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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 12, 2009 14:10:45 GMT -5
Bill Martin suggests Rich Rodriguez will be the HFC at the University of Michigan for quite a while: sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4645703It looks like most of the blame for this season isn't going to be heaped on Rodriguez, but on DC Greg Robinson, who hasn't had any success at all since leaving Texas to become the HFC at Syracuse. The defense has been pretty terrible, but to be fair Michigan has had better athletes on the defensive side of the football in the past. My guess is that Robinson gets canned anyway, and UM brings in a high-profile DC for next season.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 12, 2009 15:56:13 GMT -5
I heard an ESPN piece on Brian Kelly, head coach at Cincinnati, and he was asked about moving on to another position. Without naming any names, he said that he was contacted -- not sure if he said "offered" -- about a number of positions before this season, including a couple of "prominent names," but that he felt that staying at Cincy was the right thing to do at the time. Then they mentioned something about his wife recovering from some illness. I don't remember if they went into details or if I just missed it. In any case, it sounded like he was "ready" to leave but elected not to because of his wife's illness. Now I'm wondering what schools might have contacted him last year. I don't see him stepping "down" to a UAB or a Memphis school. Notre Dame would be a perfect move for him, but I certainly hope he doesn't go there. I hate the Irish, but I respect Kelly and have little doubt that he will be a success wherever he does go.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 12, 2009 17:31:05 GMT -5
Man, I know that the Hoyas aren't exactly the creme de la creme on the gridiron ... but this is a bit much: www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htmHint: what do Valpo, Campbell, Savannah State and Morehead St have in common?
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 12, 2009 20:24:27 GMT -5
Week 11 Picks for Games That Matter: Cincinnati over West Virginia Northwestern over Illinois for the Sweet Sioux Tomahawk Land of Lincoln Trophy (lame) Georgia Tech over Duke Clemson over N.C. State in the Textile Bowl Western Michigan over Eastern Michigan to decide the Michigan MAC Trophy runner-up UAB over Memphis in the Battle for the Bones Boise State over Idaho Stanford over SC (I'm on the bandwagon) Ohio State over Iowa (no Stanzi=no chance) Florida over S. Carolina Nevada over Fresno State Auburn over UGA in the Oldest Rivalry in the Deep South Texas Christian over Utah Pitt crushes Notre Dame I am pretty much in agreement. If I had to pick a game to go the "other way," it would probably be to pick that USC wins at home over Stanford. But otherwise, I like your picks. Go to Vegas and win us some money! Send me my share. If you should lose, then I will try to make it up to you with better picks next week. On Edit: the Fightin' Zookers keep jerking me around by winning. It wouldn't surprise me if that trend continues. But all those friggin "Big" 10 games look the same. USC is an 11 point favorite, so that's not exactly going out on a limb, hifi. I myself am torn over the Western Michigan - Eastern Michigan game.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 13, 2009 11:01:10 GMT -5
Hint: what do Valpo, Campbell, Savannah State and Morehead St have in common? Those teams make up Urban Meyer's out-of-conference schedule this year?
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Post by hifigator on Nov 13, 2009 11:56:35 GMT -5
Hint: what do Valpo, Campbell, Savannah State and Morehead St have in common? Those teams make up Urban Meyer's out-of-conference schedule this year? well done kc. I'll give you that one.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Nov 14, 2009 18:58:49 GMT -5
And wow, Stanford just beat the hell out of USC at the Coliseum. The place was practically empty late in the 4th quarter, minus a small group of Stanford fans. 55-21.
If Stanford can win next week's Big Game for the Axe vs. Cal, it could be the Pac-10 champion. Both Oregon and Arizona would have to lose, but there is still a chance. A lot of teams still in the mix for the Rose Bowl here.
