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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 19, 2009 10:27:11 GMT -5
gary-parrish.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6271764/16701501I only post this because I thought once a player received an athletic scholarship they were considered to be a scholarship player even if they no longer received one. I thought this was to prevent situations exactly like this. I thought we had that whole debate about how patrick ewing jr. would be counted agianst our scholarship count even if big pat paid his tuition. Or did that only apply since he transferred in and this is some how different because Varnado is staying at the same university. It just seems like teams shouldn't be able to do this.
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Post by hifigator on Aug 19, 2009 10:33:22 GMT -5
Unless the rules have changed, then thid is entirely within their rights. While it's rarely implemented, the Universithdoes have the power to ro this. Effectively, schollaships are year-to-year, or even semester to semester. The limitning onf this is that most coachs wont do it, and know that if they start pulling scholys then it will come back in spades to dito tm on the butt.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 19, 2009 11:07:36 GMT -5
I knew you could not renew a scholarship, but essentially having 14 scholarship players seems like something that shouldn't be allowed.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 19, 2009 11:40:03 GMT -5
You get 13 "counters" in men's basketball. So, what's a "counter"? Under NCAA bylaws, "A student-athlete who receives financial aid based in any degree on athletics ability shall become
a counter for the year during which the student-athlete receives the financial aid;"
As hifi notes, an institution can elect not to renew the financial aid (scholarship). The bylaws state:
"If an institution does not renew financial aid for a counter in a following year, [...] the student-athlete shall not be a counter if he or she receives institutionally arranged or awarded, nonathletically related financial aid available to all students, provided such financial aid was granted or arranged without regard in any degree to athletics ability. If the student-athlete ever
participates again in intercollegiate athletics at that institution, he or she will be considered to have been a counter during each year the financial aid was received."
Kind of confusing, but I read that to say once you're a counter, you will always count against the limit of 13 if you keep playing. The only way your don't count is if you never compete again.
There is this exception that, without know the details, may apply:
"In football or basketball, a student-athlete who was recruited by the awarding institution and whose only source of institutional financial aid is academic aid based solely on the recipient’s academic record at the certifying institution, awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by the institution, may compete without counting in the institution’s financial aid team limits, provided he or she has completed at least one academic year of full-time enrollment at the certifying institution and has achieved a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.300 (on a 4.000 scale) at the certifying institution."
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Post by Jack on Aug 19, 2009 12:03:53 GMT -5
Rick Stansbury sure seems like he went to the Tim Floyd School of Coaching Ethics, doesn't he?
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Post by bmartin on Aug 19, 2009 19:08:27 GMT -5
I am pretty sure he has to count against the scholarship limit.
Otherwise this loophole would be abused regularly.
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 19, 2009 19:51:08 GMT -5
Unless the rules have changed, then thid is entirely within their rights. While it's rarely implemented, the Universithdoes have the power to ro this. Effectively, schollaships are year-to-year, or even semester to semester. The limitning onf this is that most coachs wont do it, and know that if they start pulling scholys then it will come back in spades to dito tm on the butt. Were you functional when you typed this? Good Lord, man, try spellcheck! |
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Post by Gold Hoya on Aug 20, 2009 7:10:58 GMT -5
Rick Stansbury sure seems like he went to the Tim Floyd School of Coaching Ethics, doesn't he? He also took a class with Prof. Calhoun; Stanley Robinson was the TA |
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Post by hifigator on Aug 20, 2009 11:36:33 GMT -5
Unless the rules have changed, then thid is entirely within their rights. While it's rarely implemented, the Universithdoes have the power to ro this. Effectively, schollaships are year-to-year, or even semester to semester. The limitning onf this is that most coachs wont do it, and know that if they start pulling scholys then it will come back in spades to dito tm on the butt. Were you functional when you typed this? Good Lord, man, try spellcheck! I was literally dozing off as I wrote that. I couldn't keep my eyes open. We had an alarm call in the middle of the night and I had been screwing with that most of the night. I ended up having to take a siesta in the middle of the day -- something I never do -- but you are correct. That was awful. I apologize. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 20, 2009 12:32:54 GMT -5
Were you functional when you typed this? Good Lord, man, try spellcheck! I was literally dozing off as I wrote that. I couldn't keep my eyes open. We had an alarm call in the middle of the night and I had been screwing with that most of the night. I ended up having to take a siesta in the middle of the day -- something I never do -- but you are correct. That was awful. I apologize. LOL. Apology accepted. I've had similar experiences. |
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