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Post by Elvado on Jun 16, 2009 14:55:01 GMT -5
we are about to experience State run TV. ABC has announced it will now serve as the house organ for President Obama's health care grab. Charlie Gibson will anchor from the White House and "town hall" meetings will air to "debate seriously" the issues.
Supreme Leader will not tolerate opposition; thus none is invited to participate.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 16, 2009 15:44:27 GMT -5
Fair and balanced.
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Post by Bando on Jun 16, 2009 15:57:32 GMT -5
So you favor an equally balanced newscast then, with a Republican response? Funny, I never would have though you two would be in favor of the Fairness Doctrine.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jun 16, 2009 18:04:38 GMT -5
we are about to experience State run TV. ABC has announced it will now serve as the house organ for President Obama's health care grab. Charlie Gibson will anchor from the White House and "town hall" meetings will air to "debate seriously" the issues. Supreme Leader will not tolerate opposition; thus none is invited to participate. Legitimate news source explaining this post, please.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 16, 2009 18:19:51 GMT -5
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Post by Bando on Jun 17, 2009 0:35:35 GMT -5
we are about to experience State run TV. ABC has announced it will now serve as the house organ for President Obama's health care grab. Charlie Gibson will anchor from the White House and "town hall" meetings will air to "debate seriously" the issues. Supreme Leader will not tolerate opposition; thus none is invited to participate. Legitimate news source explaining this post, please. Strummer, a news network is interviewing the President of the United States about one of his proposals. It's obviously Kristallnacht all over again.
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Post by Elvado on Jun 17, 2009 8:16:04 GMT -5
No one is likening this to Kristallnacht. However, the left's overreaction to the question tells me even they know this stinks from a standpoint of journalistic integrity (if such a thing actually exists).
I think it is brilliant from Obama's standpoint while repulsive behavior on the part of ABC. Rightly or wrongly, it raises the perception that ABC News has been co-opted by the White House.
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Post by theexorcist on Jun 17, 2009 8:52:49 GMT -5
Ok. First rule of internet message boards - Godwin's Law - No Nazis! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law My issue here is that the mainstream media doesn't have a heck of a lot of credibility covering Obama in an unbiased manner (on USA Today's site right now, there's a video that shows Obama killing a fly mid-interview with the wording "Video: Nice aim, Mr. President. A pesky fly interrupts a CNBC interview with the president, and undeterred, Obama smacks it dead on camera.") While the mainstream media may be dying out, it's not dead yet. A town hall that enables Obama to set the agenda on a very complex item is an awful, awful idea that questions most of the credibility of ABC. If ABC is meeting at the White House, that's not a fair locale for serious discussion of issues.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 17, 2009 10:40:06 GMT -5
This seems silly. How is this any different from a station broadcasting one of obama's speeches or the state of the union? Obama shouldn't be allowed to present his view on healthcare?
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Post by Elvado on Jun 17, 2009 10:51:06 GMT -5
The difference is that ABC is setting up shop in the White House with Chuckles Gibson anchoring out of the East Room. Meanwhile, the town hall forum excludes any formal Republican participation. Sorry, this one stinks.
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Post by Jack on Jun 17, 2009 11:00:21 GMT -5
You really don't think ABC would have killed for that type of exclusive access to a major policy discussion with W, at least in his first year in office? Just because Obama chooses to use the press this way doesn't mean there is something nefarious afoot.
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Post by Elvado on Jun 17, 2009 11:10:30 GMT -5
We'll have to agree to disagree here. As I have pointed out, this is political genius from Obama. However, it is further evidence of the mainstream media's inability to objectively cover politics. It simply looks inappropriate for a network to purport to cover this issue while physically set up in the White House. Couple Chuckles Gibson's known political leanings with the physical set-up and you have an infomercial.
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Post by Boz on Jun 17, 2009 11:24:04 GMT -5
I wonder if Jake Tapper will be allowed to ask any questions?
Obama can do what he wants regarding speechifying. He's got a lot of convincing to do and not a lot of ammunition to do it with. The idea that the country "is in the right moment for change" is not going to be enough to enact something this monumental.
I await to see if he can answer:
A) how he is going to pay for this (since neither he nor his HHS Secretary nor Congress have been able to answer that one yet);
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B) why this is actually "better" (since the AMA doesn't seem all that convinced, and a lot of MDs I know are not exactly fans of the status quo).
As for the media, whatever. This comes as a shock to no one. As Larry Elder said earier, when even people like Bill Moyers and Bill Maher are complaining that the media coverage is too fawning then you know it's really fawning.
