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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 17, 2009 23:08:52 GMT -5
Week 12 Picks for Games That Matter:
tOSU over Michigan Iowa over Minnesota for Floyd of Rosedale Iowa State upsets Mizzou for the Telephone Trophy Air Force over BYU Purdue over Indiana for the Old Oaken Bucket Penn State over Michigan State for the Land Grant Trophy Ole Miss over LSU in the Magnolia Bowl TAMU over Baylor in the Battle of the Brazos Clemson over U. Va. to clinch an ACC title game slot Louisiana-Lafayette over Louisiana-Monroe Tennessee over Vanderbilt Stanford over Cal in the Big Game for the Stanford Axe Kansas State shocks Nebraska in Lincoln to clinch the Big 12 North Oregon over Arizona (hope I'm wrong)
Harvard over Yale in The Game William and Mary upsets Richmond in the South's Oldest Rivalry for the I-64 Trophy Capital Cup Maine over UNH for the Brice-Cowell Musket Lafayette over Lehigh in The Rivalry Princeton over Dartmouth for the Sawhorse Dollar Penn over Cornell for the Trustees' Cup Bethune-Cookman over FAMU in the Florida Classic Furman over Wofford Stephen F. Austin over Northwestern State for Chief Caddo
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Post by TigerHoya on Nov 18, 2009 11:02:53 GMT -5
Austin, What do you think of NC-BC?
If NC wins that game, Clemson doesn't even have to beat VA to clinch.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 18, 2009 11:28:18 GMT -5
Week 12 Picks for Games That Matter: tOSU over Michigan Iowa over Minnesota for Floyd of Rosedale Iowa State upsets Mizzou for the Telephone Trophy Air Force over BYU Purdue over Indiana for the Old Oaken Bucket Penn State over Michigan State for the Land Grant Trophy Ole Miss over LSU in the Magnolia Bowl TAMU over Baylor in the Battle of the Brazos Clemson over U. Va. to clinch an ACC title game slot Louisiana-Lafayette over Louisiana-Monroe Tennessee over Vanderbilt Stanford over Cal in the Big Game for the Stanford Axe Kansas State shocks Nebraska in Lincoln to clinch the Big 12 North Oregon over Arizona (hope I'm wrong) Harvard over Yale in The Game William and Mary upsets Richmond in the South's Oldest Rivalry for the I-64 Trophy Capital Cup Maine over UNH for the Brice-Cowell Musket Lafayette over Lehigh in The Rivalry Princeton over Dartmouth for the Sawhorse Dollar Penn over Cornell for the Trustees' Cup Bethune-Cookman over FAMU in the Florida Classic Furman over Wofford Stephen F. Austin over Northwestern State for Chief Caddo I don't think any of those games "matter," except Clemson-Va, Oregon-Arizona and K. St- Nebraska. And those aren't exactly scintilating games either. By the way, Furman-Wofford? I went to Furman for a year, and I don't think that "matters."