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 14, 2009 21:45:07 GMT -5
And wow, Stanford just beat the hell out of USC at the Coliseum. The place was practically empty late in the 4th quarter, minus a small group of Stanford fans. 55-21. If Stanford can win next week's Big Game for the Axe vs. Cal, it could be the Pac-10 champion. Both Oregon and Arizona would have to lose, but there is still a chance. A lot of teams still in the mix for the Rose Bowl here. And one of those is not USC. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by TigerHoya on Nov 15, 2009 14:01:55 GMT -5
After an absence of several months, I'm back on the board. Only college game I've been to was Clemson at College Park - if Bowden was still the coach that win would have totally derailed the season.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 15, 2009 15:45:02 GMT -5
And wow, Stanford just beat the hell out of USC at the Coliseum. The place was practically empty late in the 4th quarter, minus a small group of Stanford fans. 55-21. If Stanford can win next week's Big Game for the Axe vs. Cal, it could be the Pac-10 champion. Both Oregon and Arizona would have to lose, but there is still a chance. A lot of teams still in the mix for the Rose Bowl here. Oregon travels to the desert next weekend to face the 'Cats, so one of those teams is guaranteed an additional loss. I'm rooting for Stanford to represent the Pac-10 in the Rose Bowl, so I'm rooting for Arizona next weekend. I think the 'Cats are more likely to drop one of their remaining games (@ ASU, @ SC) than Oregon is likely to lose the Civil War (which will be played in Eugene).
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Post by hifigator on Nov 16, 2009 12:20:40 GMT -5
And wow, Stanford just beat the hell out of USC at the Coliseum. The place was practically empty late in the 4th quarter, minus a small group of Stanford fans. 55-21. If Stanford can win next week's Big Game for the Axe vs. Cal, it could be the Pac-10 champion. Both Oregon and Arizona would have to lose, but there is still a chance. A lot of teams still in the mix for the Rose Bowl here. Oregon travels to the desert next weekend to face the 'Cats, so one of those teams is guaranteed an additional loss. I'm rooting for Stanford to represent the Pac-10 in the Rose Bowl, so I'm rooting for Arizona next weekend. I think the 'Cats are more likely to drop one of their remaining games (@ ASU, @ SC) than Oregon is likely to lose the Civil War (which will be played in Eugene). I didn't get to watch any of that game, but I heard Dan Patrick talking about it on the way in to work this morning. Apparently, Jim Harbaugh elected to go for 2 at the end of the game, winning 48-21. "Running up the score" was the topic. The suggestion was that Harbaugh did it because Stanford had been on the losing side against USC and that Carroll had run up the score against them. I don't know how much merit there is to that argument, but it does make sense. Generally, I don't worry about the running up the score argument. It's one team's job to score and it's the other team's job to stop them. But going for two, does seem to be a bit different. Thoughts? On a grander scale, is this a changing of the guard in the Pac 10 or is USC just in a bit of a temporary downturn?
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 16, 2009 13:39:36 GMT -5
I think it's a temporary downturn, but hoping for the opposite.
I was flabbergasted when I heard what Harbaugh pulled. I'm obviously no USC fan, but I don't think Carroll has ever done anything as blatant as that. Perhaps some of those who have been getting kicked around by USC for years are laughing, but I think this was a totally bush move by Harbaugh.
My preference for the Rose Bowl would be Stanford or Oregon, but at this point, any alternative to USC is a pleasure. I want the team most likely to whip TOSU, and those are my top two choices.
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Post by RDF on Nov 16, 2009 14:08:10 GMT -5
Harbaugh can do what he wants. This "running up the score" crap is for the pansies of the media world to harp about. You dont' like it--stop someone. It's only an issue when you are playing an obviously overmatched opponent. When you are playing a conference opponent--they are fair game. If you don't like it--grow up.
Carroll has been very classy in terms of not running it up on league teams--but out conference--different story--although I think he's been "nice" to ND the past 2-3 years when he could've destroyed them--specifically last season. As for Stanford--when Carroll was loaded with talent--he was friends with Walt Harris who recruited him to Pacific--so he took it easy on them, which I find fault in--if you can hammer someone you destroy them. I just feel you do so by putting in your backups and letting them play as hard as they can--because they deserve it due to their work in offseason and during year and it's not only good for morale but you see who wants to earn more playing time. Others think it's "unfair" and those pansies have NEVER WON A DAMN THING in their life.
This wasn't Stanford playing St. Mary's of the Blind--and if you want to make a mark/statement you destroy your opponent--and especially when they are "Bully" of the league.
