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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 7, 2009 11:49:47 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 7, 2009 12:25:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure much is new by reading this--the article seemed a little lost about what an encyclical does. An encyclical is a letter first and foremost and not always a matter of dogma.
When Benedict XVI was elevated a lot of Vatican critics portryayed him as the next Pius XII, but that has not been the case.
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 7, 2009 13:26:55 GMT -5
I'd rather read the encyclical itself rather than a Washington Post article about it before commenting.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 7, 2009 13:41:55 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 7, 2009 18:34:58 GMT -5
I particularly like this section: Let us hope that the international community and individual governments will succeed in countering harmful ways of treating the environment. It is likewise incumbent upon the competent authorities to make every effort to ensure that the economic and social costs of using up shared environmental resources are recognized with transparency and fully borne by those who incur them, not by other peoples or future generations: the protection of the environment, of resources and of the climate obliges all international leaders to act jointly and to show a readiness to work in good faith, respecting the law and promoting solidarity with the weakest regions of the planet[121]. One of the greatest challenges facing the economy is to achieve the most efficient use — not abuse — of natural resources, based on a realization that the notion of “efficiency” is not value-free.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 9, 2009 14:56:20 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 9, 2009 19:11:32 GMT -5
Dionne is a nutjob liberal posing as a Catholic but one who rejects Catholic beliefs unless they fit his liberal beliefs. He jumps onto things the Pope says that he agrees with and fights against those he disagrees with. Would he ever publish a positive column when the Pope addresses life issues?
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Post by hoya95 on Jul 9, 2009 21:19:22 GMT -5
Dionne is a nutjob liberal posing as a Catholic but one who rejects Catholic beliefs unless they fit his liberal beliefs. He jumps onto things the Pope says that he agrees with and fights against those he disagrees with. Would he ever publish a positive column when the Pope addresses life issues? No offense, but if EJ Dionne qualifies as a "nutjob liberal" to you, then you might want to get outside the John Birch society every once in a while. Dionne is about as tepid and milk toast a liberal as you can get. I know some nutjob liberals. Some nutjob liberals are friends of mine. And EJ Dionne is no nutjob liberal. |
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Post by Buckets on Jul 10, 2009 7:18:04 GMT -5
Dionne is a nutjob liberal posing as a Catholic but one who rejects Catholic beliefs unless they fit his liberal beliefs. He jumps onto things the Pope says that he agrees with and fights against those he disagrees with. Would he ever publish a positive column when the Pope addresses life issues? And will you ever respond to the Pope's encyclical on economic issues? |
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 10, 2009 8:47:48 GMT -5
I agree with the Pope on economic issues but I disagree that the issue of wealth distribution is a function of the state. Our parish has a special collection about once a month for various charities (African, South American, etc.) and parishioners freely contribute to those causes they see fit. Then there are numerous other charities, outside of what our parish fosters, where donations are sought. I contribute to some of these also. I don't need the state telling me what to contribute to and then spending 40% or so in administrative costs in overseeing them. I particularly don't need the state taking my tax monies and spending them on spreading values in conflict with Catholic teachings.
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Post by TC on Jul 10, 2009 8:49:09 GMT -5
And will you ever respond to the Pope's encyclical on economic issues? I read it and Dionne is on the mark. If you judged it within American political terms, the Pope rings in somewhere between Barack Obama and a costumed WTO Protester. There's some Al Gore in here, some Jeffrey Sachs, some Michael Pollan, a little bit of globalization needs to promote social justice. Ed can skip the first 74 paragraphs and just move on to #75 because it's the only one he cares about. |
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jul 10, 2009 9:44:31 GMT -5
Dionne is a nutjob liberal posing as a Catholic but one who rejects Catholic beliefs unless they fit his liberal beliefs. He jumps onto things the Pope says that he agrees with and fights against those he disagrees with. Would he ever publish a positive column when the Pope addresses life issues? Just so you know, Dionne is also a professor at Georgetown. I took his Religion and Politics class, which was very insightful. He most definitely is Catholic, but does question a few things. His priorities on the issues may not be the same as yours. Must all Catholics have the same priorities? I definitely would not call him a nutjob liberal. Please remove this ad hominem attack. |
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Post by Boz on Jul 10, 2009 9:47:01 GMT -5
Liberal nutjob or no, he is, however, almost always wrong. At least in his WP columns. This is fairly well documented (in my mind and other encyclopedic repositories of knowledge).  |
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Post by Bando on Jul 10, 2009 10:21:38 GMT -5
Dionne is a nutjob liberal posing as a Catholic but one who rejects Catholic beliefs unless they fit his liberal beliefs. He jumps onto things the Pope says that he agrees with and fights against those he disagrees with. Would he ever publish a positive column when the Pope addresses life issues? Just so you know, Dionne is also a professor at Georgetown. I took his Religion and Politics class, which was very insightful. He most definitely is Catholic, but does question a few things. His priorities on the issues may not be the same as yours. Must all Catholics have the same priorities? I definitely would not call him a nutjob liberal. Please remove this ad hominem attack. Nice Ed Stimes reference. |
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 10, 2009 15:27:34 GMT -5
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Post by sead43 on Jul 13, 2009 12:55:30 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Jul 13, 2009 14:10:25 GMT -5
This is a sober, measured and thoughtful piece.... It has no place on the Internet! |
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Post by TC on Jul 13, 2009 14:42:06 GMT -5
"But Catholics are obliged to take seriously the underlying provocation of the papal message — namely, that our present political alignments are not the only ones imaginable, and that truth may not be served by perfect ideological conformity."
So basically, RINOs are super. Charlie Crist for President - who's with me?
Douthat's piece....eh.... I'm not sure he even read the encyclical. Linking the despoiling of the environment to abortion? Where was that argument - someone point out the heading number to me if I missed it. I understand his overall argument, but this wasn't the document to make it on - a document which spends more than the lion's share talking about social justice really doesn't support his point about how issues should be given equal weight and bearing.
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