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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 13, 2009 20:53:30 GMT -5
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Post by guru on Aug 13, 2009 21:43:53 GMT -5
A guy who drowns, electrocutes and finds all sorts of creative ways to murder dogs is a perfect match for the most detestable fanbase in the league. So much for "I don't mind the Eagles, I just hate their (mostly) a-hole fans."
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Post by PhillyHoya on Aug 13, 2009 21:54:32 GMT -5
I started the NFL thread with this but I guess it warrants its own thread.
I don't know whether to laugh or shake my head. My closest Eagles fan friend is rather despondent. All he could say is that they should probably just sign Donte Stallworth right now.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 13, 2009 22:03:33 GMT -5
Should've held this column for another 2 days, Richie: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/10/AR2009081002454.html"When Vick takes the field, I for one will imagine the thrashing of pacifist puppies as they are drowned or twisting in the wind as they are hanged. And throughout the land every kid will know -- if they do not already -- that what matters most is not that Vick has paid his debt to society or is remorseful, but that he could still throw the ball."ON EDIT: I should point out I don't agree with many of Cohen's points, just think his is an interesting take. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 13, 2009 22:07:04 GMT -5
Am I the only person who thinks the signing says more about McNabb than Vick or the Eagles?
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Post by FLHoya on Aug 13, 2009 22:30:00 GMT -5
that what matters most is not that Vick has paid his debt to society or is remorseful, but that he could still throw the ball." [/i][/quote] I'm a Falcons fan...and that part is news to me. I was never under the impression he could throw the ball in the first place. |
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Post by Elvado on Aug 14, 2009 11:30:24 GMT -5
In another important move, Squeaky Fromme was just released from prison and signed by the Eagles.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Aug 14, 2009 11:33:33 GMT -5
that what matters most is not that Vick has paid his debt to society or is remorseful, but that he could still throw the ball." [/i][/quote] Falcons fan [/quote] Alternatively, this part surprised me. They do exist ... |
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Post by PhillyHoya on Aug 14, 2009 14:34:55 GMT -5
In another important move, Squeaky Fromme was just released from prison and signed by the Eagles. And Dante Stallworth soon enough. I also said to a fan friend that they should get Lenny Dykstra as an accountant. His response was "Great, all our cap space is gonna be spent on Skoal." |
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 14, 2009 15:59:38 GMT -5
Michael Vick -- ran a dog fighting ring.
Penalty: Spent two years in jail, cost him millions. His offense had to do with dogs.
George O'Leary -- Leader of young men, Lied on his resume.
Penalty: Cost him his job and was a huge career setback. Must have cost him millions as well.
Greg McMackin, Hawaii Football Head Coach. Leader of young men. Made a gay slur wise crack about ND Footbal.
Penalty: Cost him a month's suspension and $175,000.
Rick Pitino. Leader of young men. Cheated on wife. Illicit sex. Paid for abortion. Lied about everything.
Penalty: Had to say he was sorry.
When the Eagles come to town, I still won't like them. But it won't have anything to do with Vick.
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Post by theexorcist on Aug 14, 2009 16:11:39 GMT -5
Michael Vick -- ran a dog fighting ring. Penalty: Spent two years in jail, cost him millions. His offense had to do with dogs. George O'Leary -- Leader of young men, Lied on his resume. Penalty: Cost him his job and was a huge career setback. Must have cost him millions as well. Greg McMackin, Hawaii Football Head Coach. Leader of young men. Made a gay slur wise crack about ND Footbal. Penalty: Cost him a month's suspension and $175,000. Rick Pitino. Leader of young men. Cheated on wife. Illicit sex. Paid for abortion. Lied about everything. Penalty: Had to say he was sorry. When the Eagles come to town, I still won't like them. But it won't have anything to do with Vick. With this and Donte Stallworth, the question is what's the line? What do you have to do for the NFL to say "No, we don't want you here ever again". |
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Aug 14, 2009 16:12:28 GMT -5
Count me as an Eagles fan who likes the signing. A lot of articles are acting like you choose not to hire an ex-con to do society a favor and be extra punitive. That's not how it works. You do it as a form of risk mitigation.
In this case I think the Eagles are right to take a chance on Vick. This isn't a guns, drugs, and club incident where you worry about him sinking into the routine again. It's not an assault where you worry about him attacking a teammate. Unless he mistakes Lesean Mccoy for a rotweiler, his chance of causing problems is pretty low especially since he's just gotten out of prison so he probably doesn't want to go back.
