title game to, at least potentially, something like the Meineke Bowl? It certainly isn't fair.
Lastly, I think you inadvertantly left off TCU. Everything I have seen, has them listed as a virtual lock for the BCS bowl grouping. Boise is maybe the one on the outside looking in, should it work out like that.
Lastly, remember there are 3 major forces at work. One, obviously, is the most "attractive" game for viewership. Secondly, and probably the most important of the bunch, is travel. Lastly, ticket sales are certainly a concern, but this is often confused with travel. The real financial impact to the bowl host city, isn't the ticket sales as much as the secondary revenues -- hotels, restaurants, entertainment etc... TCU can't fill up their own stadium most of the time. Boise St. packs their stadium, albeit a relatively small one. But how much they will travel is certainly a concern. However, teams like Iowa and Penn. St. travel very well, and will be a huge boon to whatever local economy they go to. In all seriousness, we played Penn. St. in the Capital One/Citrus Bowl about 10 years or so back, and that ticket was incredibly hard. It was an essentially irrelevant game, but tickets were damn near impossible.
Just my thoughts ...
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 5, 2009 15:39:30 GMT -5
That Cinci-Pitt game was fun to watch. Great comeback by the Cats.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 5, 2009 15:49:57 GMT -5
The GameTracker told me that Pitt went for 2. Was that the case, or was it something like a botched snap on a PAT? I can understand/appreciate being aggressive, but with a BCS bowl on the line...take your chances with a coin flip.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Dec 5, 2009 15:52:55 GMT -5
The GameTracker told me that Pitt went for 2. Was that the case, or was it something like a botched snap on a PAT? I can understand/appreciate being aggressive, but with a BCS bowl on the line...take your chances with a coin flip. snap was fine, the holder screwed it up and then tried to run with it. great game...
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 5, 2009 16:07:26 GMT -5
The GameTracker told me that Pitt went for 2. Was that the case, or was it something like a botched snap on a PAT? I can understand/appreciate being aggressive, but with a BCS bowl on the line...take your chances with a coin flip. snap was fine, the holder screwed it up and then tried to run with it. great game... Thanks - makes perfect sense. I imagine it was a great game and would have watched but for a cable outage.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 5, 2009 16:33:05 GMT -5
Every story I read at this point seems to be treating the BCS teams as locked up, with the at large teams being the Florida/Alabama loser, Iowa and Boise St. But what if Austin is correct and Pitt beats Cincy? Doesn't Cincy have a way better argument for being invited to a BCS bowl than Iowa, and perhaps even than Boise? TCU is guaranteed a spot and, in my opinion, should get the spot against the SEC champ if Texas loses.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 5, 2009 18:57:34 GMT -5
Nice job by Cincy to put themselves in a position to win, but the Bearcats need to thank the Wannstache for playing Tressel-ball in the 2nd half and the Pitt holder for an epic choke.
'Bama playing great ball on both sides of the football in the 2nd half. Not looking forward to Texas possibly playing either SEC team.
Also not liking all the Heisman hype for McCoy heading into tonight. Colt played tight in the early part of the season partly b/c of high/unrealistic expectations.
And 'Bama scores again, running all over Gator defenders on a statement drive to begin the fourth. Enjoy your trip to Phoenix/Miami/NOLA, hifi.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 5, 2009 19:18:06 GMT -5
Florida was the better matchup for Texas, I think. My sense throughout the season has been that UT could probably corral Tebow's up the middle running game so that the field would not open up as much for the Gators. It would have been a close contest given UT's limited or inconsistent running game.
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Post by Boz on Dec 5, 2009 19:47:19 GMT -5
Mark Ingram is good at football.
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