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Post by TigerHoya on Nov 18, 2009 12:07:14 GMT -5
I think he's trying to list the rivalry games too Hi-Fi. If you went to Furman and didn't realize Wofford "matters" you didn't pick up much at Furman.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Nov 18, 2009 13:34:36 GMT -5
I think by now it's pretty clear that major rivalry games, especially those which have nicknames and/or trophies, are always on Austin's list. HiFi has repeatedly questioned these evaluations, especially when Notre Dame is involved.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 18, 2009 14:10:01 GMT -5
I think by now it's pretty clear that major rivalry games, especially those which have nicknames and/or trophies, are always on Austin's list. HiFi has repeatedly questioned these evaluations, especially when Notre Dame is involved. Which of these are really rivalries versus regional matchups? Here are my top 10: Army-Navy Harvard-Yale Ohio State-Michigan Cal-Stanford UCLA-USC Alabama-Auburn Texas-Texas A&M Georgia-Georgia Tech Southern-Grambling St. South Carolina-Clemson Honorable Mention goes to DePauw-Wabash for the Monon Bell. In 116 years, one win separates the two schools and students have gone to great lengths to steal the bell when it is held by the opposing schools. That's a rivalry. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monon_Bell
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Post by TigerHoya on Nov 18, 2009 14:14:00 GMT -5
DFW, Using DePauw-Wabash as the standard, Clemson-SC isn't a rivalry.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 18, 2009 14:35:17 GMT -5
I think he's trying to list the rivalry games too Hi-Fi. If you went to Furman and didn't realize Wofford "matters" you didn't pick up much at Furman. I know it matters to the participants, but come one ... how many of "us" does that include? That's all I was saying. And personally, those stupid trinkets that get passed back and forth are just silly for the most part. The only one that I really got a kick out of was the Freemont Cannon. The story goes that back in the 1800's, an explorer named John Freemont was leading an expedition in the mountains in Nevada and had to abandon a cannon that was trapped in a snow slide. It was later recovered and restored and is in a museum. But they had a replica made that UNLV and Nevada (formerly Nevada-Reno) play for each year. At some point, after several years of futility, UNLV won regaining the cannon. In celebrating however, they damaged the cannon and had to have it restored. In taking it appart, they noticed that there were inscriptions inside the barrel, one of which was "University of Notta Lotta Victories," an obvious barb lofted at UNLV from when Nevada had custody of the cannon. In any case, for some reason, that little "trophy" has always been a little different to me, but for the most part you can have your oaken buckets, axes and little brown jugs.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 18, 2009 14:37:16 GMT -5
Clemson-USC is a big rivalry. I was in a restaurant in Myrtle Beach once where, it was suggested, the owner painted one dining room orange and one room maroon so that either school's fans didn't have to eat with one another. That's serious business.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 18, 2009 14:38:31 GMT -5
Which of these are really rivalries versus regional matchups? Here are my top 10: You Aggie fans are always trying to pretend the Baylor game doesn't matter... No game matters to A&M except the one against "t.u." Speaking of that rivalry, today is the 10th anniversary of the Texas A&M bonfire collapse in which 12 Texas Aggies lost their lives. The Bonfire was the proudest tradition in college football. The Governor of Texas (an A&M alumnus) has said it should return to A&M's campus, and also that he expects it to return as early as next season. I think most of us, on both sides of the rivalry, share his opinion. "Student bonfire" just doesn't cut it. (Of course, the devil is in the details, but I think a reasonable compromise could be reached.)
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Post by kchoya on Nov 18, 2009 16:28:50 GMT -5
I know I'm biased, but I'd throw in Kansas-Missouri and BYU-Utah.
KU-MU probably has the most historic, deep-seated hatred of any rivalry between two schools/states. And BYU-Utah really is the Holy War (though the University of Utah has a good percentage of mormons).
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Post by hifigator on Nov 18, 2009 17:15:10 GMT -5
I know I'm biased, but I'd throw in Kansas-Missouri and BYU-Utah. KU-MU probably has the most historic, deep-seated hatred of any rivalry between two schools/states. And BYU-Utah really is the Holy War (though the University of Utah has a good percentage of mormons). You would put that Kansas-Missouri game above Texas-Oklahoma? Also, I think there's quite a lot of animosity between a certain school in Athens and a certain school in Gainesville.
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Post by TigerHoya on Nov 18, 2009 18:16:42 GMT -5
Clemson-USC is a big rivalry. I was in a restaurant in Myrtle Beach once where, it was suggested, the owner painted one dining room orange and one room maroon so that either school's fans didn't have to eat with one another. That's serious business. I was being facetious about the dominance on the scoreboard by Clemson. It's the only rivalry I know of that was stopped for 6 years after armed cadets from Clemson marched on the Horseshoe (grassy area on original campus like a Quad) of SC in 1903.
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Post by TigerHoya on Nov 18, 2009 18:17:58 GMT -5
hifi, Fremont (not Freemont) wasn't just "some explorer."
He was a very prominent one and was also the first Republican candidate for President in 1856.