USC is still a 7-3 team right now-it's not like they are missing a bowl. If you look at the games with eyes instead of listening to bullcrap hype about rankings....etc.....you'd have noticed they were not very good this year--and while Barkley the true FR QB will be blamed--it's more of their awful defensive play at DT and LB--which is to be expected to drop off after having the studs they had in recent years.
Also--the PAC 10 is BEST LEAGUE IN COUNTRY top to bottom--as you are seeing. When mediocre/bottom feeders like USC/Washington can challenge or beat the likes of LSU and Ohio State, then that tells you a lot about a league's depth/strength. Their top team might be lesser then others--but the entire league is best.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 16, 2009 14:54:57 GMT -5
RDF. that remains to be seen, but you can certainly make that argument. Additionally, what I noticed yesterday when the latest BCS rankings came out was how many Pac 10 and Big 10 teams there were. From something like #9 or so through #22 I think there were 11 teams from those two conferences. That is certainly some depth. Lastly, what you use to support the Pac 10 is exactly what has supported the SEC argument for years. While the top team or two in other conferences might be every bit as good as the top teams in the SEC, it was really the strength of the bottom teams in the conference that really illustrate the strength of the conference.
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 16, 2009 20:56:10 GMT -5
Harbaugh can do what he wants. This "running up the score" crap is for the pansies of the media world to harp about. You dont' like it--stop someone. It's only an issue when you are playing an obviously overmatched opponent. When you are playing a conference opponent--they are fair game. If you don't like it--grow up. Carroll has been very classy in terms of not running it up on league teams--but out conference--different story--although I think he's been "nice" to ND the past 2-3 years when he could've destroyed them--specifically last season. As for Stanford--when Carroll was loaded with talent--he was friends with Walt Harris who recruited him to Pacific--so he took it easy on them, which I find fault in--if you can hammer someone you destroy them. I just feel you do so by putting in your backups and letting them play as hard as they can--because they deserve it due to their work in offseason and during year and it's not only good for morale but you see who wants to earn more playing time. Others think it's "unfair" and those pansies have NEVER WON A DAMN THING in their life. This wasn't Stanford playing St. Mary's of the Blind--and if you want to make a mark/statement you destroy your opponent--and especially when they are "Bully" of the league. USC is still a 7-3 team right now-it's not like they are missing a bowl. If you look at the games with eyes instead of listening to bullcrap hype about rankings....etc.....you'd have noticed they were not very good this year--and while Barkley the true FR QB will be blamed--it's more of their awful defensive play at DT and LB--which is to be expected to drop off after having the studs they had in recent years. Also--the PAC 10 is BEST LEAGUE IN COUNTRY top to bottom--as you are seeing. When mediocre/bottom feeders like USC/Washington can challenge or beat the likes of LSU and Ohio State, then that tells you a lot about a league's depth/strength. Their top team might be lesser then others--but the entire league is best. I guess it's how you define running up the score. To me, putting subs in and letting them play is not running up the score in any way, shape or form. So RDF, I think we are in accord on that. But going for a two point conversion when you have a three touchdown lead late in the game just so you can say you scored 50 points is bush. Look, Stanford scored another touchdown after that. I have no problem with that (in fact, I enjoyed it), nor does Carroll, I would expect. But the two point conversion was just asinine and bad sportsmanship, and added nothing to the game.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 17, 2009 6:55:04 GMT -5
Bill Martin suggests Rich Rodriguez will be the HFC at the University of Michigan for quite a while: sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4645703It looks like most of the blame for this season isn't going to be heaped on Rodriguez, but on DC Greg Robinson, who hasn't had any success at all since leaving Texas to become the HFC at Syracuse. The defense has been pretty terrible, but to be fair Michigan has had better athletes on the defensive side of the football in the past. My guess is that Robinson gets canned anyway, and UM brings in a high-profile DC for next season. robinson shouldn't go anywhere. he has done as good a job possible with the hand he was dealt. the severe lack of depth has forced him to play the base d the entire game. they have a walkon starting at safety and two other walkons in the 2 deep at linebacker and on the dline. cissoko was dismissed earlier in the year, making a thin CB crop even thinner. woolfolk had to move from safety to corner, making safety a major disaster. the dline has actually played pretty well. the back 7 has been a complete mess. all of the defections on that side of the ball the last few years have killed any depth they could have. i can't see them changing defensive coordinators again. if they do, it would be the 4th in 4 years. the solution is recruiting less 5'8" slot receivers and more defensive players to build depth.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 17, 2009 11:24:37 GMT -5