I am no advocate of anything even resembling the Fairness Doctrine, but there are some people out there with good alternative ideas, and I hope a network other than Fox News will give someone like Paul Ryan a chance for rebuttal. No, they should never be forced to, never ever EVER, but if they want to have any credibility, it's something they should do.
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Post by Buckets on Jun 17, 2009 12:03:30 GMT -5
I await to see if he can answer: A) how he is going to pay for this (since neither he nor his HHS Secretary nor Congress have been able to answer that one yet); and B) why this is actually "better" (since the AMA doesn't seem all that convinced, and a lot of MDs I know are not exactly fans of the status quo). Me too. And I think the town hall format in this instance is more informative than debating something that hasn't even been fully explained yet. There will be plenty of time on television and the internet to debate later what he says and does not say. As for commenting on ABC's fawning coverage during this broadcast where no opposing viewpoints will be allowed presented, I missed the crystal ball handout and will thus be forced to wait until next Wednesday to have an opinion on this one. You really don't think ABC would have killed for that type of exclusive access to a major policy discussion with W, at least in his first year in office? Just because Obama chooses to use the press this way doesn't mean there is something nefarious afoot. I'll be interested to see if anyone actually answers this one.
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Post by theexorcist on Jun 17, 2009 12:53:50 GMT -5
I await to see if he can answer: A) how he is going to pay for this (since neither he nor his HHS Secretary nor Congress have been able to answer that one yet); and B) why this is actually "better" (since the AMA doesn't seem all that convinced, and a lot of MDs I know are not exactly fans of the status quo). Me too. And I think the town hall format in this instance is more informative than debating something that hasn't even been fully explained yet. There will be plenty of time on television and the internet to debate later what he says and does not say. As for commenting on ABC's fawning coverage during this broadcast where no opposing viewpoints will be allowed presented, I missed the crystal ball handout and will thus be forced to wait until next Wednesday to have an opinion on this one. You really don't think ABC would have killed for that type of exclusive access to a major policy discussion with W, at least in his first year in office? Just because Obama chooses to use the press this way doesn't mean there is something nefarious afoot. I'll be interested to see if anyone actually answers this one. I'll bite. If, during the runup to the Iraq War, ABC had been proposed a "town hall" on solutions to the Iraq WMD issue, people would have gone BALLISTIC. It would not have been fair or balanced and ABC would have been under enormous pressure to turn it down. Health care is no different. Obama has his own proposal that he likes and others don't. Choosing one proposal or the other has the potential to impact thousands, if not millions, of lives.
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Post by TC on Jun 17, 2009 13:01:02 GMT -5
Iraq War, Health Care Proposal, sure no difference at all there.
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Post by Elvado on Jun 17, 2009 13:06:23 GMT -5
One difference is that no network ever volunteered to be the house band for the Iraq War debate. ABC is acting as a cheerleader on this one and it stinks.
Let me repeat myself on this point: It is brilliant politically for the President. He has a major network willing to act on his behalf. He'd be crazy not to accept it. There is no fault for the President in this one.
ABC on the other hand...
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Post by Boz on Jun 17, 2009 13:15:00 GMT -5
Iraq War, Health Care Proposal, sure no difference at all there. True. If the health care proposal is as ill-conceived as many of it's critics say it is, it could be a lot more expensive and cost a lot more American lives than the Iraq war.
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Post by The Stig on Jun 17, 2009 13:16:44 GMT -5
One difference is that no network ever volunteered to be the house band for the Iraq War debate. ABC is acting as a cheerleader on this one and it stinks. Let me repeat myself on this point: It is brilliant politically for the President. He has a major network willing to act on his behalf. He'd be crazy not to accept it. There is no fault for the President in this one. ABC on the other hand... Erm, every network was the house band for the Iraq War. That was the entire point of the embedded reporter program. You make the reporter dependent on the soldiers for their life, and suddenly any criticism of the war or its conduct goes out the window. I think it's pretty silly to call one network's actions state-run TV. In state-run TV there's no room for dissenting views. In this case, even if ABC sells their souls to Obama (which I don't think they're doing), you still have NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, and Fox to rip them a new one over it.
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Post by TC on Jun 17, 2009 13:17:13 GMT -5
One difference is that no network ever volunteered to be the house band for the Iraq War debate. ABC is acting as a cheerleader on this one and it stinks. No Elvado, the difference is that one was an invasion of a country and the other is a health care plan to compete with private insurers. If Bush had wanted this kind of coverage on No Child Left Behind, his Medicare plan, or his plans for Social Security, he could have gotten it.
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