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 18, 2009 20:56:17 GMT -5
hifi, Fremont (not Freemont) wasn't just "some explorer." He was a very prominent one and was also the first Republican candidate for President in 1856. Thanks, Tiger, I was going to mention that. You have to include Texas - Oklahoma and USC - Notre Dame. I realize that results in USC and Texas both being listed twice, but those games are clearly major rivalries.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 18, 2009 23:56:53 GMT -5
Also, I think there's quite a lot of animosity between a certain school in Athens and a certain school in Gainesville. Meh. The UGA-UF story is pretty simple. Georgia dominated the series forever, Florida has owned the rivalry since Spurrier came to Gainesville (as coach). The teams have faced each other 87 times, which is a lot but far fewer than all the matchups on DFW's list. Georgia arguably has a longer running series with a more hated rival (Auburn). Plus, the powers-that-be split the field lengthwise in Jacksonville, when everyone knows the proper way to split a neutral site is at the 50. It's tough to argue with DFW's list. It favors in-state rivalries, and I tend to agree those are the best kind of rivalries. I'd add Oregon-Oregon State as an honorable mention. Nebraska-Oklahoma might have qualified as an honorable mention as well before the Big 8 expanded, but it's no longer an annual game. WRT Texas-Oklahoma, it's trumped by the rivalry between Texas and TAMU. It has suffered in recent years due to the lopsidedness of the Big 12 South. I don't think Oklahoma's little tailspin this season signals a trend, but I'm way tired of Texas' "biggest game" of the season happening in October. I'd much prefer the Big 12 South champ were decided every Thanksgiving, rather than at the State Fair. _________________________ Getting back to the action, I'm going to agree with RDF that the Pac-10 is this year's best conference in CFB. The Big 12 absolutely sucks. The SEC isn't much better, and this is illustrated by LSU not having lost a conference game except to #1 and #2. All the teams at the top of the Pac-10 played BCS conference opponents in non-conference play. Texas and Florida haven't done that (though Florida has FSU at the end of the season). This season's turning into a bizzaro version of 2007, when no team seemed like a champ, but all the teams at the top lost. Now, none of the teams at the top can seem to lose, but no team has dominated through a tough schedule the way SC teams did in the early half of this decade.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 18, 2009 23:58:48 GMT -5
I think by now it's pretty clear that major rivalry games, especially those which have nicknames and/or trophies, are always on Austin's list. HiFi has repeatedly questioned these evaluations, especially when Notre Dame is involved. Which of these are really rivalries versus regional matchups? Here are my top 10: Army-Navy Harvard-Yale Ohio State-Michigan Cal-Stanford UCLA-USC Alabama-Auburn Texas-Texas A&M Georgia-Georgia Tech Southern-Grambling St. South Carolina-Clemson Honorable Mention goes to DePauw-Wabash for the Monon Bell. In 116 years, one win separates the two schools and students have gone to great lengths to steal the bell when it is held by the opposing schools. That's a rivalry. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monon_BellYou forgot the longest running rivalry in Div. 1A.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 19, 2009 12:02:18 GMT -5
hifi, Fremont (not Freemont) wasn't just "some explorer." He was a very prominent one and was also the first Republican candidate for President in 1856. Sorry about the spelling error. I should have known that automatically, but missed it somehow. I've stayed at the Fremont Hotel and Casino multiple times, and have stayed downtown where the "Fremont St. Experience" is, probably 7 or 8 at least. As for your other point, I wasn't trying to give a detailed description of the man, just a simple background into the cannon. But you are correct sir. Lastly, the Auburn-Georgia game is the "oldest rivalry in the south," and Maybe I'm biased, but it isn't the same as Florida-Georgia. I think maybe it's simply the novelty and uniqueness of the 50-50 split, but even Georgia fans don't put the Auburn game above the Florida contest as far as importance goes. I think if you asked them which game they would prefer to win if they could only win one, it would probably be at least 2 to 1 in favor of Florida. P.S. I don't really care or see much difference between splitting the sides down the 50 or splitting lengthwise. What I do miss was the old quarter style. They used to split the Florida-Georgia game in quarters. I always thought that was kind of cool, and gave a great view from the blimp for those who don't go to the game.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 21, 2009 18:38:48 GMT -5
Today was the one day I was rooting for Uconn.
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Post by TigerHoya on Nov 21, 2009 22:08:51 GMT -5
Today was the one day I was rooting for Uconn. Me too, but I always pull for 3 teams on Saturday - Clemson, whoever is playing S. Carolina, and whoever is playing Notre Dame.
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