Harbaugh can do what he wants. This "running up the score" crap is for the pansies of the media world to harp about. You dont' like it--stop someone. It's only an issue when you are playing an obviously overmatched opponent. When you are playing a conference opponent--they are fair game. If you don't like it--grow up. Carroll has been very classy in terms of not running it up on league teams--but out conference--different story--although I think he's been "nice" to ND the past 2-3 years when he could've destroyed them--specifically last season. As for Stanford--when Carroll was loaded with talent--he was friends with Walt Harris who recruited him to Pacific--so he took it easy on them, which I find fault in--if you can hammer someone you destroy them. I just feel you do so by putting in your backups and letting them play as hard as they can--because they deserve it due to their work in offseason and during year and it's not only good for morale but you see who wants to earn more playing time. Others think it's "unfair" and those pansies have NEVER WON A DAMN THING in their life. This wasn't Stanford playing St. Mary's of the Blind--and if you want to make a mark/statement you destroy your opponent--and especially when they are "Bully" of the league. USC is still a 7-3 team right now-it's not like they are missing a bowl. If you look at the games with eyes instead of listening to bullcrap hype about rankings....etc.....you'd have noticed they were not very good this year--and while Barkley the true FR QB will be blamed--it's more of their awful defensive play at DT and LB--which is to be expected to drop off after having the studs they had in recent years. Also--the PAC 10 is BEST LEAGUE IN COUNTRY top to bottom--as you are seeing. When mediocre/bottom feeders like USC/Washington can challenge or beat the likes of LSU and Ohio State, then that tells you a lot about a league's depth/strength. Their top team might be lesser then others--but the entire league is best. I guess it's how you define running up the score. To me, putting subs in and letting them play is not running up the score in any way, shape or form. So RDF, I think we are in accord on that. But going for a two point conversion when you have a three touchdown lead late in the game just so you can say you scored 50 points is bush. Look, Stanford scored another touchdown after that. I have no problem with that (in fact, I enjoyed it), nor does Carroll, I would expect. But the two point conversion was just asinine and bad sportsmanship, and added nothing to the game. Apparently, there's a lot more to it. In addition to the questionable play calling late in the game, last night a friend told me that Harbaugh didn't/wouldn't shake hands after the game. Supposedly Pate Carroll was heading over in his direction and Jim just flared off and jogged rather briskly to the locker room. Spurrier and Meyer at least gave it a token effort -- their hands glanced into each other and there was the barely discernable head nod as they passed.
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Post by RDF on Nov 17, 2009 11:40:22 GMT -5
Hifi--your friend is wrong. They had an odd exchange--but they always do. Those two aren't friends and won't be and don't have to be--but they shook hands with Carroll asking Harbaugh "If he's alright?"--referring to the fact he didn't like the 2 pt play--but Harbaugh just responded like he always does and lets face it--he's only coach in Pac 10 who has beaten Carroll 2 times at the Coliseum and can do what he wants. If Carroll doesn't like it--beat Stanford. ;D
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 17, 2009 13:10:02 GMT -5
Hifi--your friend is wrong. They had an odd exchange--but they always do. Those two aren't friends and won't be and don't have to be--but they shook hands with Carroll asking Harbaugh "If he's alright?"--referring to the fact he didn't like the 2 pt play--but Harbaugh just responded like he always does and lets face it--he's only coach in Pac 10 who has beaten Carroll 2 times at the Coliseum and can do what he wants. If Carroll doesn't like it--beat Stanford. ;D Actually, I heard that Carroll said "what's up with you?" to Harbaugh, and Harbaugh replied "what's up with you?". A bit like two ten year olds. To be continued. ;D
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Post by hifigator on Nov 17, 2009 15:21:57 GMT -5
Yeah RDF, I read what rooter just pointed out in the paper. So I guess they did have a "friendly greeting" after the game. I'm not sure how much better it was than no contact though.
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