The only risk is the media "self-righteous-off" that's going on now. Honestly, big deal.
And actually I think Stallworth not getting jail time for killing a human being by being drunk and high behind the wheel and Vick getting 2 years for the dogfighting ring is pretty screwed up. That's a different question though.
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Post by Buckets on Aug 14, 2009 17:12:35 GMT -5
Michael Vick -- ran a dog fighting ring. Penalty: Spent two years in jail, cost him millions. His offense had to do with dogs. George O'Leary -- Leader of young men, Lied on his resume. Penalty: Cost him his job and was a huge career setback. Must have cost him millions as well. Greg McMackin, Hawaii Football Head Coach. Leader of young men. Made a gay slur wise crack about ND Footbal. Penalty: Cost him a month's suspension and $175,000. Rick Pitino. Leader of young men. Cheated on wife. Illicit sex. Paid for abortion. Lied about everything. Penalty: Had to say he was sorry. When the Eagles come to town, I still won't like them. But it won't have anything to do with Vick. With this and Donte Stallworth, the question is what's the line? What do you have to do for the NFL to say "No, we don't want you here ever again". Well, as Leonard Little, Marvin Harrison, Ray Lewis, and Donte Stallworth have proved, merely killing another person isn't going to do it. So I guess the better question is, do you want the commissioner banning players for life for their actions off the field? I don't. |
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Post by kchoya on Aug 14, 2009 17:54:14 GMT -5
With this and Donte Stallworth, the question is what's the line? What do you have to do for the NFL to say "No, we don't want you here ever again". Well, as Leonard Little, Marvin Harrison, Ray Lewis, and Donte Stallworth have proved, merely killing another person isn't going to do it. So I guess the better question is, do you want the commissioner banning players for life for their actions off the field? I don't. I'm sorry, I missed the part where Marvin Harrison or Ray Lewis actually killed someone. |
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Post by kchoya on Aug 14, 2009 18:00:20 GMT -5
Should've held this column for another 2 days, Richie: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/10/AR2009081002454.html"When Vick takes the field, I for one will imagine the thrashing of pacifist puppies as they are drowned or twisting in the wind as they are hanged. And throughout the land every kid will know -- if they do not already -- that what matters most is not that Vick has paid his debt to society or is remorseful, but that he could still throw the ball."ON EDIT: I should point out I don't agree with many of Cohen's points, just think his is an interesting take. I don't think it's interesting at all. 1. Using the phrase "Michael Vick, thrower of footballs" turns me off right away. I bet this guy hasn't watched an NFL games in 20 years. 2. Wait, he then goes on, speaking of Vick, to say he "could still thread a needle with the football." Yup, this writer hasn't seen the NFL since George Allen roamed the sidelines. 3. Most annoying is his ending: "And throughout the land every kid will know -- if they do not already -- that what matters most is not that Vick has paid his debt to society or is remorseful, but that he could still throw the ball. Maybe an athlete can't quite get away with murder, but drowning dogs is a different matter. " How did Vick "get away" with drowning dogs? Did I just imagine that he spent time in Leavenworth, is bankrupt and is a social outcast? |
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 14, 2009 19:07:06 GMT -5
Now if the Eagles could only get T.O. back. Thank goodness the Redskins did not sign Vick.
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Post by Joe Hoya on Aug 14, 2009 23:16:50 GMT -5
As that aforementioned "despondent" Eagles fan...ugh. Completely blindsided by it. Vick was one of my least favorite athletes...before he went to prison. Totally overrated and overhyped his entire career...and now he's an Eagle.
That being said, I would almost rather they sign Stallworth.* Vick lied for years about his actions, while Stallworth was up front and confessed. I mean, he friggin' killed a dude, but at least he was honest about it.
The only saving grace here for me is that Tony Dungy is involved. I've never met him, but for some reason, I trust that man.
*I am not suggesting that they sign Donte' Stallworth. Or that Stallworth should not be in prison. Let's be real.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 15, 2009 9:28:33 GMT -5
Jeff Lurie should back up his horse manure about great social change coming from this move by announcing that the Eagles will forego any revenue from the Vick jerseys already on sale and will instead donate the Eagles' share to the SPCA. When he does that I'll believe one word out of his phony mouth.
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