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Post by jgalt on Aug 19, 2009 22:45:00 GMT -5
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Aug 20, 2009 4:53:15 GMT -5
So, does this give us another "win" or reduce our "losses"?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 20, 2009 8:00:04 GMT -5
YEAH!
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Post by Jack on Aug 20, 2009 9:01:57 GMT -5
John Calipari: Still no "official" appearances in the Final 4. Enjoy, Kentucky.
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Post by Gold Hoya on Aug 20, 2009 11:23:30 GMT -5
At least Kentucky has experienced probation in the past.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 20, 2009 11:32:08 GMT -5
Why does it seem like a John Calipari-led team beats us they end up forfeiting the win?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 20, 2009 12:12:32 GMT -5
So, does this give us another "win" or reduce our "losses"? Amazingly, neither. We still lost the game; they just didn't win. |
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 20, 2009 13:42:58 GMT -5
Everybody knows they went to the Final Four so stripping them of it after the fact is a slap on the wrist. They should be punished by banning them from post season for a year or two. They should also suspend Calipari from coaching for a year.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 20, 2009 13:53:07 GMT -5
I disagree ed I think it's a big deal to get your accomplishments stripped. I'd be fine with harsher punishments and Calipari should definitely be punished, but I think it's a bigger deal than you think.
SF, We really don't get that loss wiped off our records? That's just stupid. Shouldn't it be as if the game was never played. I mean in theory if you include that game we're 7-2 against Memphis. Shouldn't we now be 7-1 against memphis? Or some how are we still 7-2 agianst them but they're only 1-7 against us?
edit: I do kind of see the point but to see it you have to consider a team that beat memphis. The game shouldn't be wiped out because memphis cheated. If we had beaten memphis that year we wouldn't want that win to go away. And it would be kind of unfair to have a double standard like that. But it does appear to lead to some weird book keeping.
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Post by jgalt on Aug 20, 2009 14:36:01 GMT -5
Everybody knows they went to the Final Four so stripping them of it after the fact is a slap on the wrist. They should be punished by banning them from post season for a year or two. They should also suspend Calipari from coaching for a year. I agree. The School in the end, probably wont care too much (unless they get an almost death sentence like Baylor did, which is unlikely). The got what they wanted from the Final Four trip- the money. If the NCAA really wants to make schools are coaches stop this kind of thing (or at least work harder to prevent it) they should look at trying to estimate the financial gain from the success of the season and fine them that amount (doesnt have to be paid in a lump some because they have probably already spent it, just take it out over a few years from revenues). As for Cal, Skip Bayless had a good point this morning on First Take: Sampson did essentially the same thing as Cal has done and was a repeat offender, but Cal will come out clean from this. Why? only because he waited a bunch of years from the last time he broke the rules. Basically the NCAA is saying, if you break the rules just wait a few years and you can do it again with out any extra punishment. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 20, 2009 14:50:53 GMT -5
It's weird bookkeeping, but that's how it works.
The biggest issue with this as a punishment is that there is no enforcement.
I bet Memphis could hang a banner and put the Final Four in their press guides, etc.
ESPN and other sports reporting will consistently refer to "Calipari's 96 Final Four team" without ever referencing them vacating.
So if it is only in the NCAA reference books, who cares?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 20, 2009 15:25:06 GMT -5
gary-parrish.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/6271764Couple of poss about the memphs mess. It's interesting to see the players responses. It seems like they're the only ones actually being punished. This SAT thing is ridiculous. He fails to get a passing score 3 times in his hometown of chicago. Then right before school starts he drives 5 hours to take the test in Detroit and passes?! how was this not flagged right away? That's beyond suspicious. According to the Memphis boards they are going to have to give back some money, so there's that i guess.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 20, 2009 15:41:48 GMT -5
They have to give back their tournament money.
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Post by tlphoya on Aug 20, 2009 15:45:55 GMT -5
gary-parrish.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/6271764This SAT thing is ridiculous. He fails to get a passing score 3 times in his hometown of chicago. Then right before school starts he drives 5 hours to take the test in Detroit and passes?! how was this not flagged right away? That's beyond suspicious. I thought the part about worldwide wes living in Detroit was interesting... |
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Post by Cambridge on Aug 20, 2009 16:19:29 GMT -5
It's weird bookkeeping, but that's how it works. The biggest issue with this as a punishment is that there is no enforcement. I bet Memphis could hang a banner and put the Final Four in their press guides, etc. ESPN and other sports reporting will consistently refer to "Calipari's 96 Final Four team" without ever referencing them vacating. So if it is only in the NCAA reference books, who cares? That's the part that kills me. I HATE it when they neglect to mention vacated accomplishments. |
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Post by vcjack on Aug 20, 2009 17:05:13 GMT -5
Thanks to the heroics of Supernintendo Chalmers, The NCAA won't have to deal with the awkwardness of there not being an 07-08 national champ.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 20, 2009 18:49:51 GMT -5
Thanks to the heroics of Supernintendo Chalmers, The NCAA won't have to deal with the awkwardness of there not being an 07-08 national champ. It actually makes this dynamic fairly interesting. In retrospect, the National Championship game was all or nothing for Memphis. I'm fairly sure the NCAA doesn't vacate a National Title winner -- too embarassing -- so if they had won, I bet this doesn't happen. |
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Post by jgalt on Aug 20, 2009 23:13:11 GMT -5
Great stuff from Dana O'Neil: sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=4411875Quote: "Instead all was quiet, and before the hammer fell at Memphis, he bolted. His punishment? He's now the highest-paid coach in college basketball, with a legion of supporters -- including the governor of Kentucky -- lined up to defend him." |
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Post by hifigator on Aug 21, 2009 12:19:42 GMT -5
One of the big topics today locally, is how the wins have been taken away from Memphis but not Calipari. Now maybe his coaching record is impacted as well. I don't know. But in the articles that I have seen, that hasn't been addressed. I guess it's more of a topic down here because of the recent NCAA decision impacting FSU sports, and specifically Bobby Bowden's quest for the winningest coach ever. I do think there could be some inconsistency here, but given my utter disdain for FSU, I'm not losing any sleep over it.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 21, 2009 12:25:27 GMT -5
Well I know memphis fans are saying he's no longer the winningest coach in memphis hitory since those wins were vacated. You would think they'd be taken away from Calipari's records as well. I mean if according to the NCAA his team didn't win those games.
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